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    Shotgun883 got a reaction from mwblue10 in Tiémoué Bakayoko   
    I dont disagree, however we have truly made our bed with the Diego situation, had we played Batman we wouldn't be held at gun point with our other negotiations now Diego has made his intentions clear.  He is either:
    Not good enough and thus we spunked £32 million for no reason or We were incompetent in our utilisation of him thus we have spunked a years worth of development time and potentially decreased his value.   Either way it paints a poor picture on his transfer.  I think he has potential, we wouldn't have parted with so much money without, I just don't think we have any idea how good he could or how he'd fit Contre's system because we haven't seen enough of him.
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    Shotgun883 got a reaction from Kante Conte in Antonio Conte - Now Officially Manager   
    No1 thing Conte has to work on... The one big this I cannot stand watching is players spray balls out to our wing, 10 yards behind the recipient. Kills forward momentum and when you are dealing with Bane, kills everything. Add that to non existent player movement ahead and supporting the ball carrier and we have nothing going forward. Next time you watch a Chelsea match see how many times a player has to check his forward run in order to receive a ball. Its infuriating to watch. Especially when we set up to counter like on Friday
    Remedy, I cannot for the live of me fathom why Fabregas isn't in the team. He actually see's a pass, not just a blue shirt. HYe can play the quarter back initiating attacks and he is our best player at 10 for the intricate movement that unlocks defenses. Why when we have our best defensive midfielder since Makelele, and almost certainly the best in the league, are we trying to play Matic (a defensive midfielder) and Oscar (the most defensive 10 on the planet)? 
    I can handle the front three. I could (nearly) handle our fullbacks IF we could do the SIMPLE things well. Unfortunately we cant.
    What I'd like to see is Matic and Kante playing behind Fabregas. Fabregas playing similar to how he had to at Barce, free roaming, supporting the striker when required. He has the game intelligence to do this more than effectively than Oscar and you hide his physical attributes with Kante and Matic.
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    Shotgun883 reacted to the special one in David Luiz back at Chelsea   
    Neither is Koulibaly who may have cost ~£45m+, or a 36yr old JT?
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    Shotgun883 got a reaction from the special one in David Luiz back at Chelsea   
    Reasonably happy with the signing. Love his personality, hopefully Kante and Matic in the middle allow a bit of cover when he does go walkies. Not super happy about the fee but he is a better CB than Cahill and more athletic than an aging JT, at 29 we can reasonably expect him to see out a 4-5 year contract which if he does will be worthwhile. With him and Alonso I feel we have met the needs of the squad if not with our first choice players we've certainly done better than Papy, Hector and Miazga last year. We have to remember that;
    1.) We literally are desperate
    2.) He wants to come
    3.) We havent even been linked with a better CB this summer
    4.) If he cements himself in the first team, Terry moving on next year and Christiansen coming into the squad will be a decent transition. Especially if Zouma comes back well.
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    Shotgun883 got a reaction from Droogba in The John Terry Appreciation Thread   
    Happy with the news, I hope the "new role" he mentioned was a slight step back in playing terms and a much bigger role in coaching. Maybe a move to Club Captain and play a big part in the team/staff interface.
     
    I don't know whether it's a testimony to JT or a damning indictment of Emenalo that at 35 he's still our best defender. It is certainly is better to keep him in that release him and hope to buy a quality replacement.
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    Shotgun883 got a reaction from offside in The John Terry Appreciation Thread   
    Happy with the news, I hope the "new role" he mentioned was a slight step back in playing terms and a much bigger role in coaching. Maybe a move to Club Captain and play a big part in the team/staff interface.
     
    I don't know whether it's a testimony to JT or a damning indictment of Emenalo that at 35 he's still our best defender. It is certainly is better to keep him in that release him and hope to buy a quality replacement.
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    Shotgun883 got a reaction from ashwin in Jose Mourinho thread   
    Not sure how I feel about this. He's one of the best managers in the world and I hope he gets the England job at some point. However I'm not sure the club was heading in the right direction even when he was winning but now we need to find the right manager for the job. This squad is too good for a jobs worth manager to take over. We NEED someone who has the ability to holistically develop the squad. This was never going to be Jose and I'm not sure it was ever the right appointment. But who? Ancelotti plays good football, but we've burnt that bridge once, Pep is another short term manager but we'd play great football, Klopp would have been good, Pottechino? Rogers? Martinez? I would definitely say NOT Simeone or Bielsa but that just means they'll get it.
     
    I only hope Mourinho goes abroad, could bare to see him win with Utd or City.
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    Shotgun883 reacted to PloKoon13 in Jose Mourinho thread   
    Incredibly upsetting moment. We all (including José himself) were incredibly invested in the ten-year legacy plan; to have it masterminded by a club legend, and one who was seemingly immune to failure offered us a promise of magnificent and lasting glory. To see that promise in complete ruin is extremely painful, but nonetheless I will always be grateful to José and the massive amount he has done for the club; for me he will forever be a club legend.
     
