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[secbastia]

the special one .... No doubt about it, but Carlo is not far off. The worst, well take your pick. It is all about winning trophies and both have done that.

[moi]

NOOOOOO!! Tommy Docherty! BlueBeard will confirm!

Edited by moi, 05 November 2010 - 05:54 PM.

[BlueBeard]

Tommy Docherty was easily the greatest manager Chelsea have had, in my opinion. Took over from Ted Drake when we were struggling in 61/62, but couldn't keep us up. Bringing through youth players the following season we got promoted at the first attempt. Docherty continued bringing through youngsters, and brought excitement to the Bridge, changing our strip along the way from blue/white to all blue.

1962/63 - finished 2nd in Division 2
1963/64 - finished 5th in Division 1
1964/65 - finished 3rd in Division 1, won the League Cup, reached the FA Cup semi-final
1965/66 - finished 5th in Division 1, reached the FA Cup semi-final, reached the Fairs Cup (UEFA Cup) semi-final
1966/67 - finished 9th in Division 1, reached the FA Cup final for only the 2nd time in our history

He obviously had a few problems along the way, not always his own fault, but his personality and character were overshadowed only by his footballing intelligence.


That's not taking anything away from Mourinho, who was also brilliant, and would probably have been our best ever had he stayed longer.

[Bobbywoodhogan]

I can only comment on the manager's I have seen in my lifetime

Glen Hoddle

I liked him at the time but when he took the England job I just couldn't stand him, he started something that layed the foundations for what was to come

Ruud Guillit

I loved Ruud and was gutted when he left, obviously later I realised it was the right decision but he took us so far and introduced so many great players (Zola been the best) that I will always have great respect for him

Gianluca Vialli

Was my favourite manager for a long time brough us so many Trophies and took us closest to the top (pre-Abramovich), so many great memories under him

Claudio Ranieri

I never liked Ranieri mainly because I loved Vialli and he took over from him but he just used to do so much stupid crap it used to wind me up. Of course there were some great memories under him but I just never took to him

Jose Mourinho

In my opinion the best manager we've had, the Chelsea side he led to the title in 2004/05 is the best Chelsea side we've had (95 points), also back to back titles, two league cups, an FA Cup and a shield just an incredible period for me. Loved the way he was aswell infront of the cameras etc. No one will ever have the same impact on me as Jose did, I hated it when he left but looking back I could see it was right

Luiz Felipe Scolari

I was really happy when he got the job and I actually liked him as a person came across as a very nice guy in his interviews but even when the season started well under him I knew something wasn't right and when he went I was very glad

Guus Hiddink

He was only manager for a short time but he got us on the right track, came through an emotional injustice in the Champions League with us and brought us the FA Cup to put something nice on the end of what had been a poor season for us. I so wanted him to get the Chelsea job but obviously he had commitments elsewhere, welcome back if Carlo leaves in my opinion

Carlo Ancelotti

When we first announced him I thought he was a disaster waiting to happen, BUT he has brough us our first ever league and cup double and a shield in his first season. He proved me wrong we have been entertaining under him and I still wasn't sold on him as a person until I read his book (the guy is hilarious) and I hope he stays for many years to come.

So I only wanted to say who my favourite was from when I watched because anything pre 1995 I never watched live and endured the roller coaster ride under different managers to yes Jose is still my favourite and to be honest I don't ever see that changing. Winning that title in 2005 is probably my happiest moment as a Chelsea fan cause it had been such a long time coming (and thats from a guy who had only supported them 10 years by then).

[Mod]

psst, there is someone missing off the recent list there Bob! Don't let Chippy see that.

[Bobbywoodhogan]

Mod, on 05 November 2010 - 07:24 PM, said:

psst, there is someone missing off the recent list there Bob! Don't let Chippy see that.

Yeah but I don't include Avram Grant as far as I'm concerned he did nothing but was carried by the players, I left him off on purpose

[Chippy]

Mod, on 05 November 2010 - 07:24 PM, said:

psst, there is someone missing off the recent list there Bob! Don't let Chippy see that.

Again you remind me that the man who got us to our only CL final gets little or no credit and I'm happy enough to be alone in my belief that he done a bloody good job while he was here.

Best Manager? obviously not but a big part of our history that deserves more respect? for sure, funny how the players done it all under him but couldn't do it under Phil but the argument will always end up badly for Avi because he came in after Mourinho, I could easily go on to add the that he came closer to winning the title with the same squad as Mourinho had the year before as well as reaching two other finals in his season in fact I just have but his unfasionable appearance was never going to win over some fans whatever he achieved.

Maybe the man that won more in his first season than Jose if he repeats it this season will get the credit he deserves? till then for the record Gullit was my favourite followed by the short reign of Eddie.

Edited by Chippy, 05 November 2010 - 09:16 PM.

[secbastia]

dave sexton , one of the most memorable nights in Chelseas history , you was there bluebeard it was a magigal nmight

[secbastia]

sorry i have just come of a local bar

[moi]

secbastia, on 05 November 2010 - 11:10 PM, said:

sorry i have just come of a local bar

Are you apologising for having fallen off the roof of a local bar? Or are you saying you regret having come off the roof of the local bar?

