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[Bluehatter]

This should of been a priority this window but it seems avb isn't even considering it. For me this the key to unlocking torres. Watching the game today was painful with the amount of times mata is in the middle and we look to go out wide left only to find no one is there. Get a pacey left winger who is prepared to run at defenders and it would make a massive diference to our team.

[tremberz90]

Yeah, we need a similar player to Sturridge (but right footed) to play LW and cut inside. Maybe Hazard, Gotze? Malouda isn't good enough, and we need one fast.

[Katon]

Bluehatter, on 21 January 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

This should of been a priority this window but it seems avb isn't even considering it. For me this the key to unlocking torres. Watching the game today was painful with the amount of times mata is in the middle and we look to go out wide left only to find no one is there. Get a pacey left winger who is prepared to run at defenders and it would make a massive diference to our team.

Why don't you think AVB's considering it? So far this window our strongest transfer links (other than Cahill) have been Willian, Hazard, and Jovetic; all of them can play as wingers, and from what I understand Willian and Hazard at least prefer playing there.

[wxwax]

I think it would be wrong to judge AVB's shopping list based on what does or doesn't happen in January.

[Bluehatter]

Katon, on 22 January 2012 - 02:42 AM, said:

Why don't you think AVB's considering it? So far this window our strongest transfer links (other than Cahill) have been Willian, Hazard, and Jovetic; all of them can play as wingers, and from what I understand Willian and Hazard at least prefer playing there.

I'm sure i heard him say somewhere that after cahill there would bee nothing else coming in? I'd rather listen to the man himself than some made up rumours.

[Brayerz]

Bluehatter, on 22 January 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

I'm sure i heard him say somewhere that after cahill there would bee nothing else coming in? I'd rather listen to the man himself than some made up rumours.

I thought it was more along the lines of Cahill is the only business at the moment, but if the right player became available in forward positions that we would look into it

[Bluehatter]

Brayerz, on 22 January 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

I thought it was more along the lines of Cahill is the only business at the moment, but if the right player became available in forward positions that we would look into it

Ok fair enough but like I said it should of been a priority which it clearly isn't. it's there for everyone to see that we lack a pacey left sided player that can run at his man. If we had a bale type player I'd be more than confident of winning the league or at least being contenders.

[Brayerz]

Bluehatter, on 22 January 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

Ok fair enough but like I said it should of been a priority which it clearly isn't. it's there for everyone to see that we lack a pacey left sided player that can run at his man. If we had a bale type player I'd be more than confident of winning the league or at least being contenders.

Oh yeah, i agree. A left winger would allow mata central, which is ideal. We need an out and out winger though, someone to get the ball, sprint down the line and then whip a ball in. Nobody in our team can cross.

[Bluehatter]

Brayerz, on 22 January 2012 - 05:18 PM, said:

Oh yeah, i agree. A left winger would allow mata central, which is ideal. We need an out and out winger though, someone to get the ball, sprint down the line and then whip a ball in. Nobody in our team can cross.

Yup when we won the league under carlo we had malouda firing on all cylinders and with jose we had robben. It does make all the difference.

[PloKoon13]

Personally I'd be happy for Malouda to continue on the left (for now) but a young understudy wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. A player who is more of a 'pure' winger and who would be more comfortable hugging the touchline than Malouda.

[Katon]

Bluehatter, on 22 January 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

I'm sure i heard him say somewhere that after cahill there would bee nothing else coming in? I'd rather listen to the man himself than some made up rumours.

AVB has saidthat "we might get one more player in" apart from Cahill; he's been cagy about our transfer plans, as usual, but it seems pretty likely we're at least looking at signing a winger to replace Anelka. And while the Hazard and Jovetic rumors don't necessarily have anything more specific behind them than agents screwing around, they're both plausible rumors at the same general position, and the Willian rumor was sourced in the Shakhtar official website saying we offered them 20 million euros for him, which is about as reliable as you can get without official comment from Chelsea.

[undertow]

[Barn]

The reason we don't have an out and out winger might be because we don't play with wingers! The formation we do or should use is a whole different topic. Based on what we've seen AVB put out so far I'd suggest our team would look totally different if we had a striker capable of scoring, the current team would look far more cutting if they could trust their striker.

[Bluehatter]

Barn, on 22 January 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

The reason we don't have an out and out winger might be because we don't play with wingers! The formation we do or should use is a whole different topic. Based on what we've seen AVB put out so far I'd suggest our team would look totally different if we had a striker capable of scoring, the current team would look far more cutting if they could trust their striker.

Struggling to understand what your point is there but I'm guessing it's a dig at torres? So your suggesting we don't have a left winger because they don't trust torres?

[Eggy McMuffin]

Bluehatter, on 22 January 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

Struggling to understand what your point is there but I'm guessing it's a dig at torres? So your suggesting we don't have a left winger because they don't trust torres?

  No, I don't think that's anywhere near what he's saying.

I believe Barn is saying that we don't have wingers, because the formation we play doesn't use them. He's using the classical definition of what a winger is, rather than the more general using it to describe any wide player which most of us tend to do. We have more inside forwards than wingers you see.

He's also saying that our team doesn't look dangerous because Torres doesn't look dangerous. Something I'd disagree with to an extent. I feel most people here don't think the side looks dangerous because they themselves (the fans watching) have lost a bit of faith in the ability of some of our players, so when a chance is there, they assume it will be missed and quickly forget it ever happened if it is missed.

[Bluehatter]

Eggy McMuffin, on 22 January 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

  No, I don't think that's anywhere near what he's saying.

I believe Barn is saying that we don't have wingers, because the formation we play doesn't use them. He's using the classical definition of what a winger is, rather than the more general using it to describe any wide player which most of us tend to do. We have more inside forwards than wingers you see.

He's also saying that our team doesn't look dangerous because Torres doesn't look dangerous. Something I'd disagree with to an extent. I feel most people here don't think the side looks dangerous because they themselves (the fans watching) have lost a bit of faith in the ability of some of our players, so when a chance is there, they assume it will be missed and quickly forget it ever happened if it is missed.

I'm sorry to say but sturridge and to a lesser  extent have been playing as wingers this season. My definition of winger is a player that plays wide and helps with defence and attack which sturridge has obviously been told to do. So the formation we play definetely needs 2 wingers.

i'd also disgaree that torres hasn't looked dangerous because he has been one of our biggest threats in the past few games. Maybe not yesterday but who did?

[dkw]

They aren't really playing as wingers, more outside forwards (an old term, but it fits) with freedom to come inside when necessary. Proper old school wingers that hit the byline are something we haven't had for quite some time, probably since duff and robben.

[evissy]

This is what we desperately need. Malouda isn't firing and AVB isn't really giving him the nod. I already stated in the Hazard thread that if we'd get a winger like him he would kick Malouda on the backside.

We need a winger and we need someone to spark this team.

[Barn]

Eggy Mc, got right what I was trying to say in as much as we don't play with typical old school wingers, if Sturridge was playing as a winger he'd be playing on the left so that he could get outside his man and get a cross in from the by-line, not on the role where he's expected to cut inside to get a shot away.
I do agree that we need more creativity in the midfield and that we're lacking someone who can play a similar role to Studge but starting from the left.  However I also strongly believe that for a team to really work you need to trust in your team mates to do their job properly, if Cech couldn't catch our defense would play in a completely different way.  If your main striker can't score your attack has to operate differently.

[Bluehatter]

i'm not buying the torres excuse one bit. You could say he dosn't trust the rest of the midfield to thread through balls into him. Like i said that excuse is total B*****s because he has looked our most dangerous player in the past few games barring norwichso what makes the others so special that they can't trust him?