[Maximus]

Here is arsenals polite reply to Barca C***ts

I hope we will be able to keep him for a couple of years.

[dkw]

Maximus, on Jun 3 2010, 08:00 AM, said:

Here is arsenals polite reply to Barca C***ts

I hope we will be able to keep him for a couple of years.

Theres no chance he will be there next season, or if he is he certainly wont play anywhere near his best. You only need to look in your recent history and see how Henry and Adebayor performed after saying they wanted to leave. Its brinkmanship, making sure they get the best money for him. Though to hold him against him wanting to go to Barca after the way you got him in the first place is a bit out of order.

[Maximus]

'The way' we signed him???!!!!.Arsenal used a loop hole in the transfer policy in Spain to sign a 16 year old fabregas. I dont see any thing wrong or illegal with that since his family and he himself took the decision to join us - and to this day they are thankful to arsenal for that. Barca were furious, that i can understand but Its not a child trafficking case as you ( or Platini) would suggest.
Btw, henry's last season, whenever he was on the pitch he was our best player and we got a decent return if you consider goal/game ratio. He had an off season, not because of the lack of commitment. I wouldnt expect cesc to be an adebayour, he is 22 and has time to achieve a lot. IMO, staying at arsenal for a couple of years wouldnt do anything bad to his career.

[Maximus]

The statement from arsenal.com reads
"...To be clear, we will not make any kind of counterproposal or enter into any discussion. Barcelona have publicly stated that they will respect our position and we expect that they will keep their word."

Dont you think those words are a bit strong for brinkmanship game? or is it just me?

[dkw]

Maximus, on Jun 3 2010, 12:01 PM, said:

The statement from arsenal.com reads
"...To be clear, we will not make any kind of counterproposal or enter into any discussion. Barcelona have publicly stated that they will respect our position and we expect that they will keep their word."

Dont you think those words are a bit strong for brinkmanship game? or is it just me?

Yes, pretty much. Considering the way Fabregas has played for you and has been a good pro do you not think it a bit morally wrong to hold him to a contract he doesnt want, with him wanting to leave to go to his boyhood club near his home? And how arsenal signed might while not legally wrong was hardly fair now was it.

[Maximus]

As i said the fabregas to arsenal was legal mutual agreement , was it unfair on barca? may be but isnt it because of the footballing laws on spain? were you shedding any tears for Lille when kakuta transfer happend?
And I dont think its 'immoral' to hold fabregas for one or two years against his wishes (arguably, because the player has stated a number of times that he respect arsenal and the contract he have with the club) considering the devolopement he had with us. Infact i think it would be a bit unfair from cesc if he put on a transfer request now.

[Alex]

Maximus, on Jun 3 2010, 11:53 AM, said:

'The way' we signed him???!!!!.Arsenal used a loop hole in the transfer policy in Spain to sign a 16 year old fabregas. I dont see any thing wrong or illegal with that since his family and he himself took the decision to join us - and to this day they are thankful to arsenal for that. Barca were furious, that i can understand but Its not a child trafficking case as you ( or Platini) would suggest.
Btw, henry's last season, whenever he was on the pitch he was our best player and we got a decent return if you consider goal/game ratio. He had an off season, not because of the lack of commitment. I wouldnt expect cesc to be an adebayour, he is 22 and has time to achieve a lot. IMO, staying at arsenal for a couple of years wouldnt do anything bad to his career.

That isnt the point though. He clearly doesnt want to stay. Whether or not his efforts will be reduced at arsenal is up for debate so the effect it would have on his game at arsenal is unclear. But he clearly wants to go. Incidentally he probably wouldnt do anything bad to his career staying at arsenal, but moving to Barcelona would probably make him a better player in my opinion. He would be playing in a midfield with Iniesta, Xavi and co. Granted the players in arsenals midfield are't exactly bad players, but he would surely improve as a player playing alongside those kinds of players.

[Zola]

I think he does have Arsenal in his heart to some degree to be honest.

Although it would be difficult to not get fed up with the lack of success and balls that Arsenal have.

[dkw]

Zola, on Jun 3 2010, 13:58 PM, said:

I think he does have Arsenal in his heart to some degree to be honest.

Although it would be difficult to not get fed up with the lack of success and balls that Arsenal have.

my guess is he was given promises when he signed his latest contract along the lines of the club backing his ambition, brining in players to win things. They havent and wont win anything next season without several signings, which wenger clearly wont do. So he wants to go to a club where he acn win things, and barca are in his heart as much as the arse so its a perfect move for him.

[TheWestwayWonder]

Think this one is getting to the point of inevitablity. Fabregas will be with Villa, Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Pique, Valdes and future teammate Torres, and I am sure they will all be saying the same sweet nothings to him, talking up life at Barca, etc.

I think Wenger knows he can groom someone like Ramsey to fill Fabregas's role in the team, though he will surely leave a giant hole in the squad when he leaves. Getting 40-50 million for him will help, though.

