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  1. 54 minutes ago, Sindre said:

    We all wanted him to add more end product to his game and it seems he's unlocked that now. Two assists today take him to five for the season and he could even had a couple more assists today.

    Could have had a good few even in the games where he didn’t play that well. In other words  he tends to produce something pretty much every time he plays. This criticism of no end product was invalidated a while back imo but it can take a long time for first impressions to fade.

  2. 29 minutes ago, The Don Antonio said:

    Do you ever have anything positive to say?

    🤔 I wonder how we might improve our attack? Not playing great this season but might  Ziyech have made a difference? Was it a mistake to sell Abraham? We probably should have kept Broja around really, right?. Barkley might be more of a goal threat so maybe he should have come on today? Really scratching my head as to how we might improve our attack assuming all players injured, loaned out, sold were available to us. 🤔 can you help us out @USATim

  3. 1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

    I think our formation is not suited for our attacking players and as time goes on there is evidence for it. Yes last season we managed to win but this is why I said that our current tactic is getting figured out now and we don't seem to have a plan B.

    We want to be champions but we can't win against our rivals. The 2 teams that have won the league in the most recent times are Man City and Liverpool and our main rival in the CL group is Juventus, we managed to take 1 point in 3 direct games against those rivals and that 1 point we gained after a header from a corner kick from Havertz so the only goal we scored against our biggest rivals wasn't even during open play. That's not good enough, we are the European champions.

    Fair enough, and decent arguments, but this is a very small sample. 

  4. 13 hours ago, The Brit said:

    Who would have thought we’d have reason to worry about going to Brentford? But the form they’re in and this being the first game after the international break…going to be really tough me thinks.

    Indeed. I think this is a good thing though. Would rather approach it like this than all complacent. Also their impressive start has caught the attention of the media… maybe enough to inhibit them to a degree and redistribute some of the pressure from us onto them. Let’s win this! 

  5. 5 hours ago, mm24 said:

    Don't see why some want formation changes. This formation obviously works very well and it will be even more effective when Reece is fit and we have him on the right with Chilly on the left.

    We're top of the table with Kante being injured, Pulisic injured and with Ziyech and Havertz being out of any sort of form. 

    City game isn't the reason to change anything. It was by far out worst game since that WBA match. City played their usual game and we just weren't up for it that day. No will and intensity whatsoever. 

    Though I posted about it, I don’t necessarily want it. Was just wondering if, with RLC and Barkley back in contention, there may be a rationale for it in certain games. I’m inclined to agree with you (and disagree with @Gol15 )that not beating big teams this season has nothing to do with formation and everything to do with the fact that they’re, well, good teams that we don’t have a right to beat every time. After all, we beat said teams many times last season using 3 at the back.

  6. 5 hours ago, Gol15 said:

    I think Lampard tried that, it didn't work out.

    I would like to see a 4-2-3-1 instead:

                   Jorginho/RLC -  Kovacic/Kante

    Pulisic/Ziyech -  Havertz/Barkley -  Mount/CHO


    Or with a more counter-attacking mindset 4-4-2 / 4-4-1-1:

         Pulisic - Kante - Jorginho - Mount

                     Lukaku - Werner

    I think I read a suggestion about a diamond formation too:


                Kante/RLC           Kovacic/Barkley


                     Lukaku         Werner

    Lampard trying it and it not working doesn’t necessarily mean it can’t work now given several factors I probably don’t need to spell out. I guess the trouble is, though, if he does change the formation, it kind of HAS to succeed immediately. If he changes it and we lose, everyone will blame it on that and it will be straight back to the back 3. There will be zero tolerance there from the fans, the board. Unless of course the change were brought about by a poor run of form with 3 at the back… which none of us would want of course. 

  7. Yeah I’m liking these positive comments. The fans broadly clearly have his back. Having watched the highlights yesterday, I don’t think he was even guilty of any egregious misses. Too much context to some of the criticism being levelled at him on the match thread, i thought (we’re used to him missing so every time he doesn’t score we think “same old timo” even if the chance isn’t remotely clear cut or he’s denied by a great save).

    In general, we should be more willing to give players a chance to shake off their reputation, and to that end it can be a useful exercise to imagine you’re watching a player / the team for the first time, devoid of any context. If we do that with yesterday’s game, what sort of appraisal does Timo get: I’d say something along the lines of: energetic forward with pace, a great work rate, an eye for goal and pretty clinical with the opportunities he gets. After all, he scored two perfectly legit goals yesterday. 

  8. 10 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

    I think it has to be going drastically wrong for TT to move from the back three. I don’t think we’ve had a single minute of football under him without one. 

    Good point. Am just thinking aloud how to accommodate the midfielders. But did he not use back 4 at previous clubs? Has his preference for a back 3 at Chelsea not been dictated to an extent by the available personnel?

  9. Does our current roster swing things in favour of trying 4-3-3 at least in some games? @Gol15. With RLC and Barkley back in contention, it seems to make sense. And the set-up, as far as I understand this stuff, would be two “8”s - RLC, Kova, Barkley in contention there - and a CDM instead of “double 6”. Ok, we lose some defensive strength but we bolster the midfield by using Kante (obvs) as CDM/ spoiler. E.g.


    Azpi  Christensen Rudiger Chilwell

    RLC Kante Kova 

    Mount Lukaku Werner

    select away according to your bias, and by all means Silva, Chalobah, James are worthy contenders, but I suppose no place for Alonso in this system, while Jorginho’s talents may not be best suited to it? Barkley probably not doing enough to start yet but a good option off the bench for Kova (as we all hanker for those days so much) or RLC. Front 3 selects itself imo until proven otherwise. I thought Werner gave us a lot and Mount is Mount. 

    Might TT try something like this? He does seem quite committed to back 3.