    His first spell was magic and took us to heights we could never previously have dreamed of. I'm far from a veteran Chelsea fan, and the worst I've ever really experienced of us was the bottom half of the Premier League, but in my childhood I never dreamed that I'd see us win the league. To see it happen so soon, so spectacularly, and two years in a row was a time of unthinkable joy.
     
    His second spell started beautifully; I remember well how good it felt to have one of our own, arguably the most talented manager in the world, return home after the horrible experience of instability and infighting that was the 2012/13 season under Benitez. I didn't necessarily have expectations of us romping home with the title (although in the spring we were mighty close), but the feel-good factor was a blissful break from the previous year; add to that the great moments we had: Torres' last minute winner against City, Eto'o's hat trick against Man Utd, tactically embarrassing City away, blitzing Tottenham 4-0, the legendary 6-0 humiliation of Arsenal, and hilariously ruining Steven Gerrard's legacy in the 2-0 at Anfield.
     
    Then of course came the title win, an absolute romp. We [ostensibly] fixed all the holes in the first XI quickly and effectively, and then strolled to the title. The first few months were sensational, we were tearing teams apart. We even beat Tottenham in the League Cup Final! Another magnificent contribution from José to immortal Chelsea legend.
     
    But despite the pain of this decision, and the wonderful memories, I think this was the right move, for both parties. It was painful to watch José flailing around desperately, casting blame on everyone from the players to the medical staff to the summer transfers. It really was unpleasant to see him in such a position of weakness, the target of every schadenfreude-loving journalist and opposition fan (the latter being more understandable). I want to see him go on and succeed (ideally abroad). He thrives entirely on winning; I don't want to see him fail, I certainly don't want to see him fail here, and it was becoming increasingly clear that he had no ideas or strategies to stop what was becoming increasingly inevitable failure at the end of the season.
     
    I kept the faith for as long as I could justify, but after the Leicester game the evidence overwhelmed me and I really gave up all hope of José being able to turn this around. Previously I suspected a fitness issue, but that would have been resolved by now. Such a long-term, widespread and dramatic downturn in form (to the point that we are not only underperforming, but we are below a total shambles of a Newcastle side in the table) suggests something is horribly wrong behind the scenes. It may well not be something as dramatic as a full-on factional war or mutiny in the dressing room, but at some point José completely lost the ability to instruct and motivate these players (and let's face it, our squad is at absolute worst the third-best in the league), and that is ultimately his job; thus the responsibility for our failure this season lies at his door.
     
    No other manager would have been given this much time or this much leniency - Robbie D was sacked having won the Champions League six months previously, when we were third and four points off the top of the league! (With a worse squad no less) As a result I don't particularly understand the fury being directed at the board - they were as patient as they possibly could have been, suggesting they have learned their lesson of the past decade, but unfortunately José's position had become untenable and this is the right move for us and him. The board have done the right thing; if they appoint Hiddink (i.e. recognising that the fans might want a familiar face associated with good memories rather than a lame duck like Ramos), it suggests a certain understanding of the fondness we have for José and that we are the ones who matter.
     
    To be honest I have no doubt in my mind that any future slumps and missteps will see the return of the recriminations and pining for José we used to see before he returned, but I don't think that will be particularly helpful. I also hope whoever is appointed as José's temporary and permanent successor (assuming they are not the same person) receives the full support of the fans. Kicking off and creating a negative atmosphere at the Bridge will help us achieve nothing. The disgraceful behaviour the club showed during Robbie/Benitez fiasco warranted a reaction - this is not that.
     
    It is incredibly sad, I will never forget what José has done and won for us. I wish him a return to his usual stamping ground of the very elite of world football as soon as humanly possible. Thank you José!
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    Shotgun883 got a reaction from Sexyfootball in Jose Mourinho thread   
    Not sure how I feel about this. He's one of the best managers in the world and I hope he gets the England job at some point. However I'm not sure the club was heading in the right direction even when he was winning but now we need to find the right manager for the job. This squad is too good for a jobs worth manager to take over. We NEED someone who has the ability to holistically develop the squad. This was never going to be Jose and I'm not sure it was ever the right appointment. But who? Ancelotti plays good football, but we've burnt that bridge once, Pep is another short term manager but we'd play great football, Klopp would have been good, Pottechino? Rogers? Martinez? I would definitely say NOT Simeone or Bielsa but that just means they'll get it.
     
