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  1. It will be interesting to see what happens with him now this summer.
    I am sure Sarri will want to take him to Juve but with the transfer-ban we can't really afford to lose any midfielders.
    Then again i don't think he would start for us if for example Lampard comes in so who knows what we do if Juve comes with a good bid.
    God I hope not: ( there is a limit to everything and in any case we have pjanic already in that position

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    You think city or Liverpool would lose a world class player integral to their team at his prime to RM? It can be argued Hazard had that ambition always but if we were playing like city or Liverpool I highly doubt it.

    Would a manager leave those clubs because the club didn’t talk to him and the fans boo him yet he does considerably  better in his first season that both pep and klopp and met and exceedee his targets? 

    Some will argue it’s a dream job for an Italian but if we were backing him and he thought he could grow on what he did would he leave early, not a chance.

    We are clearly not doing things right and need a long term strategy but it’s “not about what others think wah wah” and it’s about being greatful for being on the titanic even although you’re starting to see icebergs ahead but keep on going because sailing straight worked up until now and the ships put on some lovely entertainment recently. 

     

    Yes Liverpool did exactly the same thing with coutinho except they were able to reinvest the money which makes a big difference.

    From my point of view as a third party, it's more troubling the strategy relative to managers. Conte in my opinion is a better manager than sarri and was let go because the board didn't support him. Sarri until a few months ago was continuously under fire from media and fans with no protection whatsoever from the club.

     

    On the other hand this seems to always have been the Chelsea approach and even though it's counterintuitive it has worked well now often than not in terms of results, so maybe they will be proven right again

     

     


  3. Atletico would be laughing at us if we do that. He's absolutely awful now and has been for two and a half years. Remember how bad he was his last few months with us? He's got no better since then, if anything he's got worse.
    There's a reason he's lost his place to Morata at Leti. I would genuinely prefer to stick with what we've got than resign Costa, we signed and sold him at the perfect times.
    Are you allowed to sign players in this transfer window then? I understood there was a ban on place

  4. Wenger transformed Arsenal's style almost instantly and turned them into a team that neautrals and even fans other other teams enjoyed watching. Even Ian Holloway did it with a Blackpool team that got relegated from the Premiership. He knew the grinding football that got them there wouldn't be enough to keep them, so he said they'd go out a have a real go, which they most certainly did. 
    Well if by instantly you mean over 22 years that might be the case, I doubt a manager at juve would survive even one season without trophies. In any case I am not familiar with arsenal team roster when Wenger took over but I am definitely familiar with hundreds of examples when bad managers failed because they tried to apply a tactical idea to a group of unfit players. Players come first tactics must adapt to players not the other way around. If a club has the luxury to build the ideal team for a manager then so be it, but in the long term I don't think it's a winning strategy because club comes first always

  5. Sportitalia also reporting he's been released by Chelsea and is in talks with Juve 

    For what it's worth their story suggests we're  considering Frank, Laurent Blanc or Max Allegri as his successor. 

    I doubt very much that Allegri would accept with a transfer ban, a very high risk of failure and getting at the end of next season sacked by your board and with his stock as a manager greatly devalued. Blanc or Lampard would be more likely.

    Best of all for Chelsea would have been not releasing Conte at all, who now is coming back to bust our balls with the second team of Milan

     


  6. He would absolutely do that. He did it with Bayern and City. He has a strong phisophy of football and that is why he is adored and that is why he is so succesful. I think he will stay at City for next season and go all in trying to win CL. After that he could go to Juventus for example. 
    At Bayern and city he spent almost a billion. Euro combined and still didn't get anywhere near the results of Barca. I am not disputing the fact that he has a philosophy, but the idea that you can apply it no matter what type of players you have available. If you have the luxury of having our buying the players that are the best fit to your philosophy then of course you can execute it, if like 99.99,% of managers you do not, you have to adapt if you are a great manager. Sarri played very differently in Napoli and Napoli was way more pleasant to the eye than Chelsea has ever been this year because Chelsea doesn't have that type of players despite being a better team overall

  7. Given time and money, Pep and Klopp would get Juve playing like City and Liverpool. Given time and money Allegri and Simieone would have City and Liverpool playing like Juve and A Madrid. Leopards can't change their spots. Question - which managers do you think City and Pool fans would prefer as their mangers from those four? I'd bet my house 99.9% of them would choose Pep and Klopp.
    I don't care about fans tastes,I very much doubt that Guardiola would make juve play like city with current players and even less so with atleti. In any event the point I was making was different

  8. It's about Allegri, not Italian or Uruguayan football. The AC Milan team of the 80s played  fantastic, attractive, winning football.
    Sacchi's Milan is as far away from Italian football as it can be with the notable exception of his increased attention to the defensive phase but that was thanks to having 2 of the all time best defenders in the history of football in maldini and baresi. That was an exception though that even Sacchi was unable to replicate with the national team in 94 or at atleti for that matter, because the one thing that the progressive football zealots fail to understand is that players are always more important than managers or tactical ideologies and you can't play the same style with any players and even less against any opponent.

  9. Your'e not really grasping whats going on when that happens, we don't just pass it back for the sake of it, we are trying to manipulate the opposition and open up spaces between them. Surely after a whole season of watching us try it you can recognise it by now ? Granted it doesn't look to confident when we do it, but slowly were doing it more and more successfully.
    Ah well that's exactly what classic Uruguayan and Italian schools do since the late 20s but apparently that's not progressive

  10. That's not what i said at all! There's always been attacking teams and defensive, pragmatic ones.   I'm saying Allegri and co play ultra, pragmatic football that was around decades ago and could win titles in England. Pep and Klopp have moved the game on hugely in this country over the last couple of years, to the extent where they make the likes of Jose look like Dinosaurs. It's laughable to think you're going to compete with City by doing little more than grind your way to results week in week out nd parking the bus against decent teams. I'm glad that garbage is dead in the water in our league.

