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what's happening with the diana story?
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Posted 29 January 2008 - 01:11 AM
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Chippy
Sure I bring it up a lot because he did get the job solely I feel because he was mate of Roman. I'm not saying I think he's a bad coach but did get the job due to his connections not because of his sparkling CV. I'm not upset about it, things like this happen all the time in business life (in my very office) every day but I don't see what's wrong in admitting the truth. When Mourinho left if Grant had still been at Portsmouth with no link to Roman would we all have yelled "he's the one we need!". Of course not.
Why not? Supposedly smart people in business hand out jobs for the boys all the time and it's not based necessarily on the inherent qualities for the job in hand. It doesn't mean they are necessarily incompetent but it doesn't mean they are ultimately right for the job either. They get it because they brown nosed the person required and keep doing it. Why is it so difficult to believe Grant hasn't done the same with Roman? Why if you are wealthy and run a business do people assume you are necessarily always smart and clear thinking with whom you choose to appoint as underlings?
chippy, please I'm a gal, we go for this superficial "personality" stuff! {SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif
Yep I do. Grant has all the charisma to me of a plank of wood but that doesn't mean the guy can't schmooze as if his life depended upon it. And apparently he's renowed for it in Israel and he worked his charms on Roman a few years back and the result is here before us today. If Roman warms to his particular brand of charisma or schmoozability then all power to him, it's his life after all. Just doesn't work on me but then as I'm sure you would suggest it doesn't damn well have to and right now Grant is more than doing the business so who cares. {SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif
Yes we do see things differently but then if everyone agreed with everyone else on here then it would be pretty dull - like a Grant post match press conference really.
I wish he could get me out of bed in the mornings though, I was late for work yesterday.
Well so far it appears that the team's motivation is unchanged aside from what it was before this arrival so good for him and give the man a gold star.
You're really stretching a point here I feel.
Jose came to Chelsea with a CV which proved that he had the right to be called an excellent coach, yes he was an interpreter at the start and he was given his chance as you say but after that his rise was very swift - seven years. Grant has no such sparkling CV to fall back on, yes he could well gain one but to date he has earned little of note, he's been coaching in Israel for 20 odd years, knows a lot of people apparently in football (due to said schmoozability above), yet he never found his way out of coaching there to bigger things and this despite knowing enough people that if he was really that talented surely he would have been "given a chance" to make his way to glory like Jose did much earlier on? Only meeting Roman changed that for him, may be it was on merit may be not, may be the guy is a very slow starter? May be there were problems due to race/religion or he didn't fancy moving abroad I don't know. It just seems a bit late in the day at 53 (?) to suddenly discover this guy is in fact the new Arsene Wenger and yet no one knew it until Roman happened to walk by.
However, if he is then great Roman has hit pay dirt twice in four years in the coaching department and he has my congratulations.
And why would Porto collapse without Jose? It's a strong team, with quality players, experience in Europe, the biggest club in it's league, apparently financially secure I believe and a continual supply of good hungry young players which are keen to go there year after year. So no big deal, sure he took some players with him when he left but they recovered so what? I'm sure the Porto fans are just as happy with their club now as they were under Mourinho whilst recognizing his legacy to the club due to the success in Europe. Will Manchester Utd shut up shop when Fergie retires? Did Madrid collapse after Capello left after doing such a good job? Is there life after Mourinho at Chelsea? Well rather like Porto I would say of course there is why on earth not! There are other top class coaches out there, other "special ones". My point is that I just dont know if Grant is the next one to continue that legacy on that's all long term.
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For someone who wants Grant to be proved excellent and not just the Bosses mate you sure do bring it up a lot
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give Roman credit at least that he is not silly enough to just "give the job to a mate" the bloke has proved already that he is an able manager and mate or not it was not a mistake to appoint him once the Roman Jose situation got too much, something had to give and I am thankful Grant was there to pick up the pieces,
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Why worry about the mans persona so much? If you want entertaining quips thats fine but he has a sense of humour it's just he also has a tough job and is fully concentrated on it, I feel his personality will come through once he fully shapes the team and has all his players at his disposal, mind you it wouldn't worry me if he was deaf and dumb so long as he keeps going as he is, if I want to be entertained, I watch the Football.
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You think he sweettalked his way into Roman's good books to become his trusted friend unyet his dour boring persona has failed to have such an effect on you and many others...
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you dont want to be kept waiting too long whereas I am amazed at how soon we have got a head of steam going? we do see things very differently.
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His job is not to motivate you though is it? and you, I nor most on here can have much idea of his motivation skills although I look at the teams performances for clues,
Well so far it appears that the team's motivation is unchanged aside from what it was before this arrival so good for him and give the man a gold star.
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its odd though how the interpreter at Barca turned out such a good coach, bet he never put a cone out, see what can happen if you give some people a chance?
yes Jose done great at Porto but have they collapsed without him? have a look at the Portugese league table.
yes Jose done great at Porto but have they collapsed without him? have a look at the Portugese league table.
