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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from wallosh in Sarri - In or Out?   
    Yes Liverpool did exactly the same thing with coutinho except they were able to reinvest the money which makes a big difference.
    From my point of view as a third party, it's more troubling the strategy relative to managers. Conte in my opinion is a better manager than sarri and was let go because the board didn't support him. Sarri until a few months ago was continuously under fire from media and fans with no protection whatsoever from the club.
     
    On the other hand this seems to always have been the Chelsea approach and even though it's counterintuitive it has worked well now often than not in terms of results, so maybe they will be proven right again
     
     
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from WhiteWall in Sarri - In or Out?   
    Yes Liverpool did exactly the same thing with coutinho except they were able to reinvest the money which makes a big difference.
    From my point of view as a third party, it's more troubling the strategy relative to managers. Conte in my opinion is a better manager than sarri and was let go because the board didn't support him. Sarri until a few months ago was continuously under fire from media and fans with no protection whatsoever from the club.
     
    On the other hand this seems to always have been the Chelsea approach and even though it's counterintuitive it has worked well now often than not in terms of results, so maybe they will be proven right again
     
     
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    B&Wlegends reacted to enigma in Sarri - In or Out?   
    How is this Sarri's fault though? He wanted the club to back him publicly when we went through that rough patch and they didn't. Instead he was hearing the journalists come out and keep asking about him being sacked or the papers saying he risked being fired. 
    He asked them in the meeting a fee days ago to support him (not in the transfer market) but publicly in the media, but they have refused. He also wanted them to believe in his philosophy. I don't see that is much to ask for. 
    The whole point of hiring Sarri was to change the philosophy from a pragmatic, defensive system to a more offensive one. The problem is, these type of changes were always going to take time and patience. If the board can't afford the patience to change style and identity then there will be no consistency. 
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from wallosh in Sarri - In or Out?   
    At Bayern and city he spent almost a billion. Euro combined and still didn't get anywhere near the results of Barca. I am not disputing the fact that he has a philosophy, but the idea that you can apply it no matter what type of players you have available. If you have the luxury of having our buying the players that are the best fit to your philosophy then of course you can execute it, if like 99.99,% of managers you do not, you have to adapt if you are a great manager. Sarri played very differently in Napoli and Napoli was way more pleasant to the eye than Chelsea has ever been this year because Chelsea doesn't have that type of players despite being a better team overall
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from wallosh in Sarri - In or Out?   
    Sacchi's Milan is as far away from Italian football as it can be with the notable exception of his increased attention to the defensive phase but that was thanks to having 2 of the all time best defenders in the history of football in maldini and baresi. That was an exception though that even Sacchi was unable to replicate with the national team in 94 or at atleti for that matter, because the one thing that the progressive football zealots fail to understand is that players are always more important than managers or tactical ideologies and you can't play the same style with any players and even less against any opponent.
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from wallosh in Sarri - In or Out?   
    Ah well that's exactly what classic Uruguayan and Italian schools do since the late 20s but apparently that's not progressive
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from wallosh in Sarri - In or Out?   
    No doubt that's why you need a club that is fully behind the project and I doubt juve can be especially if he comes and wins nothing after a record winning era, which to be honest would be hardly surprising because our next manager will have a very tough task in Italy too.
    On the other hand Chelsea is hardly is ideal club considering how your board is famous for not supporting managers and getting rid of them at the first opportunity, but since he was good and lucky enough to win in his first year it seems strange to let him go in the second, but hardly surprising any more considering how they fired an even better manager like Conte
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from just in Sarri - In or Out?   
    Sacchi's Milan is as far away from Italian football as it can be with the notable exception of his increased attention to the defensive phase but that was thanks to having 2 of the all time best defenders in the history of football in maldini and baresi. That was an exception though that even Sacchi was unable to replicate with the national team in 94 or at atleti for that matter, because the one thing that the progressive football zealots fail to understand is that players are always more important than managers or tactical ideologies and you can't play the same style with any players and even less against any opponent.
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from Gentian in Sarri - In or Out?   
    At Bayern and city he spent almost a billion. Euro combined and still didn't get anywhere near the results of Barca. I am not disputing the fact that he has a philosophy, but the idea that you can apply it no matter what type of players you have available. If you have the luxury of having our buying the players that are the best fit to your philosophy then of course you can execute it, if like 99.99,% of managers you do not, you have to adapt if you are a great manager. Sarri played very differently in Napoli and Napoli was way more pleasant to the eye than Chelsea has ever been this year because Chelsea doesn't have that type of players despite being a better team overall
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from DaRick in Sarri - In or Out?   
    At Bayern and city he spent almost a billion. Euro combined and still didn't get anywhere near the results of Barca. I am not disputing the fact that he has a philosophy, but the idea that you can apply it no matter what type of players you have available. If you have the luxury of having our buying the players that are the best fit to your philosophy then of course you can execute it, if like 99.99,% of managers you do not, you have to adapt if you are a great manager. Sarri played very differently in Napoli and Napoli was way more pleasant to the eye than Chelsea has ever been this year because Chelsea doesn't have that type of players despite being a better team overall
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from WhiteWall in Sarri - In or Out?   
    Sacchi's Milan is as far away from Italian football as it can be with the notable exception of his increased attention to the defensive phase but that was thanks to having 2 of the all time best defenders in the history of football in maldini and baresi. That was an exception though that even Sacchi was unable to replicate with the national team in 94 or at atleti for that matter, because the one thing that the progressive football zealots fail to understand is that players are always more important than managers or tactical ideologies and you can't play the same style with any players and even less against any opponent.
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from coco in Sarri - In or Out?   
    Ah well that's exactly what classic Uruguayan and Italian schools do since the late 20s but apparently that's not progressive
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from Bonzodog29 in Sarri - In or Out?   
    No, he needs at least a couple more years tuition at Russian mob university
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from goose in Sarri - In or Out?   
    No, he needs at least a couple more years tuition at Russian mob university
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from coco in Sarri - In or Out?   
    I really think you should keep him, well done to him and Chelsea for a great and well deserved EL 
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from WhiteWall in Antonio Conte - Now Officially Manager   
    [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] sure sure, other than having falsified players passports, under moratti tenure ( which normally would imply relegation), manipulated tap wires so that exactly the same type of allegations that costed juve the relegation were hidden until they were brought up just in time for the statute of limitation to kick in. Just as a side note the Italian fa prosecutor declared that had they been brought up earlier he would have asked for the relegation of the ones without major scandals and inter was in a position to refuse the statute of limitation and defend itself in court to clear their name, guess what they did these honest bunch?. On top of that not only they took advantage of juve relegation but they were attributed one of our titles by the late pork Rossi who was a former member of inter board of directors and by chance nominated temporarily commissar for the Italian fa and who decided against the advice of his aides to give the 2006 title to inter that arrived third that year over 15 points below juve.
     
