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[geezer]

midlandblue, on Aug 13 2009, 10:23 AM, said:

TomP,

I think your observations may prove to be correct. Lokking at it logically, I suppose it makes sense to send them out in order to have a look at how they perform week in week out in real playing conditions.

Very true. Even Man Utd loaned out a certain David Beckham before he broke through the ranks. Don't think he ever made it though

[mad_mac]

So we have Stoch, Van Aarnholt, Sinclair, Sahar (or is he officially sold?), Di Santo and Mellis all out on loan, and all players that were close to making the first team (well, they'd played a few games here and there, and made the bench).

I think this is a perfect opportunity for our ressie coaches to keep an eye on them, and I'm sure there will be scouts, and even Arnesen at a few of their matches too, in order to see how they'll perform.

It wouldn't suprise me to see Hutchinson loaned out too. What I do like, is that a lot of these loans seem to be until January only. If they go away, perform well, we have the ACN coming up, then we could recall one or two and then extend the rest till the end of the season before we make any kind of permanent decision

Scott

[mad_mac]

Add Lee Sawyer, Mancienne, and Bertrand to the mix, and I realise now that Sahar has gone officially.

Edited by mad_mac, 14 August 2009 - 05:59 PM.

[just]

geezer, on Aug 7 2009, 18:39 PM, said:

JT went on loan once

Totally different era Geezer. Totally different set of priorities now. If JT was a young lad coming through the ranks the now, in the Abramovich era, he would never get the chance to stake a claim for a regular first team place.

Never in a million years.

[TomP]

just, on Aug 15 2009, 07:45 AM, said:

Totally different era Geezer. Totally different set of priorities now. If JT was a young lad coming through the ranks the now, in the Abramovich era, he would never get the chance to stake a claim for a regular first team place.

Never in a million years.

I think your being a bit pessimistic, just.

I think the reason that we have't developed any youngsters since JT is that we haven't had anyone anywhere near his quality come through the youth system in the last 5 years.

If JT was coming through the ranks now, he would have a harder time - no question. He would probably have to go through several loan spells at places like Blackburn or Wolves before getting a shot at the first team. But I think the cream rises to the top, and if he did well on loan, then he would be brought back to Chelsea, and would get a shot at the first team.

Take Mancienne - if he is a nailed on starter for Wolves this season and sures up their defence (lets say he makes the same impression that Hangeland did a Fulham last season), then I have no doubts that we will make room in the squad for him next season, and he will get his chance.

But - if he has a mediocre season for Wolves, and can't hold down a starting place, then he doesn't deserve a chance.

Yes - the bar is now higher for youth players, but I have no doubts that if any of these youngsters out on loan at the moment are JT-standard, then they will make it. Unfortunately for the rest of the youngsters who will never be JT-class, they won't get a shot at the first team. Maybe 10 years ago, they might have, but that is the price of our success if you ask me.

[dkw]

TomP, on Aug 15 2009, 04:46 AM, said:

I think your being a bit pessimistic, just.

I think the reason that we have't developed any youngsters since JT is that we haven't had anyone anywhere near his quality come through the youth system in the last 5 years.

If JT was coming through the ranks now, he would have a harder time - no question. He would probably have to go through several loan spells at places like Blackburn or Wolves before getting a shot at the first team. But I think the cream rises to the top, and if he did well on loan, then he would be brought back to Chelsea, and would get a shot at the first team.

Take Mancienne - if he is a nailed on starter for Wolves this season and sures up their defence (lets say he makes the same impression that Hangeland did a Fulham last season), then I have no doubts that we will make room in the squad for him next season, and he will get his chance.

But - if he has a mediocre season for Wolves, and can't hold down a starting place, then he doesn't deserve a chance.

Yes - the bar is now higher for youth players, but I have no doubts that if any of these youngsters out on loan at the moment are JT-standard, then they will make it. Unfortunately for the rest of the youngsters who will never be JT-class, they won't get a shot at the first team. Maybe 10 years ago, they might have, but that is the price of our success if you ask me.

very well said Tomp, thats pretty much my thoughts on the situation. the main reason we havent had any players through for our youth set up is their simply hasnt been any good enough.

[ivorycoast]

How can we know if they are good enough if they never get a chance to play in the first team??

Like everyone here at this website, I wish for one of the young lads to come on and play great. But the problem is whenever we take off drogba and put on di santo, AS SOON AS THE young player comes on, chelsea stops attacking and seems happy to just relax and not create any chances.

It's very frustrating.

[geezer]

TomP, on Aug 15 2009, 04:46 AM, said:

I think your being a bit pessimistic, just.

I think the reason that we have't developed any youngsters since JT is that we haven't had anyone anywhere near his quality come through the youth system in the last 5 years.

If JT was coming through the ranks now, he would have a harder time - no question. He would probably have to go through several loan spells at places like Blackburn or Wolves before getting a shot at the first team. But I think the cream rises to the top, and if he did well on loan, then he would be brought back to Chelsea, and would get a shot at the first team.

Take Mancienne - if he is a nailed on starter for Wolves this season and sures up their defence (lets say he makes the same impression that Hangeland did a Fulham last season), then I have no doubts that we will make room in the squad for him next season, and he will get his chance.

But - if he has a mediocre season for Wolves, and can't hold down a starting place, then he doesn't deserve a chance.

Yes - the bar is now higher for youth players, but I have no doubts that if any of these youngsters out on loan at the moment are JT-standard, then they will make it. Unfortunately for the rest of the youngsters who will never be JT-class, they won't get a shot at the first team. Maybe 10 years ago, they might have, but that is the price of our success if you ask me.

Took the words right out of my mouth TomP