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  1. BLueFirm

    Our New Stadium

    Evening all. Cheers to all who have posted here so far. Managed to get down to the consultation / exhibition yesterday. Overall it seems to be coming together nicely and is a fairly impressive proposal in my opinion. I will endeavour to summarise a few points from my discussions and hope not to repeat what has already been said as best possible. Architecturally, I have faith in what I've seen that the stadium will be both iconic and cater appropriately for the club's needs. I think there's good clarity in the way the design has been formulated and they have done well to maximise the proposal within the constraints of the site. Personally I like the monumental scale and style. The proposal seems reminiscent of Grundtvigs Church in Denmark (see below) - extensive use of brickwork, buttressing, verticality, monumental scale, etc. I'm confident that Herzog & de Mueron will deliver an outstanding building. I was told that the facing side of the brick piers (as seen in the proposed visualisation image with the old shed wall on the right) will have bricks that have been cut in half, in order to provide a varying texture. Most of my questions were geared around the allocation of tickets and atmosphere. I had heard differing views on where the tickets will be going, with some suggesting there would be as little as 750 extra season tickets. I was told that the additional 18000 seats will be around a 50-50 split between corporate/hospitality and general admission. 10% of the current stadium is set aside for corporate/hospitality and the rebuild will have 25% of the total seating as corporate/hospitality. The bloke I spoke to was very open about the fact that this is a conscious effort and the additional corporate seats will triple our matchday hospitality income. Indicative of the times I guess. There will be a new 'bronze' club level bracket of ticket but this will also be part of of the hospitality allocation. The corporate/hospitality seating will be located in the middle tier within the West and East (as it is now). Much of the club level seating will be located within the West (and East?) upper tier, focused around the halfway line as these are seen as the most 'desirable' seats. I have seen people commenting on the irregular vomitories emerging on the upper tier. The upper tier will be reachable from two separate floors, hence the difference in height. I was told that great consideration had gone into this and that the different floors and vomitories (coupled with barriers and stewards) would mean that the West and East upper tiers could be a mix of club level tickets and general admission. Not 100% on how that will work logistically but that was the information I got. The middle tier in the North and South stands will be general admission. All the tiers have been designed to have the optimum pitch for spectators view. I was told that the pitch of the tiers had actually been increased a few degrees above what is allowed resulting in steeper stands and a more enclosed stadium. The distance from the back row of seats in the upper tier to the pitch conforms comfortably with guidelines apparently, again highlighting that the stadium should feel fairly intimate and more enclosed than other similarly sized stadia. All seats everywhere in the ground will have a sightline to the back row of the upper tier opposite them. This will resolve the issue of any restricted views (e.g. the current MHL from about row DD backwards). The North and South lower tiers will have provision for safe standing should it be brought in. The enclosed design and 'acoustically treated' roof panels will both have a substantial impact on augmenting the acoustics of the stadium compared to the current arrangement. I did ask about demographic and what plans the club had to actively encourage a good atmosphere, but the bloke I spoke with got quite shirty and essentially said "well people should sing more, they don't now". A bit of a cop out in my book. Hopefully we will see the club be more proactive in time. There are no plans for a singing section as I understand. I was told there would be around 5000 additional season tickets made available. This is very different to what I've heard from some sources, and the bloke did seem a bit unsure I must say. I would hope it is around that figure. There will be around double the amount of tickets for young people, and the club are actively looking to encourage a younger demographic (with the average age of a season ticket holder at around 50). Whether this is true who knows, I'll believe it when I see it. The general impression I got from discussions with various members of staff was that the scheme is still at a reasonably basic level of refinement, and actually changed a lot off the back of the first consultation and only recently did it all begin to fall into place. It seems there has been a lot of back and forth between all involved parties (architects, structural engineers, planners, etc.) to ensure that a 60000 seater stadium was logistically possible on the site, and this has only been realised in the last few months (so it seems). The scale model of the proposal was put together very last minute for the exhibition, and it seems that there are a lot of issues still to be resolved. I think this should explain the lack of refinement in areas (particularly the interior of the stadium) and we will see a much better final result. I include a link to a folder of images I have put together of the exhibition, both my own and also images of come across from various other sources. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rgk826m4gsvrgwa/AAATEffxTX9rntDy6t5fNoKya?dl=0
    5 points
  2. AlexTommo

    Following our ex`s...