    I only hope Mourinho goes abroad, could bare to see him win with Utd or City.
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    Shotgun883 got a reaction from Droogba in Zouma - If Kurt's Happy, I'm Happy!   
    JT got the plaudits because of the goal but for me Zouma was our MOM yesterday. Excellent in a position he hasnt played before. Tottenham just didnt look like scoring, even when they tried to pick up the pace in the last 5 he was everywhere.
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    Shotgun883 got a reaction from Zola in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    I'm a c**t wishing him well, anywhere but at Stamford bridge.
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    Shotgun883 reacted to Las7 in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    He has left, he was a flop, he blocked the progress of much better strikers only due to his wage and transfer amount. I would not have had as much of a problem with him in the squad if he wasn't constantly picked by Carlo, AVB and RdM. There were better options within the squad who deserved to start much more than him. The fact that he pushed for being unquestionable number one after our CL victory, which was not our board's doing. 
     
    Our board and Roman bend over backwards to accommodate him - I've said who ever made the decision to have Torres as our first option after our CL victory is to blame. But people shouldn't act like Torres wasn't part of that equation, he puled a strop after our CL victory and our board were more than happy to cripple our chances in the League and CL by only having him as our first choice striker. 
     
    His level right now is a rotational striker in a club who might have a chance to qualify for the Europa League, his level has been like that since he joined us. If Lukaku, Sturridge or even Kalou were given as much chances as Torres there is no doubt they would have performed much better overall. Not only that but when our attacking midfield was more confident with the player ahead of themit would have unshackled them and allowed them to play with more confidence. It's clear to everyone now what a striker making runs and constantly scoring can do for a side.
    His tally in the League with us is embarrassing, sure when he arrived we didn't have that many creative outlets, but that was quickly changed as we bought so much creative talent that no striker could complain. It's our problem we decided to base this talent around a player who was finished at top level. 
     
    The Era of Torres is one of the best examples of nepotism. It was clear after less than an year, that our board should cut their loses but instead they doubled down and we were crippled in the League mainly because of their decision to try and make it work. 
     
     
    I've never had a huge problem with Torres as a person, as a player at CFC however he is one of the most frustrating players to put on the blue kit. 
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    Shotgun883 reacted to cfc88 in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    Thanks to the negotiating team and Mourinho for finally bringing this to an end.
     
    This is a player who cost the club 3 managers, including a double champion and a club legend, to be fired. He had his way and got the club to appoint the fat one, which will permanently leave a blemish on this club.
     
    On the night we won the Champions League thanks to Drogba, and not Fernando "corner" Torres, he had the nerve to go and moan to the media. It's no surprise why Drogba didn't bother to negotiate a new contract. Torres' demands also cost the club a good, young striker in Sturridge. 
     
    Regarding his "highlights" here, there were none. Yes, he won the corner that led to Drogba's goal. But you can trace back every incident that led us to win that competition or even be in the final. Ashley Cole's clearance off the line against Napoli, Terry's goal against Napoli, Lampard's perfect passes in both legs against Barca that led to goals. Torres is getting cheap praise.
     
    We did not challenge for a league title under him. A 50m player, let alone a striker, should be able to lead his team to a title. Aguero won it for City, RVP won it for United, In 2010 Drogba for us.
     
    Yes, he did score in the Europa league final, but that is not our level. Chelsea is an elite club.
     
    Torres has been an abject failure. One of the worst players to wear this shirt. Take his price out of the equation, he still failed to do his one job on the pitch. The likes of Mata, Willian, Hazard, Oscar were all brought in to help. They excelled but he didn't.
     
    He summed up how he felt about this club by refusing to score against liverpool and passing the ball to Willian.
     
    Good riddance. The club can finally go upwards now. 
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    Shotgun883 got a reaction from AlwaysRight in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    For £8 million, if he stays at the same level he was for Newcastle, 14 goals in 26 apps he will be an absolute steal. Him or Bony backing up Costa is exactly what we need both will lead the line and score 15 goals a season in this team. Add to that Costas 25 ish goals this season and 5-10 from Didier it's a massive improvement on last year. Cannot wait. As long as we are able to replace Torres this is by far and away the best transfer window I think we've ever had... Scratch that I can't think of a better transfer window for any team ever.
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    Shotgun883 got a reaction from Butterhampton FC in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    For £8 million, if he stays at the same level he was for Newcastle, 14 goals in 26 apps he will be an absolute steal. Him or Bony backing up Costa is exactly what we need both will lead the line and score 15 goals a season in this team. Add to that Costas 25 ish goals this season and 5-10 from Didier it's a massive improvement on last year. Cannot wait. As long as we are able to replace Torres this is by far and away the best transfer window I think we've ever had... Scratch that I can't think of a better transfer window for any team ever.
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    Shotgun883 got a reaction from Bobbywoodhogan in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    For £8 million, if he stays at the same level he was for Newcastle, 14 goals in 26 apps he will be an absolute steal. Him or Bony backing up Costa is exactly what we need both will lead the line and score 15 goals a season in this team. Add to that Costas 25 ish goals this season and 5-10 from Didier it's a massive improvement on last year. Cannot wait. As long as we are able to replace Torres this is by far and away the best transfer window I think we've ever had... Scratch that I can't think of a better transfer window for any team ever.
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    Shotgun883 reacted to Blueblur in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    Official: http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest-news/2014/08/torres-loan-agreed.html
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    Shotgun883 reacted to mclovin83 in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    I  wouldn't have said at the time his signing a 'massive gamble' by the club.
     
