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[icecoolguy22]

One over achieving season, one under achieving, cancel each other out, he has done OK.  We are fast becoming a circus (if we are not there already) with our antics. If Roman wants long term success, balance the book, and promote youth through the ranks, he has to cut the manager a bit of slack and show some patience.

[Zeta Orionis]

icecoolguy22, on 11 May 2011 - 03:50 AM, said:

One over achieving season, one under achieving, cancel each other out, he has done OK.  We are fast becoming a circus (if we are not there already) with our antics. If Roman wants long term success, balance the book, and promote youth through the ranks, he has to cut the manager a bit of slack and show some patience.

But is Ancelotti the manager that he should be showing patience with? Or should someone new, younger, (better?) be brought in and given the time to rebuild totally?

I like Carlo, but from the word go he never really captured my imagination and I've never been quite sure about him as an actual manager.

[The Brit]

it seems strange that most people argue he should stay simply because we need stability..although stability would be nice for a change - he should only stay cos he's the best man for the job and I'm not sure he is

[BlueBeard]

The Brit, on 11 May 2011 - 09:22 AM, said:

it seems strange that most people argue he should stay simply because we need stability..although stability would be nice for a change - he should only stay cos he's the best man for the job and I'm not sure he is

Absolutely! I wonder if these same people would be happy if we'd stuck with Scolari for 'stability'?

[G4 Squared]

He has to go for my money, his attitude to youth, his plan A only attitude and failure to throw his toys out of the pram when Wilkins was sacked are reason enough "no more mr nice guy"

[Ben]

alll the people who want him to stay to build his own team, did he do that at Milan, or did he just keep on playing 35-40yr olds?

[abramovich]

BlueBeard, on 11 May 2011 - 09:25 AM, said:

Absolutely! I wonder if these same people would be happy if we'd stuck with Scolari for 'stability'?

If Scolari had won a double in his first season, they probably would be.

[bjd]

abramovich, on 11 May 2011 - 11:34 AM, said:

If Scolari had won a double in his first season, they probably would be.

A very important point i think

[abramovich]

Ben, on 11 May 2011 - 11:11 AM, said:

alll the people who want him to stay to build his own team, did he do that at Milan, or did he just keep on playing 35-40yr olds?

He had little to no say in that, just like with us. Milan didn't spend much and it was more of a necessity for Ancelotti to stick with older players.

There's no manager out there that would say no to more money in transfer market in order to improve the squad. Carlo is just the type of a man who would get on with the job by sticking with footballing matters and leave financial decisions to the owner and his advisors.

[Dorset]

icecoolguy22, on 11 May 2011 - 03:50 AM, said:

One over achieving season, one under achieving, cancel each other out, he has done OK.  We are fast becoming a circus (if we are not there already) with our antics. If Roman wants long term success, balance the book, and promote youth through the ranks, he has to cut the manager a bit of slack and show some patience.

Speed is delusory, icecoolguy, just ask any of the older posters on here. My recollection is that Dave Sexton was the last manager to be given a chance of achieving top flight continuity over time… and he stayed far too long. As for being a circus under Abramovich, well, it’s clearly not only his way of doing things, it’s the Chelsea way. To a certain extent he’s merely carrying on the tradition and, I might add, making a damn good fist of it in the process. So, don’t be fooled by all the media-hype over Roman’s perceived trigger-happy meddling - the real evidence is clear, present and embodied in Chelsea becoming a major force under his control.

[Maverick]

Tim W, on 11 May 2011 - 10:49 AM, said:

He has to go for my money, his attitude to youth, his plan A only attitude and failure to throw his toys out of the pram when Wilkins was sacked are reason enough "no more mr nice guy"

I would have agreed to that sentiment had we not gone on this late surge for the title. That alone makes me believe that given the resources he may be a good bet to back in the long run. The question that I'd like to ask the ones calling for his head is who do you see as a replacement? Apart from Jose and Hiddink I am not sure there are too many around who have the CV that Roman is looking for.

Edited by Maverick, 11 May 2011 - 11:53 AM.

[andy]

Hang on a minute the man won the double  .. he might even be EPL champion this year and if Barcs beat UTd they will be trophy less

http://www.chelseafc...2357523,00.html

[Maverick]

abramovich, on 11 May 2011 - 11:40 AM, said:

There's no manager out there that would say no to more money in transfer market in order to improve the squad. Carlo is just the type of a man who would get on with the job by sticking with footballing matters and leave financial decisions to the owner and his advisors.

