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  1. 13 hours ago, Gol15 said:

    Werner had in 17/18, 21 goals in 45 games. 18/19, 19 goals in 37 games. 19/20, 34 goals in 45 games.

    That's 0.58 goals per game for the last 3 seasons he spent in Leipzig without counting any assists at all.

    Last season he had 0.23 goals per game. He went from being a red bull with wings predator to a kitten.

    Cat Kitten GIF

    We don't play like Liverpool part from trying to press and win the ball back in the opposition half. We focus on being stable in defense and attacking is an afterthought..

    Werner was never clinical, his main point was to constantly get into chances, Salah also misses a lot of chances but he gets into many and scores anyway, in fact last season Salah missed more big chances than Werner in the league and Mane had the same amount of big chances missed but both of them scored 10+ goals while Werner had only 6 goals in 35 games. Right now he has 1 goal in 6 PL games, continuing the same trend.


    Not really an accurate measure though is it? Against Palace, ok played the whole game. Since then he has only started 2 league games. One against City, where tbh we were just way too defensive and paid them way too much respect. The other start was against Southampton where he scored and should of had another one had it not been for VAR. Now the other league games he played was Arsenal where he came on in the 90th minute. Villa, he came on in the 82nd minute and then he played against Spurs where he came on in the 70th minute. I think it is fair to say to judge him this season when he has been given a run in the starting 11, rather than judging him based on appearances, which you seem to have done, because saying he has 1 goal in 6 league games this season doesn't pain the full picture at all.

  2. Amazing what confidence does. Before that goal against Southampton, he looks almost petrified of striking that ball in fear of it backfiring and him missing so he takes easy option and passes. Last night he had a keen eye for goal. Before he scored his first, he was constantly at it and had several shots, one of them hitting the post.

    2 quality finishes and you can see much that goal against Southampton boosted him. It is good to see that he did not let Germany's last game against Romania affect him last night as against Romania he was criticised. Keep it up Timo!

  3. 7 hours ago, Bob stark said:


    What is the difference between 

    Havertz - Lukaku - Mount 

    Chilwell - Kante - Ruben - CHO

    Rudi - Chris - Azpi



    Havertz - Mount - CHO

    Kante - Ruben

    Chilwell - Rudi - Chris - Azpi

    One is 343 the other is 4231

    In a 3-4-2-1, the AM are more isolated. In a 4-2-3-1, there are 4 attackers in the team, that the defence need to worry about. Also we don't play the 3-4-3. We play the 3-4-2-1, so the attackers are more narrower and they are more tightly occupied. In a 4-2-3-1, the attacking midfielder and wingers have more fluidity to interchange etc. 3-4-2-1 helps shore up the defence for that reason as there is extra protection but on that part, you withdraw an attacker in a 4-2-3-1.

  4. 17 hours ago, Gol15 said:

    Several other players have been having a poor run of form;

    Ziyech and Mount haven't been nearly good enough, Lukaku didn't score in 5 games now and Werner has 1 goal and 1 assist in 6 PL games so that's not particularly amazing either.

    Even so we have scored 15 goals in the PL so far which makes us 2nd best, it's just the way we play.

    Generally speaking, 3-4-2-1 formation is primarily to ensure defence is solid. 4-2-3-1, gets better out of attackers. Is it a coincidence or not that virtually all our attackers are struggling for consistency in current formation. 3-4-2-1, means there are more defenders than attackers and attackers are more tightly marked. I doubt we will see it, but it would be exciting to see us try 4-2-3-1 and try accommodate all our attackers.

  5. On 05/10/2021 at 10:03, thebluekid said:

    For the life of me I can't understand how people think he's young. 21/22 isn't young in regards to 'experience' these days. 'Young' players are clocking up 150 odd matches+ by their 22nd birthday. I wouldn't start a job on 50k a year and justify it to my employers by saying 'I might be amazing in 5 years, so you should definitely pay me a quarter of a million for the luxury of finding out'. 12 more months I say before we have to consider our options. I'll get booted and laughed at for this but replace him with a John McGinn and we'd be a better team.

    There are many top players who at the same age were not anywhere near the same level. Grealish for instance was playing in the Championship at same age. McGinn at same age was playing in the SPL for Hibernian. Vardy we all know where he was at same age. Havertz stats for Bayer Leverkusen at the age before he joined Chelsea was fantastic and is rare to find a player that impressive stats at same age. One of the worse mistakes we could do to give up on him. 

