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[dkw]

im getting sick of certain people on here giving grant stick constantly, no matter what happens. hes done well since coming in and yet people still give him a hard time. i say its time to lay off and get behind him. any chance of "im behind avram" smilie?

[loz]

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That is the official Grant smilie mate.

I'm with you 100% and have been from the start (some may have noticed  {SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif )

[dkw]

cheers.  {SMILIES_PATH}/AvingYa.gif  like it.

[Chippy]

Thought I would surprise everyone by saying good shout dkw, the mans doing a great job so far and if we had have drawn away at UTD and Arsenal who are having unbelievable seasons, we would be equal top.

[Barn]

Despite my negative posts on the subject I do agree that he deserves our support, I still have two issues though; 1) he was never qualified for the job. 2) He treats us like mugs by telling us in every interview that Chelsea now play a far more expansive and entertaining style of football - let us be the judge of that and he'll soon hear about it when we decide that he is better than the previous manager.

Well done thus far though with the results and keep it up!

[coco]

[dkw]

how was he not qualified? hed coached internationally and in the champions league. just because he didnt have a bit of paper doesnt mean he wasnt qualified. i agree partly on the playing style, though in my opinion players are definately given more freedom on the pitch at the moment. he hasnt had anywhere near a full squad or enough time to change the way we play. give him time.

[Barn]

By not qualified I mean no other top European side would go for a manager that has no experience at that sort of level, accept on occassions when they take a punt on a player that is ready for retiring.
As for the style of football I'm happy to admit that slowly things are begining to look different, and if he keeps getting results whilst playing stunning football (and it would have be bloody stunning to beat some of the stuff we played under our last manager) then he will get the rewards he'll deserve from the fans.

I find him a likeable character and he's clearly a good coach but I stand by my two initial points.

[BLUENUT]

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Don't like how he got into he club, or how he got the job.

Managers are only as good as their results so well done Avi.

Still awaiting the 'style' change but results have been good.

[Nibs]

It's a tricky one because deep down, I still don't think he has quite what it takes to take us to the very top. But up to now, he has done pretty well and deserves a lot of credit.
The last two games in particular have been really good performances, bearing in mind the number of players he does not have available and I like the way he just gets on with it.
If that was Mourinho, we would not have heard the last of the players that were missing and the sending off's going against us etc etc...............

[Liam]

I think too much credit is given to coaches - it's always about players for me. Money buys the best players and the best teams always belong to the clubs with the most money.

Grant has done well so far, Mourinho did brilliantly, but the common denominator is the players, and the money we have available to buy them.

[loz]

"Liam":2d0rje1o said:

I think too much credit is given to coaches - it's always about players for me.

I think that is maybe a tad too far.  There are enough examples of coaches with money failing or coaches with less money achieving far more than would be expected of that particular squad of players.

What Jose achieved at Porto is a prime example and the countless failures at Newcastle are another.

[Nibs]

"Liam":2p9a50gy said:

I think too much credit is given to coaches - it's always about players for me. Money buys the best players and the best teams always belong to the clubs with the most money.

Grant has done well so far, Mourinho did brilliantly, but the common denominator is the players, and the money we have available to buy them.

I'd agree to a certain extent Liam but not totally.

Look at Liverpool at the moment. Have spent loads but are nowhere nearer being a premiership winning team - certainly not under Rafa {SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif

And Newcastle. Have spent a fair bit over the seasons and could spend loads more, but without the right coach they'll still win f**k all.

And Wenger has also proved you don't have to pay top price to win things.

[Barn]

Couldn't disagree more, I don't think coaches get anywhere near enough credit when things go right.  Any group of people no matter how tallented in their field need a great leader before they can acheive what they're capable of.

[ethicalstrategy]

There are two issues here.

Grant has done nothing to deserve stick.  He isn't the same charismatic personality as Mourinho but that's really irrelevant now.

Results have been good (the losses to Utd and Arsenal prevent me calling them excellent).

However, it is still perfectly reasonable to defer judgement on whether he is a suitable long term replacement for Mourinho.  That can only be determined by the success he has with the team. In the meantime I am enjoying my football as much as ever and hoping we can sneak by Utd and Arsenal come May.

[Liam]

"Barn":3ejqt2gx said:

Couldn't disagree more, I don't think coaches get anywhere near enough credit when things go right.

How much more credit could Mourinho, Ferguson and Wenger actually get? These guys are feted beyond all that is reasonable. Since SKY realised that there is drama to be had from the personalities of the coaches the big games are almost invariable billed as Ferguson v Wenger rather than the two sets of players.

I am not saying that money buys success. I am saying that money buys the players (and pays their wages) which leads to success. The right players still have to be bought and it is identifying them that the great coaches do so well (like Ranieri  {SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif).

Mourinho at Porto is the exception that proves the rule. The vast majority of trophies in the modern era have been won by the teams with the most money.

[abramovich]

I supported Grant right from the start, in the beginning because you have to support whoever is in charge to keep the club from falling apart during tough times but recently it changed to respect for how he has handled business and steadied the Chelsea ship through some murky waters.

I have all the love and respect for JM and what he's done at the club but i doubt we'd have done any better with him in charge with everything that has happened to us so far this season.

[The Moos]

I support the team, not the manager. Not yet anyway.

[geezer]

We are just one point behind where we were at exactly the same stage of last season. I find that pretty amazing given the disruption of losing Jose and somehow actually having a worse injury crisis than we had last year.

The boy's done good so far and if Anelka is anything to judge the sort of player he wants to bring in then we can look forward to some more great times.

[Backbiter]

I expected the appointment of Avram Grant to spark off a total implosion, with plummeting morale, transfer requests and the loss of the team spirit that's helped bring us so much success in the last few years.
We've done miles better than I thought we would, and the fact is we're just two injury time equalisers (one spectacular, one dodgy) v Everton and Villa away from being equal on points with the top two. And they've still got to come to the Bridge, as well as taking points off each other when the arse go to Manure. And Manure have to play two more away games than home games.
The man has shown humour and passion that we didn't think he possessed a few months back. I loved his celebration when we beat Everton last week.