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[dkw]

Dutch left back patrick van aanholt has gone to coventry on loan until january. be interesting to see how he does, looked a good propsepct in the ressies at times, and i seem to remember hes been on the first team bench once or twice. cov are on sky on sunday i think so we might get to see him then.

Edited by dkw, 07 August 2009 - 12:11 PM.

[midlandblue]

how many is that now?

Is there a definate programe for all this? or are we simply geeting as much playing time for fringe and youth players?

I cant help but feel that there is a clearance of sorts taking place.

[dkw]

midlandblue, on Aug 7 2009, 13:15 PM, said:

how many is that now?

Is there a definate programe for all this? or are we simply geeting as much playing time for fringe and youth players?

I cant help but feel that there is a clearance of sorts taking place.

why exactly? this is pretty much what every top team has done for years. its the first time in a long time we have decent young players to send out on loan, i dont see why this has to mean we are getting rid of them. nice pessemism though....

[midlandblue]

It's not pessimism, it's an opinion, made on my obsercations of recent sales and laon deals with regards to the fringe and youth players.

Is that ok?

[dkw]

midlandblue, on Aug 7 2009, 16:17 PM, said:

It's not pessimism, it's an opinion, made on my obsercations of recent sales and laon deals with regards to the fringe and youth players.

Is that ok?

not really no. bigger clubs have loaned young players down the league for as long as i can remember, yet we do it and suddenly it means were having a clear out? i dont really understand why you thought that.

[geezer]

JT went on loan once

[dkw]

geezer, on Aug 7 2009, 18:39 PM, said:

JT went on loan once

did we sell him?

[geezer]

dkw, on Aug 7 2009, 19:25 PM, said:

did we sell him?

Dunno. Not really sure what became of him. I had high hopes for him at one time, even thought he'd be good enough to captain England if he kept his focus.

[rahul]

When we're loaning out our youngsters we're simply saying...look, kid, we know you got talent but we're not sure. You ain't no Messi to get into our first team right away. Show us what you got in the Prem and Championship or after a couple more chances its good bye.

[dkw]

for anyone interested, van aanholt starts for cov today and its live on sky.

[PloKoon13]

I just watched Coventry - Ipswich on SS2, and Van Aanholt was very convincing. Quick, good in the air and some good decision making under pressure. He might have to work on his distribution a bit, but I was very pleased with what I saw. One of the better players on the pitch.

[loz]

The match report on 5 live described him as having a very good game and showing signs of being an exceptional talent.

[blizeH]

Yeah, I enjoyed watching him play for Coventry earlier a lot more than I'm enjoying this match now...

[Tea Bar Boy]

dkw, on Aug 7 2009, 19:25 PM, said:

did we sell him?

Yes to Steve Bruce at Huddersfield for £800,000 .................then Ken Bates changed his mind and pulled the deal . Good old Ken

[midlandblue]

dkw, on Aug 7 2009, 16:50 PM, said:

not really no. bigger clubs have loaned young players down the league for as long as i can remember, yet we do it and suddenly it means were having a clear out? i dont really understand why you thought that.

"Not really no".

Are you having a laugh. It's my opinion, and one that does not need your approval.

Edited by midlandblue, 10 August 2009 - 12:21 PM.

[dkw]

midlandblue, on Aug 10 2009, 13:20 PM, said:

"Not really no".

Are you having a laugh. It's my opinion, and one that does not need your approval.

all clubs send young players on loan all the time, its to get them experience. or are all clubs having mass clear outs then...

[midlandblue]

mass clear out? who suggested such a thing?

My point is this, finally, we have sold/sent out more young fringe players than previous years (not considering any other club in my post).

and the question was/is........."is there a definate programe". which does not dismiss the possibility that they have been sold/loaned for other reasons than a clear out.

[dkw]

midlandblue, on Aug 10 2009, 15:48 PM, said:

mass clear out? who suggested such a thing?

My point is this, finally, we have sold/sent out more young fringe players than previous years (not considering any other club in my post).

and the question was/is........."is there a definate programe". which does not dismiss the possibility that they have been sold/loaned for other reasons than a clear out.

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I cant help but feel that there is a clearance of sorts taking place.

[TomP]

midlandblue, on Aug 11 2009, 00:48 AM, said:

and the question was/is........."is there a definate programe".

I think there IS a definate programme going on here.

We have invested a serious amount of money in youth development since Roman arrived, and we are yet to have any kind of return on this investment.

One of the main reasons for this is that it is (in my opinion) IMPOSSIBLE for players like Van Arnhold, Sinclair, Stoch or anyone else to make the jump directly from reserve football to Premiership/Champion's League. The difference in the standard of football is much too big. Our managers of the last few seasons have shown that they would rather play experienced players out of position than take a gamble on youngsters from the reserves.

For these youngsters, playing reserve football and a few minutes in the Carling Cup is never going to produce players who are in any way shape or form ready for the Chelsea first team.

I think the new policy is to loan out any player who is showing a bit of promise. In previous years, we have only loaned out the very best and kept the rest in the reserves. This season it looks like everyone is being farmed out.

I think this is the best way to go. Let's see what these youngsters can do under the pressure of real match conditions. Thats the easiest way to work out whether they are ever going to be good enough to be part of the first team setup.

What we have to remember is that the vast majority of the players we loan out won't make it. But at least if they do reasonably well on loan, it puts them in the shop window. We might be able to sell them and get a bit of return on our investment, rather than releasing players on a free like we have in the past.

[midlandblue]

TomP,

I think your observations may prove to be correct. Lokking at it logically, I suppose it makes sense to send them out in order to have a look at how they perform week in week out in real playing conditions.