Not many managers out there who would not crib about lack of funds if the expectations are high, hell Rafa did it even when he spent a good 60 million every year. With the UEFA financial rules coming into play I'd like to think that Roman believes Carlo is the man to back given his nature and approach.

[BlueBeard]

abramovich, on 11 May 2011 - 11:34 AM, said:

If Scolari had won a double in his first season, they probably would be.

Ancelotti didn't have to do much to win the double, he had a world class team handed to him on a plate - even I could have done it. The bloke is vastly overrated, and if any Chelsea fan is happy with this season's performance under Ancelotti, they must be insane.

[abramovich]

BlueBeard, on 11 May 2011 - 12:08 PM, said:

Ancelotti didn't have to do much to win the double, he had a world class team handed to him on a plate - even I could have done it. The bloke is vastly overrated, and if any Chelsea fan is happy with this season's performance under Ancelotti, they must be insane.

I don't think anybody's happy with this season's performance. The manager has to accept his share of the blame along with the players and the board/owner. Doesn't mean he has to automatically be shown the door.

As for the world class squad, somehow all the managers before Ancelotti failed to win the double, and that includes certain Jose Mourinho who had much more money at his disposal, more time in charge and a better, younger and more talented squad to choose from.

I find your style of criticism interesting. So Carlo had nothing to do with winning the double last season and breaking league scoring record along the way but this season's failures are all down to him. OK, then.

Edited by abramovich, 11 May 2011 - 12:30 PM.

[G4 Squared]

À manager who let's his best attacking player take corners and free kicks from forty yards isn't imposing his authority, unless he thinks it's a good idea of course

[G4 Squared]

Maverick, on 11 May 2011 - 11:51 AM, said:

I would have agreed to that sentiment had we not gone on this late surge for the title. That alone makes me believe that given the resources he may be a good bet to back in the long run. The question that I'd like to ask the ones calling for his head is who do you see as a replacement? Apart from Jose and Hiddink I am not sure there are too many around who have the CV that Roman is looking for.

a combination of
Robbie, Zola, Brendan Rogers

[Brayerz]

abramovich, on 11 May 2011 - 11:40 AM, said:

He had little to no say in that, just like with us. Milan didn't spend much and it was more of a necessity for Ancelotti to stick with older players.

There's no manager out there that would say no to more money in transfer market in order to improve the squad. Carlo is just the type of a man who would get on with the job by sticking with footballing matters and leave financial decisions to the owner and his advisors.

A cetain Arsene Wenger comes to mind.  

[Dorset]

abramovich, on 11 May 2011 - 12:28 PM, said:

I don't think anybody's happy with this season's performance. The manager has to accept his share of the blame along with the players and the board/owner. Doesn't mean he has to automatically be shown the door.

As for the world class squad, somehow all the managers before Ancelotti failed to win the double, and that includes certain Jose Mourinho who had much more money at his disposal, more time in charge and a better, younger and more talented squad to choose from.

I find your style of criticism interesting. So Carlo had nothing to do with winning the double last season and breaking league scoring record along the way but this season's failures are all down to him. OK, then.

Throughout this season the team has performed as if on a rollercoaster, with high flashes of brilliance followed by plummets to the depths of dull, disjointed and uninspiring football - something the owner really dislikes and something Carlo was invited to change in the first place. The reasons are manifold, but the ultimate decline has been there for us all to see.

In fact, the United game was a very good indicator of this in that we saw a marked difference between one manager who was comfortable with his players and style of play matched against another, seemingly at odds with both, presiding over a pale imitation of the previous season’s double-winning outfit [great though they were, along with their coach] and far removed from the charged-up unit we had all hoped to see on the day.

Solution to get us back on track and on the up again:- Well, first let’s try and gauge what Chelsea are trying to do here. The development of youth through the Academy and into the first team is a strategy that remains paramount, yet on the pitch there are problems to be addressed, the main one being - what will our future style of play be, bearing in mind the ever-growing Brazilian influence? Do we [all too often] adopt the battering ram approach when subtlety is required? If so, I'd like to think that the time has come for a complete Roman review on every front, perhaps incorporating a reassessment taken in tandem with Ancelotti that might even be accompanied by a Guus Hiddink synopsis. But whatever it takes, now is the moment, not after blithely giving Carlo another year, in hope rather than eager anticipation, merely to pay homage to continuity.

[mrjhay]

We need some stability, at least give him another season - see what he does over the summer transfer market and next year. This season has been very much a transition season - if it continues as it is, get rid of him - but lets keep a hold of him to see what he can produce.