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2 minutes ago, carrickblue said:

Disappointing performance from PSG. Didn't really show they had progressed that much from the 5-0 hammering they gave Celtic at Parkhead. 7-1 - it's ok I suppose but to be honest I was hoping for at least 12.

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Just noticed that PSG have scored 24 goals so far and half of those against Celtic. If Di Maria had taken his chances it could have been ten. Perhaps he took pity.

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1 minute ago, carrickblue said:

Now Kante's back it'll be a breeze - we're a transformed outfit with huge ambition. 

Depends on our fixture scheduling though. That's the only thing that's causing us problems atm.

A well rested, motivated Chelsea side can go toe to toe with any side.

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2 hours ago, carrickblue said:

It'a in our own hands now. Win at home v Atletico and we win the group, that's all we could have hoped for. It's going to be a cracker at the Bridge!

Come on Chelsea

The question is do we want to finish top. Ok yea, we probably do

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United fans on Lukaku, looks like the honeymoon period and hysteria over 'screwing us over' has well and truly worn off!!!! :biggrin:

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I don't like his body language today. Constantly raising his arms in frustration or pointing frustrated were he wanted the ball every time a teammate does a mistake/bad delivery.

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A lot was made of our midfield not constantly supplying him with chances but his movement really isn't that good - surprisingly, I though it was one of his main strengths.

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For such a strong guy, his physical presence is pretty bad. He is not bullying anyone, neither with his upper body nor with his speed. That missed chance also represents poor composure. Pretty 0/10 today.

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Donkey in today's game.

This guy still has it all to prove with us. Game after game centre backs find it so easy to mark him out the game. RVN couldn't create goals for himself but his game was technically sound and efficient. Lukaku on the other hand kills passing moves and needs clear chances to score.

Top strikers like Kane, Aguero etc make goals out of half chances. Our Rom is a level below atm

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He's not the kind of striker that will take a game by the scruff of the neck. He needs to have very good service, otherwise he's useless.  Far too easily nullified.

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I think that's an easy cop out for Lukaku.

He doesn't need good fullbacks on the pitch in order to successfully complete a one-two or hold up the ball with one defender on him. He's an incredibly average football player who only looks good when scoring.

In most games it won't be a problem but in big games or games where we struggle like today, Lukaku has proven to be ineffective this season.

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This isn't any kind of kneejerk response, as I had been very happy with Lukaku early on in the season.

My primary concern when we were linked with him was how reliant he was on service. In this day and age having a striker so reliant on other players creating for them is a dangerous game to play. There will always be days when the midfield behind you struggles to create, and on those days, you need your striker to produce a moment of magic, like a Suarez or Aguero would. I worry that Lukaku doesn't have it in him to produce that moment of magic.

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He is such a crap player, it's quite funny how Utd seem to like creating their own problems by signing players like him, even after so many managers. His numbers don't mean anything

If Mourinho is as ruthless as his reputation suggests, he should let Lukaku go soon enough.

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So his poor form is down to our poor fullbacks? Top players don't have those kind of excuses and it's not like the fullbacks are to blame for how often the ball gets away from him when we are trying to build an attack, he's supposed to offset this by burying his chances but he had two good ones tonight and missed them both.

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Benteke v2 - needs a full team to work towards him to get the best out of him.

José's quote about not being able to play rashford & martial in the same team is trash - both could be in partnership as strikers but the special one can only utilise strikers like lukaku & ibrahimpvic.

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Probably not a good time to critique individual players when still raging, but his football skills are sh*te, the fact he can put the ball in the net (though not tonight) will never catapult him into the elite bracket of strikers. Not ever.

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I am still not sure whether he is good for a lone striker because even though he is big and strong, he still struggles to hold up the ball because of his poor first touch. Sometimes, even after gets the ball under control he manages to lose it with his second or third touch.

Against lower teams, this is OK because we have most of the possession and losing it a few times does not look bad. But I shudder to think of what might happen against City where their entire game plan is based on pressing and robbing the opposition off the ball. In such matches, we need to make each possession count (if we are trying to win and get a result), and he could become a major liability.

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Was thinking the same... For such a big and strong guy he'd is rarely able to use his body to shield the ball or win a aerial duels.

And we lack "balance" when playing Martial and Rashford but we use Lukaku as right winger instead... If that is Jose's big idea of using Zlatan and Lukaku togheter then we are in trouble

^^^Doesn't that one sound familiar?

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Excellent point. His hold-up play and technique is still too poor to play as a lone striker in a Jose team. I have hardly seen a striker so big and strong, exhibiting such poor hold-up play. He either has a poor first touch, or a poor second/third one, or cannot trap the ball properly, or mistimes his jumps, or has the ball nicked from his feet by average defenders. One way or the other, he loses the ball 8/10 times. The likes of Benteke or Andy Carroll or even Peter Crouch are way, way above Lukaku in terms of hold-up play.
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The more I see Lukaku play, the more I think he is not our long term CF.
CL contending teams always have a world class striker. Messi w/ Barca, Ronaldo w/ Madrid, Lewandoski w/ Bayern.
It's still early, but I doubt Lukaku will ever reach that level. He is still a very good player, but I don't expect much from him anymore. For us to contend for CL, we need the likes of Martial and Rashford to reach their potential and lead the front. 

I feel like Lukaku resembles Saha from fergie era, and perhaps after few years of solid performance, may leave our club when we buy a world class striker.
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It’d help if he actually made some good runs too. For a guy who scored over 24 goals last season his movement is pretty sh*t.
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I'm also worried right now.