    On top of that they took our best players for a pitiful amount and were handed 4 years of League titles without competition. Despite that as soon as juve managed to come back they have started to feck up as the usual useless morons they are universally known for.
     
    This justv talking about the last decades, if we go back to the sixties they were renowned to have used doping under Herrera as admitted by their legends the mazzola brothers.
    Yes but other than that it's true no major scandals....[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Ah no wait there would also be a relegation on the pitch that was never implemented due to the war......[emoji16][emoji16] but hey who's counting?
     
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from CFC_montreal in Rugani   
    well it is hard to tell, but I think that Sarri has asked him for sure and in fact Gonzalo kind of confirmed it during the presentation at Milan, apparently Chelsea did make an attempt but at a much lower price than what Juve required and later tried to swap him for Morata but clearly the board was not convinced and preferred to spend the money on the keeper. We'll see, it is already sometine that I do not really understand your management's strategy but in  the end the results will tell if they are right.
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from PedroMendez in Rugani   
    We do have caldara who is very good but yet to prove himself in a top team, rugani even though was not yet a starter has been playing every year more and was supposed to become with caldara the pillar for the next 10 seasons, of course sarri wants him but very surprised at seeing juve letting him go. He's way better than rudiger btw.
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from Strider6003 in Antonio Conte - Now Officially Manager   
    Conte is a great manager, one of the best at present and the first season was also memorable because unexpected. I always support Conte at least until he does not come back to Italy. Having said that Conte's widows are a disgrace for Juve fan base unfortunately. Our fan base is the largest in Italy but too many do not support the shirt and they prefer to support single players and managers.
    Allegri  does not play spectacular football all the time but is an excellent manager and games like those won against Real and Borussia in 2015 or Barca and Monaco this year have also been  excellent. Saying that we play horrible football is just pure ignorant and untrue and shows very poor understanding of the game sorry. After the first year we saw quite a few bad games with Antonio too, especially in Europe btw.
    Going back to Antonio I think he is not a manager that can stay more than 2-3 years with one club because the intensity that he puts in his job is so high that he burns the candle from both ends and it is very hard to keep that type of intensity from the same group of people for very long. I would be surprised if he stayed on for another year but I cannot see him staying for over 3 years despite the fact that he clearly loves Chelsea
     