[BlueBeard]

secbastia, on 05 November 2010 - 11:09 PM, said:

dave sexton , one of the most memorable nights in Chelseas history , you was there bluebeard it was a magigal nmight

I was there indeed, and took huge pleasure in watching Dave Sexton's Chelsea win the FA Cup for the first time - with Tommy Docherty's team

[secbastia]

i will have nightmares about , tommy boyd, graham wilkins, winston bogarde, ed de goey, and mark falco

[secbastia]

now i think you are extracting the urine, you have to go on results my old son. For example when the arsenal won the double in 71 it was bertie mee who won it but others say it was howe etc who built the team

[Chippy]

Strange thing with Sexton..under him Chelsea gave me some of my best football memories unyet because of him the good times dryed up for a long time.

[loz]

secbastia, on 05 November 2010 - 11:24 PM, said:

i will have nightmares about , tommy boyd, graham wilkins, winston bogarde, ed de goey, and mark falco

Falco is a bit of a ridiculous name on that list as he probably played less than 200 minutes for our first team! De goey certainly doesn't deserve to be on the list. Not only did he help us win silverware he, on a personal level, was superb in the 1999/00 season.

[BlueBeard]

secbastia, on 05 November 2010 - 11:30 PM, said:

now i think you are extracting the urine, you have to go on results my old son. For example when the arsenal won the double in 71 it was bertie mee who won it but others say it was howe etc who built the team

As I've mentioned elsewhere, only three of that team were Sexton signings - Dempsey, Webb & Hutchinson. The rest of that side were Docherty's team.

Don't get me wrong, Dave Sexton made some great signings in his time, but he also broke up the best side we'd ever had simply because he couldn't handle them. Getting rid of Osgood, Hudson & Cooke was bad enough, but strpping Ron Harris of the captaincy was something else. He brought in Kember, Garland and Garner, who did a decent job but just weren't good enough, made Johnny Hollins captain which didn't work at all, then made Eddie Mac the skipper.

Dave Sexton single-handedly destroyed the best side we'd ever had, simply because he didn't know how to deal with individual players - his man-management skills were non-existent.

[secbastia]

mark falco 200 minutes, he was booed everytime he got the ball and never looked like scoring, even Fleck was better oh and he was loaned from Spurs, ed was brilliant at first and then you used to be wary when the ball was in the box, in short he lost it !

[bluegraham]

[quote name='BlueBeard' timestamp='1288981508' post='326519']
Tommy Docherty was easily the greatest manager Chelsea have had, in my opinion. Took over from Ted Drake when we were struggling in 61/62, but couldn't keep us up. Bringing through youth players the following season we got promoted at the first attempt. Docherty continued bringing through youngsters, and brought excitement to the Bridge, changing our strip along the way from blue/white to all blue.

1962/63 - finished 2nd in Division 2
1963/64 - finished 5th in Division 1
1964/65 - finished 3rd in Division 1, won the League Cup, reached the FA Cup semi-final
1965/66 - finished 5th in Division 1, reached the FA Cup semi-final, reached the Fairs Cup (UEFA Cup) semi-final
1966/67 - finished 9th in Division 1, reached the FA Cup final for only the 2nd time in our history

He obviously had a few problems along the way, not always his own fault, but his personality and character were overshadowed only by his footballing intelligence.


That's not taking anything away from Mourinho, who was also brilliant, and would probably have been our best ever had he stayed longer.
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not old enough to remember the doc but i do agree with you steve,alot of young local talent in that team wish i was around to see it. would have been interesting if eddie mcgreadie got he's car that team could have been great. gleen hoodle started the revoulation at the bridge. jose done the business but he had the money. carlo should be judged when he's carrer at chelsea comes to an end hopefully not for a long time. im with bluebeard what a team full of talend dochertys diamonds gets my vote.

[secbastia]

if mccreadie had got his motor it would not made a lot of difference as i think those players were over hyped, as for Glenn it was unbelievable that we were now PASSING the ball out of defence instead of hoofing it out. Under the doc we could not handle the big occasion and some of the tactics ie 67 final, and to much reliance on one player in 66 67

[BlueBeard]

secbastia, on 06 November 2010 - 12:25 PM, said:

if mccreadie had got his motor it would not made a lot of difference as i think those players were over hyped, as for Glenn it was unbelievable that we were now PASSING the ball out of defence instead of hoofing it out. Under the doc we could not handle the big occasion and some of the tactics ie 67 final, and to much reliance on one player in 66 67

I take it you're referring to Peter Osgood who missed most of the season after Emlyn 'C*ntface' Hughes broke his leg. Tony Hateley was certainly no replacement!

The Chelsea side in 66/67 was possibly our weakest since our return to Division 1. We'd lost Terry Venables, George Graham, Barry Bridges and Bert Murray which Docherty has to take at least partial blame for, plus Ken Shellito had retired due to injury. To be fair to The Doc though, he brought in Charlie Cooke to replace Venables, and got Baldwin for Graham.