    Super Frankie's in the Guinness Book of Records.
    3 points
  3. Imran_CFC

    Ruben Loftus-Cheek

    If integrating 2 young players into a team which walked the league the year before costs us a Champions League spot than I would lay more blame on the 9 others and the Manager than the 2 lads.
    3 points
  4. SydneyChelsea

    Cesc Fabregas

    Fabregas was the first in a long line of failures that underlined Wenger's inability to build a serious team. Instead of building a team to support the likes of Fabregas, Nasri and van Persie, he ran them into the ground and wondered why they jumped ship at the first opportunity. Eder: As for Barcelona, you obviously didn't watch him when he first played. Fabregas' "downfall" was having to be moved into central midfield to be groomed as Xavi's replacement but his first season at Barcelona proved he is far, far more effective further forward in either a false 9 or no. 10 position. Considering the two players competing for those positions were Messi and Iniesta, as soon as they returned from injury Fabregas was relegated to a bit part role. Similar to Alexis Sanchez, Fabregas was a great player who was in the unfortunate position of competing for a spot with one of the greatest of all time. But his "problems" at Barcelona are alarmingly like the criticisms that many Chelsea fans have pointed out over the past weeks. Simply, he is both wasted and useless in a deeper central midfield role. I think coaches look at his ability and assume he is content with pinging long passes to wingers or strikers bu Fabregas is not a Xavi or Pirlo style of player. He's a far more attacking player who does his best work in the box or the attacking third and should only be used as a deep midfielder in very specific circumstances. The exact same criticisms that Barcelona fans levelled - speculative passing, lack of movement, unwillingness to press opposition midfielders, weak in the tackle - are exactly what has been said on repeat recently.
    2 points
  5. big blue

    Ruben Loftus-Cheek

    I think rlc is good enough to start next to matic now. Mikel has his limitations, ramires has probably had 2 good games in the last 2 seasons, and fabregas is looking way off the pace. There is always talk about integrating youth, but in the vast majority of cases, young players only get a chance due to injuries or poor results. At chelsea this has rarely been the case. I think rlc will be the main beneficiary of the poor start to season.
    2 points
  6. Barn

    Ruben Loftus-Cheek

    It's not just game time that RLC needs though, he needs the trust of his manager and I think that's where the biggest problem will be for our youngsters. Jose for some reason seems to want to play everyone as a holding midfielder until he trusts them, the only way you can earn that trust seems to be if you come with a big price tag. It's a catch 22, I think RLC needs to play with the freedom he get's at youth level and told to go and express himself, can't see that happening though. Let's go safe and play him as the holding midfielder; "just get the ball and give it simple son". Post match comments; "he didn't give the ball away but he didn't really do much with it either".
    2 points
  7. Spiller86

    Ruben Loftus-Cheek

    Just as an observation. I remember a very similar themed conversation happening when we were struggling under AVB except about McEachran rather than RLC.
    1 point
  8. mbh

    Ruben Loftus-Cheek

    Kalas If Kalas had be given the game time & guidence form JT & Cahill as what Stones enjoy at Everton, then we wouldn't have needed to have tried to get Stones from them as Calas would have been Stones equall or even surpased him.
    1 point
  9. Uno

    Ruben Loftus-Cheek

    I do get your point how ever Juve and Barca play in a league where they are pretty much going to win the league every year. There isnt the pressure that the Premier league holds. I do agree with you about giving players a chance since some of our stars arent playing well. It did annoy me that Courtois just walked back into the team after his stupid sending off. The issue with dropping one of the stars for a youth player is the star is going to be unhappy which causes a bad atmosphere inthe dressing room and say we still dont win then the manager gets stick for playing the youth instead of the stars we have. I think its natural for really big teams not to bring youth players through very much.
    1 point
  10. Army of Darkness is magnificent fun, just plain dumb fun.
    1 point
  11. Jonty

    Cesc Fabregas

    You see now you've f**ked up, because before it was somewhat plausible that you were just stupid and you could actually elicit a response, but now its just obvious that you're a troll.
    1 point
  12. Yeah he looked good though he also created the penalty he missed. Nathan only got 60 mins but looked lively Solanke came on for the last 15 mins and also looked good bagging a last minute goal Brown got 5 mins didn't really have anytime to show much but played LW which looks more suited to him than RW as he can come in and shot of his right foot. Promising performances from all of them might put a cheeky bet on Solanke to be top scorer in the league as he did look threatening. Baker was the best performer of the day in my eyes but probably wasn't giving as much attention to the Vitesse players.
    1 point
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