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from Theafonis in Antonio Conte - Now Officially Manager   
    Conte is a great manager, one of the best at present and the first season was also memorable because unexpected. I always support Conte at least until he does not come back to Italy. Having said that Conte's widows are a disgrace for Juve fan base unfortunately. Our fan base is the largest in Italy but too many do not support the shirt and they prefer to support single players and managers.
    Allegri  does not play spectacular football all the time but is an excellent manager and games like those won against Real and Borussia in 2015 or Barca and Monaco this year have also been  excellent. Saying that we play horrible football is just pure ignorant and untrue and shows very poor understanding of the game sorry. After the first year we saw quite a few bad games with Antonio too, especially in Europe btw.
    Going back to Antonio I think he is not a manager that can stay more than 2-3 years with one club because the intensity that he puts in his job is so high that he burns the candle from both ends and it is very hard to keep that type of intensity from the same group of people for very long. I would be surprised if he stayed on for another year but I cannot see him staying for over 3 years despite the fact that he clearly loves Chelsea
     
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from leboeuf01 in Antonio Conte - Now Officially Manager   
    Conte is a great manager, one of the best at present and the first season was also memorable because unexpected. I always support Conte at least until he does not come back to Italy. Having said that Conte's widows are a disgrace for Juve fan base unfortunately. Our fan base is the largest in Italy but too many do not support the shirt and they prefer to support single players and managers.
    Allegri  does not play spectacular football all the time but is an excellent manager and games like those won against Real and Borussia in 2015 or Barca and Monaco this year have also been  excellent. Saying that we play horrible football is just pure ignorant and untrue and shows very poor understanding of the game sorry. After the first year we saw quite a few bad games with Antonio too, especially in Europe btw.
    Going back to Antonio I think he is not a manager that can stay more than 2-3 years with one club because the intensity that he puts in his job is so high that he burns the candle from both ends and it is very hard to keep that type of intensity from the same group of people for very long. I would be surprised if he stayed on for another year but I cannot see him staying for over 3 years despite the fact that he clearly loves Chelsea
     
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    B&Wlegends reacted to Davey Baby in Antonio Conte - Now Officially Manager   
    Good post. The part in bold is of particular interest to me, as it was my first instinct when I first paid attention to Conte during the Euros. Obviously at that point I knew he was coming to Chelsea so I paid extra attention.
     
    I felt it was too intense to sustain over a prolonged period. Conte micro-manages from the touchline, continually telling his players where to be and what to do, he doesn't let up for a second, and of course there is all that animation, that intense passion. We know from experience that Jose always falls down in his third season, and that's because the intensity he demands from his players tends to work wonders in the short term but can't last beyond a certain time. It's also I suspect because he only has one string to his bow, and because he can't change the message, he runs out of ways to motivate his players to run through brick walls, which is what they need to do to be successful under his methods. Conte I suspect is cleverer in that respect and may be able to last beyond two years but whether he can ever be a long-term manager at one club is certainly questionable.
     
    Having said that, the job Conte has done at Chelsea is remarkable. Last season was incredible, the change of formation, the winning streak, the coping with pressure, the rise in performance levels amongst all our players including some who were considered journeymen. He won the title with Pedro, Matic, Luiz, Alonso and Moses, which nobody could have forecast. Also the way he handled JT, the way he handled Fabregas, the way he phased out the deadwood. He showed excellent judgement, excellent man-management, excellent tactical awareness and of course he conducts himself impeccably, so much so that even opposition fans love him. We didn't have a single man sent off last season in the league, our behaviour on the field and off it was first rate.
     