My main problem with Lukaku is his time here has gone exactly how many people thought. Upon his signing, everyone here was of the opinion he would bang in the goals here. He's done just that with 12 goals in 19 games. That's a good record.

Where many were concerned was his general gameplay, first touch and his ability to not only have no influence in big games but to be poor in them. Its fair to say, this prediction has also been true.

Lukaku has basically been the same player he was at Everton. What we needed from him was to raise his game but its the same old strengths and weaknesses with him so far. His weaknesses can make him a total liability in games and unlike other top strikers he doesn't possess the ability to mask poor performances with moments of genius nland individual skill. Like you said we should give him more time but if down the line there's no significant improvement we needed him upgraded asap.
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I don't his first touch is the big problem here. It's not very impressive but if he used his frame much more effectively the loose touches wouldn't squander the ball so easily. Think of Diego Costa who in my opinion is hardly a silky footballer but along with an eye for goal he uses his body extremely well to hold off players which buys him a few seconds to get his head up. Defenders are going to be in a battle whereas with Lukaku he makes it easier for the defenders. 

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You know whats extra annoying, when you think about it, he clearly works a lot with Pogba even prior this season, offseason training etc.
Pogba uses every inch of his frame and mass at times to ward off the opposition in possession, he does it as much with his physique as technical skill, yet Lukaku, who also has the physical tools and must see a lot of Pogba has absolutely no idea how to shield the ball.
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Oh come on, it is not amazing! Please use words as decent, good or great - not amazing. Given his price and responsibility, playing as a lone striker for Manchester United with talented players around him, I would say his output thus far has been average to good, certainly far from amazing. 8 goals in 12 matches in the league, goals against West Ham (18th), Swansea (19th), Stoke (15th), Everton (16th), Soton (14th), Crystal Palace (20th) and Newcastle (11th). Goalless against Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea, in other words scoring against the relegation fodder (which is also a good thing of course, not taking that away from him). What is it now, one goal in eight games? He is no Lewandoswki or Kane.

He scores sitters and has a good presence in the box, he is a decent header of the ball, but he is average in everything else he does. He doesn't sniff chances like Cavani, he doesn't contribute to make others better, his passing and touch is Conference-level, he doesn't score goals "out of nothing" like Kane and he is so slow at turning his body and utilizing his strength and pace. He is fast, but that doesn't help when he is so big and needs time to get going.
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It's not his dry spell of goals, it's his general play has been shocking. 

You can still play great as a striker without scoring, unfortunately that is not that case for Lukaku. Did you see the absolute state of his last night?
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Choosing Lukaku was a big mistake. And a very expensive one at up to £90m. Everton did extremely well to hold out for that much. We'll be lucky to get half of that back when we sell him. We're not winning the PL or CL with him as our main striker, I'm quite sure of that.
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People criticised him even when he was scoring, because he lacks certain technical skills (which he, quite frankly, does). You could've said that it was a knee-jerk reaction when he scored every game, but not now. He's a great player, but he doesn't belong in the truly elite category (yet, hopefully), and United fans are used to a certain level of quality.

Literally every single reason i didn't want him back under any circumstances and wasn't remotely bothered he was sold is covered in these posts (poor movement, lazy, weak for his size, abysmal technique etc etc). The few people defending him were blaming the "lack of service", sound familiar to a certain number 9 we had? We already have a "flawed footballer but scores" striker in Bats who is a super sub and nothing more, imagine going into this season with Lukaku and Bats as the options? :face_palm:

Honestly i would rather the 2013/14 versions of Eto'o or Ba over Lukaku let alone Costa and Morata.

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I hate watching Lukaku play, he's actually a worse footballer than Costa was and Costa used to frustrate the hell out of me. United are now starting to see the bad side of him when he doesn't score because that's all he is, goals. 

Even when he was scoring every game he was playing badly, watch his link-up play it's embarrassing, no idea how he costs 90 million. 

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25 minutes ago, Slojo said:

I hate watching Lukaku play, he's actually a worse footballer than Costa was and Costa used to frustrate the hell out of me. United are now starting to see the bad side of him when he doesn't score because that's all he is, goals. 

Even when he was scoring every game he was playing badly, watch his link-up play it's embarrassing, no idea how he costs 90 million. 

Costa for the most part made up for his lack of technical skill tactically, his movement especially was out of this world. I still am a bit baffled from the 2014 world cup where Lukaku looked clueless in one game and Origi off all people replaced him and he and Belgium looked so much more fluent and threatening.

If Lukaku was our first choice, then we have been let off a massive, massive mistake.

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44 minutes ago, Argo said:

Costa for the most part made up for his lack of technical skill tactically, his movement especially was out of this world. I still am a bit baffled from the 2014 world cup where Lukaku looked clueless in one game and Origi off all people replaced him and he and Belgium looked so much more fluent and threatening.

If Lukaku was our first choice, then we have been let off a massive, massive mistake.

I found Costa's movement overrated in many ways, I'm sure the guy scored about 4 headers at this club. How many times was he always missing low crosses on the byline? He was never there, rarely went for the header, not much of an ariel threat to teams. I can't tell you how many times I saw Hazard skip past 3 players whip it in on the byline and Costa was nowhere to be found. 

The guy still scored a lot of goals here though but I hated how he never got on the end of any crosses, whereas Morata absolutely relishes them. 

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