    I think mourinho, ancelotti, Di Matteo and Conte have all won UK recently and sarri's Chelsea is all but progressive according to your definition. Dutch and Hungarians played your progressive style many decades ago. Guardiola's progressive football in the last 8 years without messi,xhavi and iniesta has done considerably worse spending considerably more than Allegri's not progressive style. I find these labels very misleading to put it mildly 

     

     


  11. This is exactly what our club wanted 12 months ago, a complete turnaround in our style, and we got that.
    On Wednesday night Cesc Fabregas was saying in the studio after the game, he couldn't emphasise enough how hard it has been for Sarri to take over the team and change the way we play, i cant remember the exact word he used be he made out its a big thing and much credit should go to him for his work.
    No doubt that's why you need a club that is fully behind the project and I doubt juve can be especially if he comes and wins nothing after a record winning era, which to be honest would be hardly surprising because our next manager will have a very tough task in Italy too.
    On the other hand Chelsea is hardly is ideal club considering how your board is famous for not supporting managers and getting rid of them at the first opportunity, but since he was good and lucky enough to win in his first year it seems strange to let him go in the second, but hardly surprising any more considering how they fired an even better manager like Conte



  12. I cannot believe Allegri is the fav with Chelsea fans for the job. Are they stuck n a timewarp and not seen how City and Liverpool have moved the game on in this country?     He will come in, organise the style of play and make us fairly hard to beat and that will  be that with zero hope of any kind of progressive play. 


    What does progressive play mean?

  13. In Italy almost all mainstream news give sarri at juve as a fine deal while a few bloggers and some journalists and the main financial newspaper give credits to the Guardiola rumor and pep is still close second favourite on terms of odds on the market despite many strong denials from both clubs.

    It could be all down to the usual fake news Circus if it wasn't for at least a couple of these journalists that are usually very well informed on juve and are not clowns, one of them being the one that announced Ronaldo last may when it was not even a rumour yet.

    In my opinion both managers are huge risks for juve, sarri is bigger because his style of play and communication is exactly the opposite of what traditionally juve looks for, with one notable and tragic exception in 1990 with maifredi who was a clown who copied sacchi without being worth his left ball. Sarri is a way better manager but I doubt that he would adapt and due to his Neapolitan past fans would not being as forgiving as they would be with Guardiola.

    On the other hand I would really not understand why Chelsea would want to free him when he is very likely to do better in the second year vs the first and the club faces a very difficult year without a transfer window. I am actually puzzled looking at both sides of the equation so much so that I am almost tempted to give credit to the Guardiola rumor that seems to be totally unfounded based on facts


  14. Didn't we go to the trouble of paying Napoli some 8+ million to get Sarri out of his contract? How come we make him available for 5m? Whoever is in charge of final contracts at the club is doing a really bad job of it.
    So do we.
    Let's hope they make both of us happy then )

  15. He does want to stay in the prem, who wouldnt.  But he'd also not mind the chance to go back to Italy privately, ill bet any money
    If Juventus stump up the 5m he will be gone, the club wont stand in his way.  It's 50-50 whether he stays or goes IMO, i can see both happening, weirdly
    Really hope he doesn't come to juve

  16. Inter is probably the only big Italian club that didn't have a major scandal like Juve, and at least wasn't at the hands of Berlusconi like AC Milan.

    [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] sure sure, other than having falsified players passports, under moratti tenure ( which normally would imply relegation), manipulated tap wires so that exactly the same type of allegations that costed juve the relegation were hidden until they were brought up just in time for the statute of limitation to kick in. Just as a side note the Italian fa prosecutor declared that had they been brought up earlier he would have asked for the relegation of the ones without major scandals and inter was in a position to refuse the statute of limitation and defend itself in court to clear their name, guess what they did these honest bunch?.

    On top of that not only they took advantage of juve relegation but they were attributed one of our titles by the late pork Rossi who was a former member of inter board of directors and by chance nominated temporarily commissar for the Italian fa and who decided against the advice of his aides to give the 2006 title to inter that arrived third that year over 15 points below juve.

     

    On top of that they took our best players for a pitiful amount and were handed 4 years of League titles without competition. Despite that as soon as juve managed to come back they have started to feck up as the usual useless morons they are universally known for.

     

    This justv talking about the last decades, if we go back to the sixties they were renowned to have used doping under Herrera as admitted by their legends the mazzola brothers.

    Yes but other than that it's true no major scandals....[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Ah no wait there would also be a relegation on the pitch that was never implemented due to the war......[emoji16][emoji16] but hey who's counting?

     


  17. With the way Juventus, AC Milan and Inter Milan swap players, I thought you would be used to it by now. You have one player in your team right now that can't seem to make his mind up on what club he wants to play for.
    Since the wire tapping scandal orchestrated and manipulated by inter shareholders there have not been major swaps with them. In any case Conte is not just a regular player he has been a juve legend, captain and coach, assist from claiming to be a fan since a kid. Inter and his supporters have always attacked all he stands for with bike insults except obviously continuously trying to lure juve players, managers and directors to try replicate the successes that apart from the period immediately after the coup they orchestrated elude them due to their incompetence

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