    I would have said there were some warning signs, i.e. his ongoing injury troubles and a terrible world cup but there was certainly nothing to suggest we would see what can only be described as one of  the worst falls from grace the Premiership has ever seen in Fernando Torres.
     
    His form at the world cup was poor, granted, but international form alone would never be used to dismiss a player who has been performing at his level prior to it (much like Diego Costa was poor at this world cup). Torres had scored 22 in 32 in the domestic season before the 2010 world cup.
     
    His form in his 3 full seasons at Liverpool was in fact outstanding and even in his half season in 2010 where people generally  say he was terrible he still scored 9 in 26 including a performance against us at Anfield which was arguably more impressive than any he has ever turned out in a Chelsea shirt. He may well have had some bad games that season but his form and goal scoring record was far, far better than any half season he has had for us.
     
    The fee was certainly high regardless of the above but I don't agree the signing itself was a gamble. At the age he was at the time (26) and with his form proven in the Premiership  there was every reason to fully believe he would rediscover his best form and play at that level for a good three/four years.
     
    Of course, that didn't happen and in hindsight the transfer has been a catastrophic failure but I genuinely don't think the club were foolish to want to sign him when they did. The lessons for me would be not to pay a transfer fee that exceeded  current market value  to the extent it did and to be very wary of dishing out 5 and a half year contracts at £175/week, whoever the player is.
     
    I am not trying to 'dig you out' by the way RFC_CFC mate, just used your post as a starting point for my rant; I know there are many that fully share your opinion.
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    Shotgun883 reacted to SeanWB in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    I for one can't wait to see this thread locked and confined to some dark archive never to be seen again. Some truly embarrassing shedend moments cataloged in here.
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    Shotgun883 got a reaction from CFC_RFC_TID! in Van Ginkel to Chelsea   
    Good to see him choosing us and backing himself, unlike some Kraken who shall remain Legendless. He has the option to choose a truly great name in European football and in real terms, I think he could nail himself on as 3rd choice for the pivot positions this year. I'd already out him above Mikel and I think he has the potential to be better than Ramires there.
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    Shotgun883 reacted to CFC_RFC_TID! in Van Ginkel to Chelsea   
    MvG has rejected the opportunity to join Milan on loan according to Sky Sports Italia.
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    Shotgun883 reacted to mbh in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    As he put him on the bench he did not give a loud & clear message though did he, to give a real clear message he should have use a youngster on the bench in place of Torres, giving a message that even youth is above you.  
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    Shotgun883 reacted to DenyLu in Cesc Fabregas   
    I don't know what's more shocking - that Bellamy brought out a biography or that someone has actually read it.
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    Shotgun883 reacted to big blue in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    What is black and white is the way torres couldn't live with the competition when drogba was here. He retreated into his shell, and he's gone from being a lethal striker, to player that doesn't even get himself into scoring positions because he is scared of missing.
    That to me is a lack of fight. Torres failures at chelsea have been 80% mental, 15% physical, and 5% tactical.
    He has never earned a place in the side before, so what makes think that he is staying to fight and earn his place back now?
    Petr Cech has been an outstanding servant to the club, if he wants to stay and fight for his place, I fully believe he would do just that, as he fought back from a life threatening injury, to return to being a world class keeper.
    If he does leave after winning everything and breaking numerous records, it will be because of pride and self belief, that he is still good enough to be play at the very top.
    If torres had those qualities, he would have put a transfer request in at the end of last season, having been dropped in place of an aging Samuel eto'o, and an average journeyman in demba ba.
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    Shotgun883 got a reaction from Scott Harris in Victor Moses   
    Way to back a young player there. Is he going to be a world beater? Probably not but he's better than people on here seem to be making out and at only 23 he's got a lot of time to improve . If he can do a job similar to Kalou whilst being 5/6th choice I'll be happy. We won't lose money on him, (we could sell him now for the money we bought him for today if we wanted), he doesn't take up a non HG squad slot unlike Marin, he may only play 10-15 times this season it's not a squad breaking decision to keep him. I'd prefer to have him stagnating in the squad than Hazard or Piazon who could get loads of football out on loan and have the potential to be real quality players.
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