Jose came to Chelsea with a CV which proved that he had the right to be called an excellent coach, yes he was an interpreter at the start and he was given his chance as you say but after that his rise was very swift - seven years. Grant has no such sparkling CV to fall back on, yes he could well gain one but to date he has earned little of note, he's been coaching in Israel for 20 odd years, knows a lot of people apparently in football (due to said schmoozability above), yet he never found his way out of coaching there to bigger things and this despite knowing enough people that if he was really that talented surely he would have been "given a chance" to make his way to glory like Jose did much earlier on? Only meeting Roman changed that for him, may be it was on merit may be not, may be the guy is a very slow starter? May be there were problems due to race/religion or he didn't fancy moving abroad I don't know. It just seems a bit late in the day at 53 (?) to suddenly discover this guy is in fact the new Arsene Wenger and yet no one knew it until Roman happened to walk by.
However, if he is then great Roman has hit pay dirt twice in four years in the coaching department and he has my congratulations.
And why would Porto collapse without Jose? It's a strong team, with quality players, experience in Europe, the biggest club in it's league, apparently financially secure I believe and a continual supply of good hungry young players which are keen to go there year after year. So no big deal, sure he took some players with him when he left but they recovered so what? I'm sure the Porto fans are just as happy with their club now as they were under Mourinho whilst recognizing his legacy to the club due to the success in Europe. Will Manchester Utd shut up shop when Fergie retires? Did Madrid collapse after Capello left after doing such a good job? Is there life after Mourinho at Chelsea? Well rather like Porto I would say of course there is why on earth not! There are other top class coaches out there, other "special ones". My point is that I just dont know if Grant is the next one to continue that legacy on that's all long term.
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Posted 29 January 2008 - 02:27 AM
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everything you expected and less
apparently the bodyguard got no compensation for his injuries!
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Posted 29 January 2008 - 12:14 PM
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Chippy
Sure I bring it up a lot because he did get the job solely I feel because he was mate of Roman. I'm not saying I think he's a bad coach but did get the job due to his connections not because of his sparkling CV. I'm not upset about it, things like this happen all the time in business life (in my very office) every day but I don't see what's wrong in admitting the truth. When Mourinho left if Grant had still been at Portsmouth with no link to Roman would we all have yelled "he's the one we need!". Of course not.
Why not? Supposedly smart people in business hand out jobs for the boys all the time and it's not based necessarily on the inherent qualities for the job in hand. It doesn't mean they are necessarily incompetent but it doesn't mean they are ultimately right for the job either. They get it because they brown nosed the person required and keep doing it. Why is it so difficult to believe Grant hasn't done the same with Roman? Why if you are wealthy and run a business do people assume you are necessarily always smart and clear thinking with whom you choose to appoint as underlings?
chippy, please I'm a gal, we go for this superficial "personality" stuff! {SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif
Yep I do. Grant has all the charisma to me of a plank of wood but that doesn't mean the guy can't schmooze as if his life depended upon it. And apparently he's renowed for it in Israel and he worked his charms on Roman a few years back and the result is here before us today. If Roman warms to his particular brand of charisma or schmoozability then all power to him, it's his life after all. Just doesn't work on me but then as I'm sure you would suggest it doesn't damn well have to and right now Grant is more than doing the business so who cares. {SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif
Yes we do see things differently but then if everyone agreed with everyone else on here then it would be pretty dull - like a Grant post match press conference really.
I wish he could get me out of bed in the mornings though, I was late for work yesterday.
Well so far it appears that the team's motivation is unchanged aside from what it was before this arrival so good for him and give the man a gold star.
You're really stretching a point here I feel.
Jose came to Chelsea with a CV which proved that he had the right to be called an excellent coach, yes he was an interpreter at the start and he was given his chance as you say but after that his rise was very swift - seven years. Grant has no such sparkling CV to fall back on, yes he could well gain one but to date he has earned little of note, he's been coaching in Israel for 20 odd years, knows a lot of people apparently in football (due to said schmoozability above), yet he never found his way out of coaching there to bigger things and this despite knowing enough people that if he was really that talented surely he would have been "given a chance" to make his way to glory like Jose did much earlier on? Only meeting Roman changed that for him, may be it was on merit may be not, may be the guy is a very slow starter? May be there were problems due to race/religion or he didn't fancy moving abroad I don't know. It just seems a bit late in the day at 53 (?) to suddenly discover this guy is in fact the new Arsene Wenger and yet no one knew it until Roman happened to walk by.
However, if he is then great Roman has hit pay dirt twice in four years in the coaching department and he has my congratulations.
