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Norwich v Chelsea (PL) 21/01/12 KO 12:45 GMT


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View PostSpiller86, on 22 January 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:

To be fair to bosingwa, he did get one cross in. The one Torres missed from.

We really didn't play that badly. Replay is kinder to us. We just didn't finish well enough.
I didnt get to see or hear anything about the game, so after reading this thread I expected us to have been utter garbage, outplayed, created zero and Torres`s miss to have been from a yard and a completely open net. Well we weren`t, we weren`t, we did and it wasn`t anywhere near as bad as it was made out to be. Now in saying that we weren`t that good, but we did do enough to have won on another day, but there were a few poor games from the likes of Mata, Sturridge, Malouda, Meireles etc.

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View PostRowley87, on 22 January 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

I've officially gone off AVB. I'm not calling for him to be sacked, but the only time he's impressed me this season were his tactics against Valencia at home.

The subs he makes are strange, and are always left too late to make any real impact. He seems to make the changes at the 75th minute mark. I think we can all agree that yesterdays game needed changes at half time, or at least the 60th minute. But when he finally made the change, it was a petty irrational like for like change because of Torres' missed chance. Daniel Sturridge had to be the the player to come off, he was absent all game.

The wingers don't run to the bylines anymore. You can tell they've been instructed this way. Bosingwa had so many chances to run the ball down there, but it was like there was some invisible shield stopping him. I think we went down there twice the whole game, the first time led to that Torres chance, the second time was that Lukaku run. It's obvious to me, that things happen when we're allowed to run down there. Chelsea struggle to defend crosses from the byline, so why isn't it obvious to AVB that this is a good form of attack? Use it!

Why wasn't Cahill playing? surely he's match fit, he was playing for Bolton last weekend. Why buy a player if you don't know where to put him? again, i scratch my head.

Then at the end of the game I find out that the team are now catching a flight to Spain for a team building exercise. What on earth is going on in the camp? I'm not expecting a good return against QPR next weekend.
I don't think it is a specific instruction not to get to the by-line. On the right, we have Sturridge who's about as confident crossing the ball with right foot (which he'd have to do from that position) as I am crossing with my left testicle. So it's a position he doesn't want to get into. Bosingwa is a defender and getting that far forward is a bad idea for defenders in general as you get caught that far up, you have no chance of getting back. Against certain sides that's not too much of an issue, like yesterday it wouldn't have been too much of a problem, but it tends to be something that Defenders don't like doing (Notable exceptions being Alves and Cole on our other side, but I'll get to that in a minute). The times that Bos was willing to get to the by-line, he had Sturridge or Ramires behind him to cover, so it was an option.

On the other wing, we have Mata who doesn't stay there very often, but when he does is certainly willing to try and get there, but he isn't there often enough for it to be a main route of attack. Cole has to provide the width, but a lot of the time he's all we have on that side. So he's usually got two men to beat to get to the by-line or failing that he'll at least have no cover which makes it a big risk for the counter.

Cahill wasn't playing for two reasons. One, he's going to have to adjust to our system. Two, he wasn't going to be needed today. We were always likely to have a spare man at the back, so why not have a more attacking centre back to take advantage of that. Incidentally Luiz was excellent today.

On to the subs, in general they have been lacking in terms of invention, but today he was forced into making one early on which changed his options and meant rolling the dice too early could leave us down to 10 men if we had another injury. I don't think his timing of substitutions in general is an issue at all and the actual subs he makes is limited by the options he has, although this is compounded by him not trusting Kalou and Malouda, but plenty on here would agree with his assessment there.

View PostSpiller86, on 22 January 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:

To be fair to bosingwa, he did get one cross in. The one Torres missed from.

We really didn't play that badly. Replay is kinder to us. We just didn't finish well enough.
Wasn't that one deflected off a defender?

Also, are you saying I was right in what I said about the game at the time? :biggrin:

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View PostEggy McMuffin, on 22 January 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

On to the subs, in general they have been lacking in terms of invention, but today he was forced into making one early on which changed his options and meant rolling the dice too early could leave us down to 10 men if we had another injury. I don't think his timing of substitutions in general is an issue at all and the actual subs he makes is limited by the options he has, although this is compounded by him not trusting Kalou and Malouda, but plenty on here would agree with his assessment there.

Excellent point. People love to moan about him not making substitutions to change the game. Who does he have to do that? Do you think he's hiding Robben under the bench and not telling us?

The fact that he avoids using Malouda and Kalou wherever possible tells us that he mean to find replacements for them at his earliest convenience. I suspect the same is true of Mikel because he hasn't featured much in a long while. It was pretty obvious that Lampard's early injury threw a spanner in AVB's gameplan and thats a squad issue, not managerial.

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View Postdkw, on 22 January 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

I didnt get to see or hear anything about the game, so after reading this thread I expected us to have been utter garbage, outplayed, created zero and Torres`s miss to have been from a yard and a completely open net. Well we weren`t, we weren`t, we did and it wasn`t anywhere near as bad as it was made out to be. Now in saying that we weren`t that good, but we did do enough to have won on another day, but there were a few poor games from the likes of Mata, Sturridge, Malouda, Meireles etc.