    This season the walls were supposedly coming off and in that respect he has done better than Jose because he's been able to avert a crisis and turn it all around. He wasn't happy during the summer and rightly so in my opinion. He wanted players in earlier, understandably. He wanted upgrades at WB and didn't get them and possibly at CB too. How many first choice players did he get? Maybe one. How many players rebuffed us? Quite a few. Never mind, this guy has shown he's not reliant on big name signings. After the Burnley debacle the knives were out, it was looking grim. We went to Spurs and won and now we're on a run of eight games unbeaten in all competitions. We've won every one of our away games this season, including last night's superb performance. All the negative noise from the summer and the Costa saga could have affected a lesser man. He was under pressure but you'd never guess it, and don't forget this was largely without our star man, Hazard. Don't forget also the Burnley game was a complete injustice. The ref gave them everything. 
     
    Stoke away, Atletico away, and City. A tough week. So far so good. Given the scheduling I think we'd all take a point against City, and if we do that would be a tough week very successfully negotiated in my book. I don't expect to win that one but then again I didn't expect to win last night. I thought a draw would be an amazing result last night. This guy continues to surprise.
     
    There's an old saying, "When the going gets tough the tough get going". This guy is as tough as they come.
     
    Not sure if he'll ever make a long-term manager but Simeone is similarly intense it occurs to me and he's been at Atletico a very long time, especially considering his club sacked managers for fun prior to his arrival. Conte probably doesn't want to stay at Chelsea beyond three years. Chelsea probably couldn't go that length of time without sacking their manager anyway. I tell you what though, if there were ever a manager you'd like to see buck the trend it's this guy. He really is something special.
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from EmeraldBlue in Antonio Conte - Now Officially Manager   
    I did not say you are ignorant, but that what you said is. Preferring one style of  play to the other is perfectly fine with me and I actually happen to agree that the first year with Conte we played one of the most entertaining type of football ever helped by the fact that we did not play in Europe. Already from the second year while becoming more effective (way less draws than during first year) we did not manage to replicate the same quality and intensity once we had to play three competitions.
    An entirely different thing is to call our current manager, who btw has the best results so far in Juve history, a donkey or claiming we play horribly, that is both untrue and ignorant. It is not a question of opinion nor a personal insult it is just the way it is sorry. Sadly these days, it is the attitude of so many Juve fans who  act and talk like spoiled know-it-all brats rather than fans for the club, that's the price to pay for so many years of good results apparently, people loose the sense of reality and do not appreciate what they got. I dislike and despise from the bottom of my heart this attitude that is the exact polar opposite of what Antonio rightly appreciated in English fans who support the club no matter what as  long as players and manager give their all.
    Forza Juve and Chelsea indeed (at least until we do not meet :))
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from Davey Baby in Antonio Conte - Now Officially Manager   
    Conte is a great manager, one of the best at present and the first season was also memorable because unexpected. I always support Conte at least until he does not come back to Italy. Having said that Conte's widows are a disgrace for Juve fan base unfortunately. Our fan base is the largest in Italy but too many do not support the shirt and they prefer to support single players and managers.
    Allegri  does not play spectacular football all the time but is an excellent manager and games like those won against Real and Borussia in 2015 or Barca and Monaco this year have also been  excellent. Saying that we play horrible football is just pure ignorant and untrue and shows very poor understanding of the game sorry. After the first year we saw quite a few bad games with Antonio too, especially in Europe btw.
    Going back to Antonio I think he is not a manager that can stay more than 2-3 years with one club because the intensity that he puts in his job is so high that he burns the candle from both ends and it is very hard to keep that type of intensity from the same group of people for very long. I would be surprised if he stayed on for another year but I cannot see him staying for over 3 years despite the fact that he clearly loves Chelsea
     
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    B&Wlegends got a reaction from DidierDrogbalala in Alex Sandro   
    that is actually a speculation from UK newspapers, I doubt it is true. Juve never put Sandro on the market and refused the offer at 60m. The position has always been that he was not on the market and any talks would be linked to the player asking for a transfer which he has not so far (it seems). They now have also offered him revised terms because after the surprising transfers of Bonucci and Alves it would really be a mess if we sold Sandro too.
    Having said that if the price is 40m £ I also hope you sell him to Inter 

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