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I dont remember the Porto goal, but the Valencia goal was a tap in from inside the 6 yard box. The goal the weekend against the mighty Sunderland was a free header from the 6 yard line into a vertual open goal. If this is the 'service' he needs then god help us.
Spending that money on a player of his age was always going to be a mistake, our only hope was that he hit the ground running and we managed to get a couple of good years out of him early in his CFC career. Sadly for all this has'nt happend.
When you take into consideration the amount we have paid him in wages as well as the transfer fee, it will go down as probably the worst signing of all time in any league anywhere let alone at Chelsea.
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#22
Posted 14 December 2007 - 11:02 AM
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I know what your saying and if he were a manager here spending the Chairmans hard earned and then asking for more I would be more upset,
the fact that the players we are talking about were both great players (be it before they came to us for one reason or another) and he used his own money to buy them means unless he suddenly pulled out and left us with expensive flops and huge wage bills then it has been his experiment that has gone wrong but he is standing firm to sort it out.
was veron a abromovich signing as most of us feel sheva was?
most clubs would be happy to have players like these and most managers would (imo) think that they could have got a decent return out of sheva (not a return on his cost and wages maybe).
If these signings had have slotted in and played three quarters as good as they were at their best, we would all be fairly happy with Roman for funding their signings/wages (my opinion)
I know what your saying and if he were a manager here spending the Chairmans hard earned and then asking for more I would be more upset,
the fact that the players we are talking about were both great players (be it before they came to us for one reason or another) and he used his own money to buy them means unless he suddenly pulled out and left us with expensive flops and huge wage bills then it has been his experiment that has gone wrong but he is standing firm to sort it out.
was veron a abromovich signing as most of us feel sheva was?
most clubs would be happy to have players like these and most managers would (imo) think that they could have got a decent return out of sheva (not a return on his cost and wages maybe).
If these signings had have slotted in and played three quarters as good as they were at their best, we would all be fairly happy with Roman for funding their signings/wages (my opinion)
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Posted 14 December 2007 - 02:09 PM
As someone who watched Sheva play "in the flesh", both for his club and country, when he was young and in his prime, the overriding feeling I get watching him struggle so badly for us, is one of real sadness.
Sadness that a geniune great of the game, (and he was exactly that), is still trying so hard to be what he once was and looking clueless as to why he isn't.
I first saw him live when he was 22/23 and he was the fastest white player I had ever seen. He was unbelievably quick. He was a stunning forward in most other respects, heading, touch, agression etc. But the asset that really stood out was his speed. That pace allowed him to play anywhere along the line, give a defender 5 yards, and still be first to every ball put in behind the defence. Defenders didn't know how to cope. If they pushed him out to the flanks he would pick the ball up, knock it into space, and, woosh, he was gone. Sadly that electric speed that was such a vital part of his armoury is gone, never to return. Indeed, as some of us on here pointed out before his purchase, the signs were there in his last season or so at Milan that Sheva was past his peak.
And yes, I was one of those who was against the signing of Sheva when it finally happened. Because, having followed his career closely and having noted that loss of pace and sharpness, I felt it would probably turn out this way. And as he is a personal footballing hero of mine, I didn't want to watch that happen. All the talk of money doesn't matter to me. Just as I imagine it doesn't matter to Abromovich. Roman loved him and wanted him and he can afford it. End of story. I'm more concerned with the talk of radically changing formations and tactics to accomodate Shev, because IMO it is wrong. Totally wrong. It won't make much difference. OK, he might score a couple more goals, but he is never going to be the Andriy Shevchenko that I first watched nearly a decade ago. A player that was, IMO, rightly hailed as one of the finest forwards the world has ever seen. A player who could tear a defence apart on his own.
Sheva was a fantastic signing for Chelsea. It simply came about too late. Both for him and for us.
Sadness that a geniune great of the game, (and he was exactly that), is still trying so hard to be what he once was and looking clueless as to why he isn't.
