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Transition from Youth team to First team.


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Article posted on the other site about Maruc McGuanes move from Arsenal to Barcelona B. Where he talks about the difficulty in moving from the youth set up to the first team in the Premier League. Interesting stuff, and highlights the fact that changes need to be made in this country if youngsters are to get a better chance of playing for their parent club.

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Thanks for this very good article, one that tells a few home truths about youth development squads at the highest level in this country. The following paragraphs caught my eye:-

“In his teenage years, McGuane was regarded as one of Arsenal's brightest prospects. Yet English football has a profound development problem between the ages of 18 and 21, when opportunities are restricted by Premier League clubs choosing to spend fortunes on ready-made talent. To make matters worse the Under 23 Premier League is deemed uncompetitive by many clubs and young players.”

McGuane has seen the English talent in his age group close up. He has represented England at U17, U18 and U19 level and stresses the importance of offering chances to young players who lifted World Cups for England last year. 'Every manager has huge pressure to win trophies or you are gone. But we can't be too scared to give youngsters opportunities.'”

McGuane's path should become more familiar in the coming years. He points out that his generation have grown up worshipping players and clubs from abroad. His ex-Arsenal team-mate Chris Willock moved to Benfica. Manchester City lost Jadon Sancho to Borussia Dortmund.”

What is noticeable about the tone of the piece as a whole and these paragraphs in particular is that there is none of the usual Chelsea Academy and loan system bashing going on as a base narrative. On the contrary, the emphasis is placed on Arsenal's failures first and foremost, quite naturally in view of McGuane's career path so far, then his team-mate, and finally Man City's Jadon Sancho provides the example of another club's loss of talent abroad.

Perhaps Chelsea have been exempted from naming and shaming criticism and comparison of any sort this time because there has been no real evidence of similar brave intent to leave our shores and go to a European club shown by any of our youngsters, only Solanke, Bamford and Chalobah venturing north of Watford, and in Nathaniel's case only to the border. In the main, assurances given or not, the Academy boys must like it at Cobam and feel they have a good chance of making the grade irrespective of what that grading may amount to - Premier A, Championship B, or League C. That said, whatever it turns out to be, I'm sure some fans will still feel we should be spending a fortune on ready-made talent regardless, dismissing the vast majority [if not all, McGuane included] as being bang average at best, only to want the club to fork out millions for one or two of them when they are proven and are flavour of each season's open-for-transfer months.

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2 hours ago, Dorset said:

 

That paragraph is what caught my eye also. I'm at the stage now that I've seen us win the lot, so wouldn't begrudge any manager who forwent a few trophy's to blood some of our youth. In fact I would be delighted with it! Imagine bringing though a team like United did with the class of 92 and winning titles with it! I would love that more than any title we'd won in the past. But alas, it seems us and every other Premier League team are stuck in this "instant success" era, which quite frankly is ruining football at the moment. Well at least for me.

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On 11/03/2018 at 12:51, Old Shaggy said:

That paragraph is what caught my eye also. I'm at the stage now that I've seen us win the lot, so wouldn't begrudge any manager who forwent a few trophy's to blood some of our youth. In fact I would be delighted with it! Imagine bringing though a team like United did with the class of 92 and winning titles with it! I would love that more than any title we'd won in the past. But alas, it seems us and every other Premier League team are stuck in this "instant success" era, which quite frankly is ruining football at the moment. Well at least for me.

England has all the best young talent in the world. Last summer and winter we won almost everything. Only the u17's lost the final of the euros but then won the world cup. Most of the squads contain lots of our youth players that win everything with England and Chelsea. There is no reason that more of our youth players have not broken through or been given a lot more opportunities. I fully expect a lot of clubs from abroad to take a lot of young English players in the up coming years.

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3 minutes ago, MasonMountXI said:

England has all the best young talent in the world. Last summer and winter we won almost everything. Only the u17's lost the final of the euros but then won the world cup. Most of the squads contain lots of our youth players that win everything with England and Chelsea. There is no reason that more of our youth players have not broken through or been given a lot more opportunities. I fully expect a lot of clubs from abroad to take a lot of young English players in the up coming years.

Ten years from now Chelsea and England will be dominant.

 

Even the young players we sign and loan out to increase value and who many never play for us is a good business model.

It just hurts more when they turn out like De Bruyne and Salah and we are stuck with Cesc and Morata. 

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9 minutes ago, Anglejjd said:

Ten years from now Chelsea and England will be dominant.

 

Even the young players we sign and loan out to increase value and who many never play for us is a good business model.

It just hurts more when they turn out like De Bruyne and Salah and we are stuck with Cesc and Morata. 

Why buy the likes of Morata and Cesc when we can just pluck the likes of Mount CHO out of our academy in the first place. 

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EuropaLeague football will hopefully help the transition next season as there really should be a lot more opportunities for the younger fringe players to get regular minutes.

I will be extremely disappointed if we didn't have at least 4 academy players (not including Christensen) getting 900+ minutes next season.

My picks from the less established contingent would be:
Mount,
Hudson-Odoi,
At least 1 of Tomori, Chalobah, Clarke-Salter and Ampadu,
And either James, Sterling, Aina or DaSilva. 

Along with the more established talents in RLC and Abraham.

This would also give the added benefit of having a youth options for every area of the pitch  

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On 16/05/2018 at 19:05, PedroMendez said:

EuropaLeague football will hopefully help the transition next season as there really should be a lot more opportunities for the younger fringe players to get regular minutes.

I will be extremely disappointed if we didn't have at least 4 academy players (not including Christensen) getting 900+ minutes next season.

My picks from the less established contingent would be:
Mount,
Hudson-Odoi,
At least 1 of Tomori, Chalobah, Clarke-Salter and Ampadu,
And either James, Sterling, Aina or DaSilva. 

Along with the more established talents in RLC and Abraham.

This would also give the added benefit of having a youth options for every area of the pitch  

Would be amazing if this would happen. Unfortunately I don't see it happening. 

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The problem with our youth system is that every year we have great youngsters with massive potential, and as the article suggests their development from 18 to 21 is so poor and they are then forgotten about. I mean just look at some of our past youth players who were so hyped to be the next best thing?

McEachran, Bamford, Kalas, and Baker just to name a few and now look at where they are? its just going to be the same again with CHO and Mount. They'll have a good season now and once they are sent to another league they'll be warming the bench for the season gaining 0 experience and eventually fizzle out.

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