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[Zeta Orionis]

icecoolguy22, on 01 January 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

They are in decent form, gk is saving everything right now. Changes must be made at our end, hopefully attitude on top of personnel. Youth should play some parts in a season, and this is the perfect team. Our young guys already played 2 epl sides in the carling cup, no reason the can't step up today. A new year, new start, we can only get better.

Or a lot lot worse.

[Zola]

Lets be honest, if we cant beat Wolves they all need to take a long look at themselves, or go to a sunday league team

Wolves have some utter useless c**ts like Henry on payroll who can't actually play football and is only there to take bookings.

WE ARE CHELSEA.

AVB SORT IT OUT OR GET OUT!

Edited by Zola, 01 January 2012 - 11:37 PM.

[slackhands]

Get Josh starting, Bertrand, and put Hutch in for Terry and we might just get a result.

[Ballack & Blu]

I'd like something radical so

..................Cech

.........Luiz.....JT.....Ash

................Romeu

Bossy.....Ramires..... Merreiles

.............Mata

......Sturridge...Torres

As much as i like a DM,it shows a team you want to defend,so play a 3 with him in front,you cannot attack or be attacked on both flanks at the same time,an energetic mid 3 and creative top 3 with torres playing like a striker,As Shearer said "showing your manager your no 9" more often than he does

[Zeta Orionis]

Cole at CB, Bosingwa Right midfield and Merieles left midfield? I know we want a shake up, but I think that might be a bit much.

[Keiron]

[Ballack & Blu]

BlueSkies, on 01 January 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

Cole at CB, Bosingwa Right midfield and Merieles left midfield? I know we want a shake up, but I think that might be a bit much.

Whats up with it,Cole can defend, he is one of the 3 whatever they are called,and Meireilles is a MF aint he??, i seem to remember joey wasn't a leftie but played there.!!

[Eggy McMuffin]

Ballack & Blu, on 02 January 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

Whats up with it,Cole can defend, he is one of the 3 whatever they are called,and Meireilles is a MF aint he??, i seem to remember joey wasn't a leftie but played there.!!

I'd say that basically you're suggesting a 4-Diamond-2 where we mainly attack down the right instead of the left. It would be a little bit too easy to defend against. Wolves could just play a striker in behind the space left by Bosingwa and would force Luiz to come across. Any central striker would then have loads of space to play with. Similar to how Sunderland took us apart last season when we lost 3-0.

[shedpensioner]

The only team that I would be happy with, given the players available will be.

Cech

Bossy Luiz JT Bertrand

Romeu Meireles

Studge Rambo Mata

Torres

Its not that we have bad players, AVB is just not using them properly, the top teams no longer play 433 football has evolved again

Only reason I want Bertrand in is because Cole is not playing brilliantly at the moment and could use a rest and maybe a kick up the backside that he's not an automatic starter!

Ultimately we need a real winger and I don't think Kakuta is the answer, if we had the winger I'd drop Rambo in for Meireles.

Come on AVB show us you really are changing things!

[footballoholic]

Apparently Drogba, Kalou, Malouda and Studge are all doubts for this one.

Also, Ash Cole is carrying a slight knock, so Bertrand could get a start.

[Bluehatter]

Yer I'm hearing sturridge asked not to travel due to injury but avb asked him to travel. Malouda also out due to illness. Could see a drogba torres front 2 with mata in behind?

[Eggy McMuffin]

footballoholic, on 02 January 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

Apparently Drogba, Kalou, Malouda and Studge are all doubts for this one.

Also, Ash Cole is carrying a slight knock, so Bertrand could get a start.

Well that'll make for an interesting line up.

Torres, Mata, Kakuta and Lukaku as the only real attacking options. I'm guessing if Sturridge is injured but is travelling he'll only be on the bench and used if needed.

Torres, Mata and Kakuta as the front 3, although I can possibly see Lukaku being used on the right and I won't be confident if I see that.

I can see Lampard starting this one instead of Meireles either way. I'd like to see a 4-2-3-1, but with that many attacking injuries and doubts I don't think this is the game to try it.

[Northport Blues]

We're going to see a pretty similar lineup to what we've seen all year (or last, to be technical), so get ready. The real, and only, question to be asked is will they play with pride and to close their ability? They didn't all just turn to sh*te 2 weeks ago. Come on, Chelsea - show us something.