I first saw him live when he was 22/23 and he was the fastest white player I had ever seen. He was unbelievably quick. He was a stunning forward in most other respects, heading, touch, agression etc. But the asset that really stood out was his speed. That pace allowed him to play anywhere along the line, give a defender 5 yards, and still be first to every ball put in behind the defence. Defenders didn't know how to cope. If they pushed him out to the flanks he would pick the ball up, knock it into space, and, woosh, he was gone. Sadly that electric speed that was such a vital part of his armoury is gone, never to return. Indeed, as some of us on here pointed out before his purchase, the signs were there in his last season or so at Milan that Sheva was past his peak.
And yes, I was one of those who was against the signing of Sheva when it finally happened. Because, having followed his career closely and having noted that loss of pace and sharpness, I felt it would probably turn out this way. And as he is a personal footballing hero of mine, I didn't want to watch that happen. All the talk of money doesn't matter to me. Just as I imagine it doesn't matter to Abromovich. Roman loved him and wanted him and he can afford it. End of story. I'm more concerned with the talk of radically changing formations and tactics to accomodate Shev, because IMO it is wrong. Totally wrong. It won't make much difference. OK, he might score a couple more goals, but he is never going to be the Andriy Shevchenko that I first watched nearly a decade ago. A player that was, IMO, rightly hailed as one of the finest forwards the world has ever seen. A player who could tear a defence apart on his own.
Sheva was a fantastic signing for Chelsea. It simply came about too late. Both for him and for us.
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Posted 14 December 2007 - 04:33 PM
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"just":92bdkk3q said:
Sheva was a fantastic signing for Chelsea. It simply came about too late. Both for him and for us.
Most of us knew that though at the time. It was never gonna work out. Never. All the bollox about us not playing to his strengths - what strengths?
For however much longer he remains with us, he would have to do something of huge significance (score the winner in the CL final for instance) to avoid being the worst premiership signing of all time (in terms of cost / return). Others have mentioned Chris Sutton and Veron, but for me they don't come close.
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Posted 14 December 2007 - 05:09 PM
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"just":b113lvyf said:
As someone who watched Sheva play "in the flesh", both for his club and country, when he was young and in his prime, the overriding feeling I get watching him struggle so badly for us, is one of real sadness.
Sadness that a geniune great of the game, (and he was exactly that), is still trying so hard to be what he once was and looking clueless as to why he isn't.
I first saw him live when he was 22/23 and he was the fastest white player I had ever seen. He was unbelievably quick. He was a stunning forward in most other respects, heading, touch, agression etc. But the asset that really stood out was his speed. That pace allowed him to play anywhere along the line, give a defender 5 yards, and still be first to every ball put in behind the defence. Defenders didn't know how to cope. If they pushed him out to the flanks he would pick the ball up, knock it into space, and, woosh, he was gone. Sadly that electric speed that was such a vital part of his armoury is gone, never to return. Indeed, as some of us on here pointed out before his purchase, the signs were there in his last season or so at Milan that Sheva was past his peak.
And yes, I was one of those who was against the signing of Sheva when it finally happened. Because, having followed his career closely and having noted that loss of pace and sharpness, I felt it would probably turn out this way. And as he is a personal footballing hero of mine, I didn't want to watch that happen. All the talk of money doesn't matter to me. Just as I imagine it doesn't matter to Abromovich. Roman loved him and wanted him and he can afford it. End of story. I'm more concerned with the talk of radically changing formations and tactics to accomodate Shev, because IMO it is wrong. Totally wrong. It won't make much difference. OK, he might score a couple more goals, but he is never going to be the Andriy Shevchenko that I first watched nearly a decade ago. A player that was, IMO, rightly hailed as one of the finest forwards the world has ever seen. A player who could tear a defence apart on his own.
Sheva was a fantastic signing for Chelsea. It simply came about too late. Both for him and for us.
Sadness that a geniune great of the game, (and he was exactly that), is still trying so hard to be what he once was and looking clueless as to why he isn't.
I first saw him live when he was 22/23 and he was the fastest white player I had ever seen. He was unbelievably quick. He was a stunning forward in most other respects, heading, touch, agression etc. But the asset that really stood out was his speed. That pace allowed him to play anywhere along the line, give a defender 5 yards, and still be first to every ball put in behind the defence. Defenders didn't know how to cope. If they pushed him out to the flanks he would pick the ball up, knock it into space, and, woosh, he was gone. Sadly that electric speed that was such a vital part of his armoury is gone, never to return. Indeed, as some of us on here pointed out before his purchase, the signs were there in his last season or so at Milan that Sheva was past his peak.