  10. 53 minutes ago, JM7 said:

    Thomas Tuchel on Kai Havertz and Hakim Ziyech:

    "We always try to do the best but at some point, after a lot of chances, we have to admit Kai and Hakim are not in their best shape. It's maybe not even their fault. They struggle to be decisive."

    I’m glad Tuchel is digging out Havertz and Ziyech. They have been poor this season and offered very little. 

    Yeah I think whatever criticisms one can have about TT, hard to argue that he’s not fair or has any sort of agenda / favourites. Havertz and Ziyech don’t deliver. So they get dropped and TT offers constructive criticism. RLC gets a chance, takes it, gets selected… how it should be. 

  11. Good to have come through and won that. Always going to be shaky after back to back losses. Let’s hope that was just a setback and we can put it behind us. Seems TT and the team, including several surprise actors that we never thought would be in contention, are still finding their way. Had we not won today it wouldn’t have necessarily meant as much as some of you think. I’m staying positive. 

  12. On 26/09/2021 at 00:33, icecoolguy22 said:

    Could be just me, but in recent years the early kick off game bought the worst out of us. Put emotions aside, we did not deserve anything out of the game, it's a 4/10 performance and there was only 1 winner on the day. Their goal needed a bit of luck, but when we had a line of defenders standing in the box not stepping out, it's asking for trouble. Jorginho was at the wrong place the wrong time, defending in the box 1 on 1 it's never going to be his strength. We pressed them for about 10 minutes and matched them, then all the sudden stopped and let them run the game, it was 28% possession at one stage. We never defended like that in any of the 3 wins we had last season. If you are going to park the bus, at least bring the ball out quickly when we get a chance. Time and time again we over complicated things, 10 passes later the ball back with GK and we actually lost field position. City did an amazing job pressing us, there was 3-4 on him everytime Kovacic had the ball, Pep noticed he's the most likely to release dangerous passes. We could and should have gone direct more, yet Lukaku did a sh1t job holding the ball up when the few chances got to him. I get it he's a finisher, but in game like this where we were under the pump, should have done more "dirty work". Werner was the best attacker on the field, there was one instance he made a run al the way to the right corner flat with 3 defenders around him, and no support players within 10 yards of the action. RLC came on and did a nice cameo, he showed the running and strength we badly misses, think Tuchel realized that. No panic yet, City was at their 9/10 game, no team will beat them forever. The other front runners dropped points, so not a real disaster. We do need to get better, and do the hard work, really missed Mount's pressing and work rate. Chiwell should get more games now, Alonso's limitations started to show, attackers yet to click, and back to 343 as we actually looked lost with the front 2 completely cut off from the midfield.

    Good assessment. Though I didn’t watch the match I did watch the last half hour as I’d recorded it and was kind of curious. I know this was the part of the game where we’d come out of our shell, but I was still bracing myself as the comments on the thread were pretty negative. I was pleasantly surprised. We weren’t that bad. obviously it was too little too late vs a city on top form and they had the clearer cut chances but that’s to be expected as we were chasing. RLC was a real positive. Deserves a start in a big game soon.

  13. Mendy 

    Christensen Silva Rudiger

    Azpi RLC Kante Kovacic Alonso 

    Havertz Lukaku 

    I’m surprised so many of you think Jorginho should start. I am no hater and have defended him many times, but if we’re being meritocratic about it, is he doing enough to deserve to start? Why not Loftus Cheek who’s such a favourite AND playing well.  Is it a CL thing?

    I agree about bringing Mount back into the fold, but maybe off the bench if coming back from injury. 


  14. 8 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

    I don't expect his finger to be near the trigger @Dean , like you put forward though Roman is a clever a savvy individual. It won't be lost on his that it began with just one bad performance under those previous managers that spiraled in to weeks and months of it.

    The players have form in this, deciding they have had enough of a particular manager, losing motivation and confidence, and then half a$$ing performances.

    I am hoping they don't do this with TT but honestly don't trust it not to happen again as it has so many times it is almost in the teams culture.

    I don’t know. I just don’t see the parallels. Things went wrong pretty quickly under those other managers iirc. The historical patterns you mention are valid but are there to be broken and I find looking for the breaks rather than the repeats to be quite a useful life (not just football) hack. Insofar as there’s a culture of player power, I don’t disagree but don’t think this is Chelsea-specific but more a feature of the top of the modern game, with the obscene paycheques etc.

    going back to the initial point about the trend, it’s still very much a favourable one. One day that will change, and maybe the players will rebel, who knows… but we’re not there yet (in my view we are just getting started but that’s just me), so we should just enjoy the ride and not worry about any of this stuff yet.

  15. During his tenure, after every setback, TT and the team have emerged stronger. You have to respect this trend till proven otherwise. Yet doubts are immediately raised after one slim loss to City (is this worse than losing to villa or drawing with Brentford? Relax, Liverpool aren’t running away with anything yet). Ah but it’s the manner of the loss, the performance. Tuchel agrees with you! He didn’t want us to not attack and said so himself.

    As for Roman, @axman2526, he might consider having a word with TT… if he WEREN’T the cold / ruthless guy he is. If he were the panicky, anxious sort, sure he’d be calling TT asking for “reasons” after one bad day at the office. He’s anything but though. After all, those aren’t the attributes required to come out on top in the resource wars in Russia in the 90s. As well as being ruthless, Roman is a savvy operator with an excelllent read of the trend, a great intuitive feel for when to hold and when to fold. If you look at all the sackings bar Ancelotti, they were done when the weight of evidence pointed firmly in that direction. Hardly the case now. Look where we were when he got rid of AVB or Scolari vs where we are now. Not even close. It will take a lot more than this for questions to be raised and I’d be surprised if he even flinched on this result.

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