    I can't actually believe this comment actually 😄 

  6. No need to press the panic button yet, but sometimes it would be good to see Tuchel switch formation from time to time. Even when we are 1-0 down, we just stick with the same 3 at the back formation. Why not have more attackers and go 4-2-3-1? Because if we often switch up formation, may make it even more difficult to play against us due to our ability to change formation. It also seems to me that the 3-4-2-1 is not getting consistent performances from our attackers. Every single attacking midfielder/winger and striker seem to get lost and I am not saying it is purely down to formation, however I reckon they would look more fluid in a a natural attacking line up. Is it a coincidence that the defenders all seem to look very good in this formation but the attackers on other hand seem to struggle more? ...

  7. Last 2 games have shown how badly he is missed. His work rate, his runs with and without the ball and his ability to draw fouls is underestimated. Last 2 games we have looked lost for ideas offensively. His importance in the team is realised more when he is not playing. When he is out the team, we just look way too static. Mount is always looking to make things happen. Hope he is back ASAP.

  8. On 19/09/2021 at 06:44, ducavis said:

    Personally feel the system has made the player seem more important than he is. I predicted this was going to happen during the summer window, and you have to blame the club for not looking for alternatives. Presently everyone else has competition bar Rudiger, and we spent the whole summer chasing Kounde when signing a LCB should have been priority. As for who we should have gone for, Laporte wanted out of City and he is a clear upgrade on him.

    Personally wouldn’t give him £200k/w, he is playing in a system that makes every defender look better than their abilities. There is a trend in Europe of players in their late 20s running down their contracts for the big sign on bonus and a final large contract. Alaba did it at Bayern and demanded to be made their best player at over €300k/w, Pogba is doing it at Utd and demanding £500k/w, and Rudiger is doing it here. You bow to their demands and your Christensen, Jorginho, Kante will demand at least parity. Bayern moved on and signed a younger player in Upamecano, we should have focused on signing a competition/replacement in the summer.

    The system probably does bring the best out of his ability, but either way he has been brilliant and a major factor in our excellent defensive work. He defends well, drives with the ball and is a leader. If we are not going to reward a player because he is only playing good in one system, then that is wrong. He has been top class and yeah his flaws may be covered in our back 3 formation, but a lot of teams have played 3 at the back and not produced the defensive record we have. Maybe it just means that the team is better using 3 at the back and it is a trick we have been missing.

    As with Kante, he is on more than what Rudiger is requesting and Rudiger is couple years younger than Kante and one could argue he is more important to the team. He is the only player in that back three currently who has a guaranteed spot in the team, partly due to us not signing Kounde and selling Zouma. Also, I am sure we offered Kante more wages when we offered him his last contract and he was pretty much around the same age as Rudiger is now.

  9. Wow. Wow. Total dominance. That second half change worked wonders. Absolutely dominated after that change. Dominated the midfield. If Rudiger wants £200k p/w, I hope the club give it to him.  He is a colossus. Thiago Silva was a boss. He is still one of the best CB in Europa at his age. Christensen was fantastic too. Alonso had another fantastic game, he was simply brilliant. He made a couple fantastic leaps and is able to stand his own against physical strikers. Kovacic again I will say had another fantastic game but he does not get the praise he warrants from the media and even Chelsea fans alike. I was worried about the team we put out as thought it was a bit too defensive and first half it was very 50/50, however that change second half helped us dominate the game.

    Will be interesting now to see if we go 5-3-2 against City.


  10. 2 hours ago, Gol15 said:

    27 PL matches, 4 goals, 5 assists. For a 21 year old that was moved to almost all possible positions and that had the virus at some point this isn't bad at all.

    Mount was used in all different positions too. Started the season at LW, then RW, then CM then AM. There are many other players who are top players by 27/28 who are no better stats wise than Mount was at same age.

  11. Feel for Werner and Chilwell. If there was one game to see Lukaku and Werner together, was tonight. Don't understand Chilwell not starting too. He has not played a game this season and I don't see him starting against Spurs, so a bit bemused about that. Although Ziyech was not that good against Villa, good to see Tuchel giving him another chance as these are type of games we really bought him for tbh to unlock those defences.