And yes, I was one of those who was against the signing of Sheva when it finally happened. Because, having followed his career closely and having noted that loss of pace and sharpness, I felt it would probably turn out this way. And as he is a personal footballing hero of mine, I didn't want to watch that happen. All the talk of money doesn't matter to me. Just as I imagine it doesn't matter to Abromovich. Roman loved him and wanted him and he can afford it. End of story. I'm more concerned with the talk of radically changing formations and tactics to accomodate Shev, because IMO it is wrong. Totally wrong. It won't make much difference. OK, he might score a couple more goals, but he is never going to be the Andriy Shevchenko that I first watched nearly a decade ago. A player that was, IMO, rightly hailed as one of the finest forwards the world has ever seen. A player who could tear a defence apart on his own.
Sheva was a fantastic signing for Chelsea. It simply came about too late. Both for him and for us.
Nice post Just.
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Posted 16 December 2007 - 06:33 AM
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Attention all.............
Please make yourself aware of the new classification system.
Starting from Sunday the 16th of December 2007, all successfull transfers will be attributable to Jose Mourinho and Claudio Ranieri. All unsecessfull transfers will be attributable to Roman Abramovich and Peter Kenyon.
Thankyou for your time.
Please make yourself aware of the new classification system.
Starting from Sunday the 16th of December 2007, all successfull transfers will be attributable to Jose Mourinho and Claudio Ranieri. All unsecessfull transfers will be attributable to Roman Abramovich and Peter Kenyon.
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Posted 17 December 2007 - 09:32 AM
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Good post Just, i wrote somewhere else that watching Sheva struggle the way he is was like watching Tyson getting sparked by Williams, it is a shame.
Nobody wanted Sheva to fail and he still gets good support from the crowd.
I think the problem is that some could see it happening before he was signed. When a player relies so heavily on pace they have shorter careers than others.
Would anybody want to sign Michael Owen when he is 30(or now for that matter because of his injuries he has lost a couple of yards).
Yet somebody who never had pace like Teddy Sheringham could go on for alot longer because you cant lose what you never had.
Perhaps we are a little critical of RA. He did'nt sign Sheva without anything other than the best intentions, unfortunately it comes back to the same old argument about letting football men make football decisions.
Nobody wanted Sheva to fail and he still gets good support from the crowd.
I think the problem is that some could see it happening before he was signed. When a player relies so heavily on pace they have shorter careers than others.
Would anybody want to sign Michael Owen when he is 30(or now for that matter because of his injuries he has lost a couple of yards).
Yet somebody who never had pace like Teddy Sheringham could go on for alot longer because you cant lose what you never had.
Perhaps we are a little critical of RA. He did'nt sign Sheva without anything other than the best intentions, unfortunately it comes back to the same old argument about letting football men make football decisions.
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Posted 17 December 2007 - 12:13 PM
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"BLUENUT":1mjf1q7o said:
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they got 13 million back for him, not a huge amount. Plus he produced zero for Man utd, where as at least Sheva has come up with the goods on a couple of occasions.
Come up with the goods? Apart from decent 1 goal away to Spurs he has done not a great deal else.
Have a look a the sides he's scored against to see what I mean!
We will not get any money back for Sheva and we're still paying the bloke over £120k per week!! (almost £500k per month!!!) Worst deal ever, you bet!!
Regardless of what we paid for him, do you think anyone else would hire his services for over £120k per week?
And who were the mugs who paid 'that' money for Veron? - to do what? loan him out while paying his wages for a couple of years!!!!!-thats what!!!
If Veron would have played for us against the mighty Derby, Sunderland, Nottingham Forest and Wycombe he might have 'come up with the goods' like Sheva has.
Other chairman must see us come in for a player and start rubbing their hands together! {SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif
Sheva = An expensive mistake in more ways than one!!!!!
Those who think Roman is receiving good advise, and is an astute businessman need only look at the Veron and Sheva deals to question his judgement on all things Chelsea.
my comment about Veron was in respect of his transfer to Man Utd, not from them to us.
and I stand by the fact that "that" transfer was worse than Sheva to Chelsea.
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