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Na, I'm pro conte but he has to take the blame, its clear to anyone with eyes that we have played the whole season with basically one center mid. (Makes Kante look even more impressive) Fabregas is so shot its unbelievable, why have the club not got a specialist working with him on acceleration and a bit of explosiveness because the guy can not run.. like at all and bakayoko is not what we hoped he would be.. so do something, recall a player on loan, put Ampadu in there (pre injury) maybe christenson on can step out? be inventive because we literally have had no cover.
 
The guys is clearly a great manager, i'm just not sure he cares anymore 

Na, I'm pro conte but he has to take the blame, its clear to anyone with eyes that we have played the whole season with basically one center mid. (Makes Kante look even more impressive) Fabregas is so shot its unbelievable, why have the club not got a specialist working with him on acceleration and a bit of explosiveness because the guy can not run.. like at all and bakayoko is not what we hoped he would be.. so do something, recall a player on loan, put Ampadu in there (pre injury) maybe christenson on can step out? be inventive because we literally have had no cover.
 
The guys is clearly a great manager, i'm just not sure he cares anymore 

It's like anything, if you are anti Conte, then Yes it's down to him and his tactics.
If you are pro Conte, then no - our players on the whole have under performed.
 

That newspaper lacks great character

The silly season is starting early. Just found a newspaper article suggesting that Brendan Rodgers could be Conte' s successor.

In his last season, Fergie's squad was substandard. Other clubs had far superior squads. Nobody could believe the paucity of the squad Moyes inherited.
 
Instead of moaning however, or feeling sorry for himself, Fergie got on with his job, of coaxing the best out of the players he had, and they won the title at a canter.

Hears the thing... contes number one priority for a striker is not goal scoring... I'm not saying it's not a factor but if you look at his Juve team you had a lot of goals from midfield because he had strikers that would bring others in to the game, both skill sets that morat and giroud posses ( I don't really rate the latter) michy is a pure goal scorer , his first instinct is to turn and go... I just think this is a conflict in what conte what's 

Hears the thing... contes number one priority for a striker is not goal scoring... I'm not saying it's not a factor but if you look at his Juve team you had a lot of goals from midfield because he had strikers that would bring others in to the game, both skill sets that morat and giroud posses ( I don't really rate the latter) michy is a pure goal scorer , his first instinct is to turn and go... I just think this is a conflict in what conte what's 

Hears the thing... contes number one priority for a striker is not goal scoring... I'm not saying it's not a factor but if you look at his Juve team you had a lot of goals from midfield because he had strikers that would bring others in to the game, both skill sets that morat and giroud posses ( I don't really rate the latter) michy is a pure goal scorer , his first instinct is to turn and go... I just think this is a conflict in what conte what's 

This is like saying I prefer Crabs to Genital Warts!! (sorry I had to go there...) 

Dixon and Townsand  (Wash mouth out with soap) then Stien, and Spencer... luckily Gullit joined ... could never bring my self to shout Glenda, don't know why
In all honesty when not on the playground I was a keeper, and my guilty secrete is that i Idolized Schmichael  ... I tried to kid my self that Beasent, Hichckock and Karine were all top notch but deep down i knew... 
 
 

I think there are some key differences
1) Torres was establish in the PL, he didn't have the first season excuse
It's morata's first year
2) It was clear Torres has lost a yard of pace
Morata looks fine with the pace.. passes the eye test here. 
3) He wasn't getting involved in games, he went hiding. 
I don't think you can accuse Morata of hiding. 
Ultimately it's up to him, he has had success in the league but is going though a sticky patch, if he's the player we want him to be he will mentally get through it, if not then i guess he will be of back to spain. 

Have to say Coco, quite shocked at this thought processes. Mostly because although we have never met Iv'e been reading you're posts along with a few that remain for close to two decades.. you have seen it all. Including drogba who was reffered to as championship level player by many. Maybe it's me that has the blinders on, who knows. I see a player that is an excellent footballer, has all the tools and comes up with big goals who is in a bad run of form. Does he need to stay on his feet a bit more? yes, same could have been said of a number of strikers we have had over the years.

Have to say Coco, quite shocked at this thought processes. Mostly because although we have never met Iv'e been reading you're posts along with a few that remain for close to two decades.. you have seen it all. Including drogba who was reffered to as championship level player by many. Maybe it's me that has the blinders on, who knows. I see a player that is an excellent footballer, has all the tools and comes up with big goals who is in a bad run of form. Does he need to stay on his feet a bit more? yes, same could have been said of a number of strikers we have had over the years.