And why would Porto collapse without Jose? It's a strong team, with quality players, experience in Europe, the biggest club in it's league, apparently financially secure I believe and a continual supply of good hungry young players which are keen to go there year after year. So no big deal, sure he took some players with him when he left but they recovered so what? I'm sure the Porto fans are just as happy with their club now as they were under Mourinho whilst recognizing his legacy to the club due to the success in Europe. Will Manchester Utd shut up shop when Fergie retires? Did Madrid collapse after Capello left after doing such a good job? Is there life after Mourinho at Chelsea? Well rather like Porto I would say of course there is why on earth not! There are other top class coaches out there, other "special ones". My point is that I just dont know if Grant is the next one to continue that legacy on that's all long term.
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For someone who wants Grant to be proved excellent and not just the Bosses mate you sure do bring it up a lot
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give Roman credit at least that he is not silly enough to just "give the job to a mate" the bloke has proved already that he is an able manager and mate or not it was not a mistake to appoint him once the Roman Jose situation got too much, something had to give and I am thankful Grant was there to pick up the pieces,
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Why worry about the mans persona so much? If you want entertaining quips thats fine but he has a sense of humour it's just he also has a tough job and is fully concentrated on it, I feel his personality will come through once he fully shapes the team and has all his players at his disposal, mind you it wouldn't worry me if he was deaf and dumb so long as he keeps going as he is, if I want to be entertained, I watch the Football.
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You think he sweettalked his way into Roman's good books to become his trusted friend unyet his dour boring persona has failed to have such an effect on you and many others...
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you dont want to be kept waiting too long whereas I am amazed at how soon we have got a head of steam going? we do see things very differently.
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His job is not to motivate you though is it? and you, I nor most on here can have much idea of his motivation skills although I look at the teams performances for clues,
Well so far it appears that the team's motivation is unchanged aside from what it was before this arrival so good for him and give the man a gold star.
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its odd though how the interpreter at Barca turned out such a good coach, bet he never put a cone out, see what can happen if you give some people a chance?
yes Jose done great at Porto but have they collapsed without him? have a look at the Portugese league table.
yes Jose done great at Porto but have they collapsed without him? have a look at the Portugese league table.
Jose came to Chelsea with a CV which proved that he had the right to be called an excellent coach, yes he was an interpreter at the start and he was given his chance as you say but after that his rise was very swift - seven years. Grant has no such sparkling CV to fall back on, yes he could well gain one but to date he has earned little of note, he's been coaching in Israel for 20 odd years, knows a lot of people apparently in football (due to said schmoozability above), yet he never found his way out of coaching there to bigger things and this despite knowing enough people that if he was really that talented surely he would have been "given a chance" to make his way to glory like Jose did much earlier on? Only meeting Roman changed that for him, may be it was on merit may be not, may be the guy is a very slow starter? May be there were problems due to race/religion or he didn't fancy moving abroad I don't know. It just seems a bit late in the day at 53 (?) to suddenly discover this guy is in fact the new Arsene Wenger and yet no one knew it until Roman happened to walk by.
However, if he is then great Roman has hit pay dirt twice in four years in the coaching department and he has my congratulations.
And why would Porto collapse without Jose? It's a strong team, with quality players, experience in Europe, the biggest club in it's league, apparently financially secure I believe and a continual supply of good hungry young players which are keen to go there year after year. So no big deal, sure he took some players with him when he left but they recovered so what? I'm sure the Porto fans are just as happy with their club now as they were under Mourinho whilst recognizing his legacy to the club due to the success in Europe. Will Manchester Utd shut up shop when Fergie retires? Did Madrid collapse after Capello left after doing such a good job? Is there life after Mourinho at Chelsea? Well rather like Porto I would say of course there is why on earth not! There are other top class coaches out there, other "special ones". My point is that I just dont know if Grant is the next one to continue that legacy on that's all long term.
Nice Post Gal {SMILIES_PATH}/happy0034.gif
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Posted 29 January 2008 - 12:28 PM
"gullit4":3ntgyldh said:
apparently the bodyguard got no compensation for his injuries!
I dont think the compensation is an issue here,
I would regard the fact that Paul Burrel has dismissed rumours that Diana was to get engaged as the most revealing and noteworthy point.
nice thread hijack mate and much more interesting {SMILIES_PATH}/happy0034.gif
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Posted 29 January 2008 - 01:05 PM
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a warm glow oozing all over, the joy of reconciliation
It's still a bit irritating when a news headline of "Divorced Mother of two dies in Drunken Driver Crash" merits a multi-million pound inquest in a different country to the afore-mentioned car crash
And she used to make herself puke after dinner
Kev
And she used to make herself puke after dinner
Kev
#27
Posted 29 January 2008 - 01:13 PM
And she used to make herself puke after dinner
i heard she enjoyed the company of men too.
i heard she enjoyed the company of men too.
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Posted 29 January 2008 - 06:34 PM
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everything you expected and less
I heard she was in love with another guy, and didn't want to get married again.
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