Not even that, I'd say Sturridge and Mata were both reasonable if not spectacular. Below their form so far this year but not bad. Mata was involved in everything we did that was good and the two combined for a wonderful flowing move that forced a good save from Ruddy. I love how hard Mata runs to get the ball back after he passes. Wish we had have bought Parker to have two blokes in the team who run hard to get the ball back after passing.

Bosingwa, Meireles and Ramires were the main candidates for criticism from me. Too often they took two many touches, or in Bosingwa's case sat there faking and stuttering trying to beat a man one on one when it came out to him, rather than circulating the ball back in again when it was clear he was cornered.

I felt immensely better when Essien came on. His return is one reason I am still confident we will finish top four. You forget just how good he is deep in midfield, circulating efficiently. If only his bloody knees weren't so bad.

Luiz had his best game this year and Torres was entirely serviceable, looking more confident, and without joining the apologists, his miss wasn't a sitter. Ruddy had the post covered pretty solidly.

View PostEggy McMuffin, on 22 January 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

Wasn't that one deflected off a defender?

Also, are you saying I was right in what I said about the game at the time? :biggrin:

I don't think it was, it was perhaps more a pass than a cross. Which might explain why it didn't show up on the stats.

And yes, I may have in fact agreed with you for the first time in a month Eggy. :smile:

Edited by Spiller86, 22 January 2012 - 12:55 PM.


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Just seen Torres`s "miss" again, the stick he got for it is ridiculous. The ball took a massive bobble just before it came to him and skipped right up, his control of it was outstanding, it really was a superb first touch. Without the bobble maybe he would have hit it first time.

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View PostSpiller86, on 22 January 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

And yes, I may have in fact agreed with you for the first time in a month Eggy. :smile:
Wooo! :biggrin: ::ChELSeAFaN::

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Also on the Torres 'miss' he had a very tight space to get the shot through, I wouldn't call it a glaring miss!

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Arsenal-ManU 1-1 at 75min. Hope it stays that way. We gained a point on Spuds and now we can keep Arsenal at a distance and ManU at a shouting distance. I really don't care who wins the title if it isn't Chelsea.

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Welbeck 1-2...aaahh. 10mins to go.

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1-2 FT. So Top 2 is breaking away from everyone but we managed to gain 1 point on Spuds, Arsenal and Scumpool. That was most important wasn't it. Not a perfect failure the weekend.

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Exactly as i feel, after yesterday i'm happy with todays results.
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Anyone got any news about Lampard's injury?

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good game at the Emirates, pleasure to see two top teams go at it with exciting fast dynamic wing play and intelligent football all round, shame about the gooners - dodgy sub could be argued cost them the match. Chelsea even after a frustrating 0-0 agains t a team that hasn't kept a clean sheet all season until yesterday some how managed to go 5 points clear in 4th but the Scum United are only 2 prem games away and a tough visit to Swansea is up first.

I love Chelsea and don't like to come on here and be hyper critical, and would defend this club to the death with other teams supporters. But transition equals an excuse in my book with this squad that is 2nd only to Man City in being the most expensively assembled one in prem history. Every team around Chelsea in the top 5 has quality strikers even on the bench (except gooners who at least have 1 in RVP) this team currently has a man who is a pale shadow of his former self right now & bringing on Lukaku yesterday smacked of desperation. The sad thing is even though Anelka is gone, Drogba & Kalou will go in the summer most likely now its a bad time to go out & buy a player that can actually score (availibilty, price, cup tied etc.) and would just deflate Torres ego even further, so we are stuck with this very unhelpful situation for the time being. Lampard being out could also add to the woes he is the TOP scorer in the prem now.

I hope AVB and the team out there in the sun tuned into the match in north london today if so also hope they learned a thing or two.

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View PostblizeH, on 22 January 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:


Sturridge in particular I found really frustrating yesterday.

His passing really needs to improve.

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View PostSpiller86, on 22 January 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:

To be fair to bosingwa, he did get one cross in. The one Torres missed from.

We really didn't play that badly. Replay is kinder to us. We just didn't finish well enough.
Boswinga was infinitely better than Cole today. He was our main offensive weapon and created, entirely on his own, a chance that we should have scored from.. I think half the people who watch these games have made up their mind who they like and don't like and don't actually pay any attention to what actually happens.

The formation didn't work all that well for a variety of reasons. Mereiles is not a very creative defensive midfielder. However if I had to pick anyone for poor performance it would be Sturridge, who offered nothing.

Torres worked hard even coming back to make defensive tackles but that is a sure sign that he lacks confidence in front of goal and feels he has to compensate elsewhere.

Our defensive performance was fairly strong.

I do think I would have subbed Sturridge rather than Torres, but Torres has to stay fit because he still has a lot of work to do this season. Also if Lukaku is to come on, it has to be in his natural position.

Lukaku looked more up for it than when I have seen him previously, but at the end of the game no cigar.

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Yes, saw Lukaku's potential potential for the first time. The other results made for a not so bad weekend. Playmaker wanted.




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