Conte doesn't seem to rate him. I get the feeling that with Conte you get a very small window to audition, and you never get a second chance to make a first impression. Moses and Christiansen two examples of players that absolutely grabbed there chances with both hands and haven't looked back. Moses has had bad games but seems once you have that equity built up conte is going to forgive the odd bad performance. 

Conte doesn't seem to rate him. I get the feeling that with Conte you get a very small window to audition, and you never get a second chance to make a first impression. Moses and Christiansen two examples of players that absolutely grabbed there chances with both hands and haven't looked back. Moses has had bad games but seems once you have that equity built up conte is going to forgive the odd bad performance. 

We could basically say that we are playing with 6 players then, the back 5 plus the keeper, because, Everyone in-front of them has been pretty poor since xmass.

We could basically say that we are playing with 6 players then, the back 5 plus the keeper, because, Everyone in-front of them has been pretty poor since xmass.

We could basically say that we are playing with 6 players then, the back 5 plus the keeper, because, Everyone in-front of them has been pretty poor since xmass.

That was tough watching last night. At one point we looked like we didn't want to score. The reff had a shocker, he went to VAR for a corner and a throw but not for the penalty shouts? for me Morata was a pen, the guy puts his arms on him and pulls him back, morata's reaction is irrelevant, many ex-refs have said you have to go down now to make up the ref's mind. Staying on you're feet doesn't pay!
But, we shouldn't be relying on the reff, it wasn't quite barcelona level, and you can say that out of the two keepers Willy, made the better saves in 90 mins. Always been a big fan of willian but he played with such contempt last night and got punished for his lack of respect, didn't pass the ball, tried to go round everyone, slowed the game down and wasted movement of others.  Baka and drinkwater in the middle offer nothing offensively, the former is so frustrating because he looks like he has all the tools but won't use them! Michy is pretty much done but i have no idea who's going to back morata up, can't see the carrol deal happening and prefer it didn't to be honest. 
 
Luiz demonstrated how good Christensen is, was caught out of position a few times and guilty of over playing, that said he was one of the only ones trying to inject some energy in to the game! I would actually play him center mid going forwards for the rest of the season 

No because Morata actually has a very good first touch :)
but i take you're point. People really need to show a bit of patients with the lad, first season in English football, first season as the main and ONLY man (lets face it) goals either come through him or hazard or not at all, this is the problem. THis is the first time he will have had to deal with being in the spotlight during a period of bad form, every player has to deal with it and so will he, it's the job of conte to help him with that 

No because Morata actually has a very good first touch :)
but i take you're point. People really need to show a bit of patients with the lad, first season in English football, first season as the main and ONLY man (lets face it) goals either come through him or hazard or not at all, this is the problem. THis is the first time he will have had to deal with being in the spotlight during a period of bad form, every player has to deal with it and so will he, it's the job of conte to help him with that 

No because Morata actually has a very good first touch :)
but i take you're point. People really need to show a bit of patients with the lad, first season in English football, first season as the main and ONLY man (lets face it) goals either come through him or hazard or not at all, this is the problem. THis is the first time he will have had to deal with being in the spotlight during a period of bad form, every player has to deal with it and so will he, it's the job of conte to help him with that 

Torres went to ground in a strong gust of wind. Sometimes it looked like he was playing on roller skates.
Morata is going through a tough spell and he does need to toughen up for the EPL. But... he is only 24 and has done pretty well overall in his first season. Certainly more of a goal threat than Torres ever was. Technically he is quality. He just needs a couple to go in to regain that confidence and belief. 

That was tough watching last night. At one point we looked like we didn't want to score. The reff had a shocker, he went to VAR for a corner and a throw but not for the penalty shouts? for me Morata was a pen, the guy puts his arms on him and pulls him back, morata's reaction is irrelevant, many ex-refs have said you have to go down now to make up the ref's mind. Staying on you're feet doesn't pay!
But, we shouldn't be relying on the reff, it wasn't quite barcelona level, and you can say that out of the two keepers Willy, made the better saves in 90 mins. Always been a big fan of willian but he played with such contempt last night and got punished for his lack of respect, didn't pass the ball, tried to go round everyone, slowed the game down and wasted movement of others.  Baka and drinkwater in the middle offer nothing offensively, the former is so frustrating because he looks like he has all the tools but won't use them! Michy is pretty much done but i have no idea who's going to back morata up, can't see the carrol deal happening and prefer it didn't to be honest. 
 
Luiz demonstrated how good Christensen is, was caught out of position a few times and guilty of over playing, that said he was one of the only ones trying to inject some energy in to the game! I would actually play him center mid going forwards for the rest of the season