Maximus, on Jun 3 2010, 08:30 AM, said:

As i said the fabregas to arsenal was legal mutual agreement , was it unfair on barca? may be but isnt it because of the footballing laws on spain? were you shedding any tears for Lille when kakuta transfer happend?
And I dont think its 'immoral' to hold fabregas for one or two years against his wishes (arguably, because the player has stated a number of times that he respect arsenal and the contract he have with the club) considering the devolopement he had with us. Infact i think it would be a bit unfair from cesc if he put on a transfer request now.

No, there was nothing illegal about it, and it was much the same as the Kakuta situation, but the fact remains that we were tarred with a transfer ban, and you guys essentially got away scot free for doing exactly the same thing. You even got sued by Barca over Fran Merida, and still managed to avoid any legal troubles. While it may all be legally right, I dont think its good that these loopholes exist in general. Same goes for Chelsea and Taiwo, Woods, Kakuta or whoever. If clubs want to get youth players, it should be done strictly through the club they train with, and we can do away with all these messy legal minefields. I dont think its right that continental teams lose players to certain clubs because of their own national laws, but nor do I think one club should be singled out for it. If its gonna be stopped, the authorities should stop it across the board, or just not say anything.

All that makes this whole thing a chicken and egg scenario for me. Barca are doing something to Arsenal which Arsenal have been accused of doing many times. Applying leverage and using their name to woo a target. Only difference is Barca will get a developed, world class player, and it will cost them an arm and a leg to do it. And that, since theyre big Spanish clubs, not a finger will be lifted against them no matter what they do or say.

[TheWestwayWonder]

dkw, on May 31 2010, 09:04 AM, said:

Everton have signed Beckford on a 4 year contract, yes you heard that right a 4 year contract. f**king hell, his agent must be a genius.

Holy hell, he must be making next to nothing. Why else would a fiscally prudent team like Everton give that to a player unproven beyond league one

[Virosh]

Fabregas will go. If a player wants to leave his club, a contract won't really stop him. If Arsenal play it smart, they can up the price to, say, 45-50 mln, but that's about all they can do.

[icecoolguy22]

Farb will go, just a matter of when. Keep an unhappy player for another year will not do the team any his individual performance any good. As long as he doesn't sign a new contract, his value will go down by around 7-10 Millions every year. The only chance Wenger can keep him is by spending 100M in the transfer market, and convince him to give it another go, and that is still a big IF.

[Castiel]

Is this Fabregas thing over now? http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/a...er-for-fabregas

The whole thing is funny really with Arsenal somehow weakening themselves further, but then I remember we're destined by UEFA laws to always meet Barca in the Champions League.

[Maximus]

Fabregas can be replaced. The danger is wenger will not go outside and buy enough reinforcement, instead he may look for ramsey/nasri to fill the void which is a big ask.

[The Moos]

Some reports are saying that Chelsea might be interested in Diego and Schweinsteiger.

Might not be much truth in the rumours.
Though Schweinsteiger could be a good replacement for Joey who seem to be going to Arsenal (hope it's not true).
And if it's true that we're looking at Kaka then Diego would be a cheaper choice. He has loads of skills even if he hasn't shown it at Juventus. Juve want to sell him so a deal can't be too hard to make.

[Ruh Buh Juh]

Maximus, on 05 June 2010 - 02:45 PM, said:

Fabregas can be replaced. The danger is wenger will not go outside and buy enough reinforcement, instead he may look for ramsey/nasri to fill the void which is a big ask.

It's a big ask, but Ramsey is, what, 19? For his age, he's a phenomenal player with incredible talent, he can be just as good as Fabregas in a few years.

EDIT: I'm liking this Diego link. I wanted us to sign him before he signed for Juve, now's our chance!

This post has been edited by Ruh Buh Juh: 08 June 2010 - 12:37 AM

[Katon]

If Carlo wants to try and get the diamond working next year then Diego would make a lot of sense - he's as good a candidate for the tip as we're likely to be able to buy.

Hard to see what the point would be in a 4-3-3 variant, though.

[The Moos]

Katon, on 08 June 2010 - 01:20 AM, said:

If Carlo wants to try and get the diamond working next year then Diego would make a lot of sense - he's as good a candidate for the tip as we're likely to be able to buy.

Hard to see what the point would be in a 4-3-3 variant, though.

I agree, but on the other hand I can't see why Carlo would want to try the diamond again. It really didn't work for us did it? The 4-3-3 turned out to be great however. No point changing something that works so well.

[dkw]

The Moos, on 08 June 2010 - 12:05 AM, said:

Some reports are saying that Chelsea might be interested in Diego and Schweinsteiger.

Might not be much truth in the rumours.
Though Schweinsteiger could be a good replacement for Joey who seem to be going to Arsenal (hope it's not true).
And if it's true that we're looking at Kaka then Diego would be a cheaper choice. He has loads of skills even if he hasn't shown it at Juventus. Juve want to sell him so a deal can't be too hard to make.

I would have thought Diego is more a replacement for Joey than Schweinsteiger, the german (cant be arsed typing his name all day) always seemed more like an Essien type player to me. Didnt we try and get Diego when he went to Juve?