  12. 23 hours ago, axman2526 said:

    With the internationals on this game and Zenit afterwards present TT an opportunity to rotate the squad and rest legs ahead of a long campaign.

    Think it would be wise for players like Mount, Rudiger, Dave, Havertz and Lukaku to get a game off from the 2. Jorgi to have both off imo.

    Lukaku's fitness levels is incredible. He will play. We can't afford to gamble leaving him out for this game. Villa are a very good team. I would actually prefer if he was rested for Zenit game, but no doubt he will stay both.

  13. 19 hours ago, TheSage said:

    I wonder if Tuchel will give him a run at the RWB position now that James is suspended for 3 domestic matches. If they really refused to let him leave on loan, there must be a plan in place to give him more playing time. Hope he grabs the opportunity if/when it comes. 

    Only 1 game. It wasn't violent conduct so James will be back against Spurs.

  14. 11 hours ago, ashwin said:

    I've said it previously and I'll say it again. CHO has extremely poor shooting technique (and not the greatest passing range/technique). And that's the one thing that will never allow him to reach the heights of other wingers or wing backs like Hakimi.

    His passing range is one of his better qualities. He is very good as switching the ball to the other flanks and picking out a pass. It is just his consistency that needs to improve but it is difficult when you don't get a run in the team. He really needed football this season and would not be surprised to see him go on loan in January if we continue with the wing back formation as I don't see where his minutes will come from. Personally I would like to see him start at RWB against Villa. A game where we will be on offensive prowl, would like to see confidence given to him, the fact that now Tuchel has said he wants him here.

  15. 1 hour ago, The Don Antonio said:

    Can't believe no one wants Ross Barkley on loan.. He isn't that bad and could actually be useful for us if we ever switched to a 433..

    I am shocked. The second half of the season did not fare so well for him at Villa but first half of the season he was brilliant and looked in line for an England recall. I remember when Villa battered Arsenal 3-0 away from home last season, he completed bossed that game. Scored a fantastic goal at Leciester too and showed he is good enough for majority of teams in the Prem. The high wages put teams off but even if some teams offered to pay half his wages, surely we would would have agreed.

  16. Thanks god for that. We just needed another CM. Was absolutely crucial. A good one we have too. It is just very risky and not helping ourselves to rely on Kovacic, Jorginho and Kante as our only 3 out and out CM in the squad. Man City have KDB, Rodri, Fernandinho, Gundogan as natural CM who can play that role. Kante on other hand is injury prone which means we sometimes are relying on only two natural CM. We are competing for PL, UCL, Fifa Club World Cup, FA Cup, Carabao Cup. We need the depth. Especially after loaning out Gallagher and Gilmour, you would think it is a no brainer.

    Very good transfer window but still annoyed it seems we will not be buying Kounde this summer. We have sold more than we have bought and for a 22 year old who is one of the best CB in Europe and is as accomplished as a CB you can get, you would think we would pay that little bit extra for him, especially now we have the money for Zouma. Who knows next year if Kounde even will join us. He would be also good for playing that LCB role as well as well as anyhwere else in backline. If we got Kounde, it would make it a perfect window as it means where we have sold, we have also bought replacements too.

    I mean if a late deal can happen for Kounde as it happened with Saul, then great. Very happy with the squad depth but just irritated we havent stumped up that extra cash for one of the best CB in Europe currently who is only 22 years of age and will only get better.

  17. This loan would be really beneficial for him. Because if he stays here this season, he is going to regress due to lack of minutes. The talent is there but he needs to go somewhere where he can play regularly. By the end of the season, one of our attackers will have to leave because there are too many to keep everyone happy. And doesn't seem TT is shifting or rotating formation anytime soon, and I can't imagine CHO wanting to be playing as a RWB.

  18. 1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

    Bought back down to earth after that game. It's amazing that any time he comes up against the very top defenders he looks nothing like the bully we know he can be, the top defenders just aren't afraid of him.

    He was tripping over the ball, his decision making was poor (should have played Havertz in for a 1v1 chance) he lost the physical battle multiple times, he wasn't tracking back to help the team. He had one or two decent moments with his hold up play, but overall, it was same issues with Lukaku in these types of games. 

    He should have also been played in twice. One from Kante and other from Havertz I think it was. First half he caused problems and looked dangerous. I don't think most other CF would have fared much better today, especially in the circumstances.

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