[footballoholic]

----------Cech
Bos - Luiz - JT - Cole

---------Romeu
-Ramires - Lampard

Kalou --------- Mata
--------Torres

[evissy]

------------Cech---------------

Paulo--Ivan--JT---Bertrand

-----------Romeu-------------

Ramires-----------Lampard

------------Mata--------------

---Sturridge------Torres---

With this I think we could replicate some of the success we had at Newcastle(Sturridge had about 10 shots in the game). Instead of being wide lets lay lower and attack with pace. Mata and Lampard can try and find our pacey forwards Danny and Torres with fast vertical passes. The MF should be able to defend well with 3 leaving Mata to make the fast breaks.

3 points is a must so we need to try something. We need shots at goal.

[Eggy McMuffin]

evissy, on 02 January 2012 - 05:25 AM, said:

------------Cech---------------

Paulo--Ivan--JT---Bertrand

-----------Romeu-------------

Ramires-----------Lampard

------------Mata--------------

---Sturridge------Torres---

With this I think we could replicate some of the success we had at Newcastle(Sturridge had about 10 shots in the game). Instead of being wide lets lay lower and attack with pace. Mata and Lampard can try and find our pacey forwards Danny and Torres with fast vertical passes. The MF should be able to defend well with 3 leaving Mata to make the fast breaks.

3 points is a must so we need to try something. We need shots at goal.

I don't think there's actually much difference between this and what we normally play. Mata usually roams inside and Studge usually plays pretty high up the pitch, just a little wider than that, but it doesn't stop him from getting chances (you mentioned the Newcastle game). It's not a true wide position though that he plays.

[evissy]

Eggy McMuffin, on 02 January 2012 - 06:04 AM, said:

I don't think there's actually much difference between this and what we normally play. Mata usually roams inside and Studge usually plays pretty high up the pitch, just a little wider than that, but it doesn't stop him from getting chances (you mentioned the Newcastle game). It's not a true wide position though that he plays.

My idea is based on what we did against Newcastle in the sense how we created in that game. We laid back and let the home team attack and played a fast counter-attack style. Sturridge had lots and lots of chances to score. Not sure how Wolves approach the game but we could give them the initiative. It is better than the slow paced horizontal ball movement game with most of the possession that we saw saturday. With this style you have two fast guys to aim when you are trying to release man through instead of using the wing. It was easy for Villa to defend and you could see that miles away. I don't know why AVB didn't react to that.

If you have the wing men you have to give the ball to the wing. If you got two guys going forward from the middle you have to try and find them. Only way to pass to them is to break very fast and Ramires and Mata can do that. It is up to the opponent how it works but we have skill to do that IMO.

[Eggy McMuffin]

evissy, on 02 January 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

My idea is based on what we did against Newcastle in the sense how we created in that game. We laid back and let the home team attack and played a fast counter-attack style. Sturridge had lots and lots of chances to score. Not sure how Wolves approach the game but we could give them the initiative. It is better than the slow paced horizontal ball movement game with most of the possession that we saw saturday. With this style you have two fast guys to aim when you are trying to release man through instead of using the wing. It was easy for Villa to defend and you could see that miles away. I don't know why AVB didn't react to that.

If you have the wing men you have to give the ball to the wing. If you got two guys going forward from the middle you have to try and find them. Only way to pass to them is to break very fast and Ramires and Mata can do that. It is up to the opponent how it works but we have skill to do that IMO.

When I watched the game I kept seeing Villa defending deep. Which meant there wasn't the space to counter attack, which meant we had lots of possession in areas where it's difficult to threaten from. I don't think it's as easy as saying 'lets counter attack more', it takes the other team to attack us first and Villa weren't exactly committing men forwards and I doubt Wolves will either. You can have as many fast players on the pitch as you like but if the opposition are playing deep there isn't the space in behind for them to use that pace. That's when you need players to get to the byline and cross it in (no wingers in your formation), a player with the vision and ability to pick out a pass in a congested area (your formation puts Mata in the perfect place to do just that), or the brute force we used to be able to rely on Drogba for.

It's an eenie meenie mynie mo kind of situation and at times it takes a bit of luck (against Villa we got the penalty) or a moment of magic. I don't think there's a massive amount that can be done with the players we have right now. My preferred choice is a 4-2-3-1 (I will at some point shut up about it), as it gets Mata in the middle and it still gives us a threat in behind on the wings, so we have 2 out of the 3 ways to break down a team parking the bus. Admittedly it does mean that we have to rely on a performance from Kalou or Malouda which are rare occurrences these days, but that'd be my choice.

[footballoholic]

Are none of our midfielders doubts for the game? Anycase, I'm sure we'll manage to find 3 of them not named Josh.

[Castiel]

We'll bounce back today.