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    Las7 reacted to That Boy Brandinho in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    Sturridge wasn't perfect today by any means, but at least he was consistently attacking the goal. He deserves to start over Torres.
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    Las7 got a reaction from That Boy Brandinho in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    Long time since my last post, I remember being in the West Stand last season against City - a game during which Mario gave City the lead early on. I remember the lads sitting next to me moaning about Sturridge all game long. Too selfish, always taking the wrong decision, etc I bit my lips - didn't utter a word. Around the half hour mark he setup Raul's goal a few said a few words defending Sturridge at that point; later on in the game he won us a penalty which Lampard converted to win us the game.
    Fact is there was more cheering for Torres that match when he was warming up than for Sturridge when he came off. At that point I realized that people care more about Torres than any other players at the club. It always irked me, since he never earned such support while being at our club.
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    Las7 reacted to Chippy in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    I think there are plenty of posters on the forum who have voiced their fears and doubts about Torres without having "completely turned on him"
    myself included.
    In my opinion hes often been a weak link up front and the last player I'd want with the ball in a shooting position when we need a Goal but when he is in that position I am urging him on the same as I would if it was any player in a Blue shirt.
    My main gripe is hes been given a very easy ride as in minutes on the pitch for a striker that looks short on confidence and noticably uncomfortable when he gets the ball in a threatening position, its a squad game and he should fight for his place like any striker has to.
    I doubt that he will ever be a striker that puts fear into the opposition like he once was and l think this team deserves to kick on and feel we need a new striker here in January if we are really going to be title contenders come may, I think Danny deserves a shot in a few games before the window as if he doesn't get that shot he will almost certainly want out and even though I've not seen anything from him to say he can be a better fit than Torres for us, he has waited in the back up role and not had the time he deserves to see if he can shine.
    A top striker on form, a Torres of 3 or 4 years ago, a Van Persie, Aguero, Tevez, Falcao would have done enough to have us top of the league and looking over our shoulders at this stage (IMO) and the time Nando has had to again be that man looks to me to have been enough if he ever was going to be, I would happily have him stay and fight for his place with a new striker and Danny but would love to see the starting place won on merit.
    I honestly think Sheva made all the same "right moves" in his time here...he worked hard, scored a few Goals but was not the threat he once was and he never got anything like the support or time to turn it round that is allowed to Torres, ok the years were less in his favour but he never went out and failed to put in a shift either, when people posted how his legs were gone and he looked like he was running in sand he never got the same support and he had an excuse for it.
    I don't say Torres shouldn't get our support, hes a Chelsea player and thats enough to say he should but so is Sturridge and he deserves a few starts before its too late for him.
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    Las7 reacted to Zeta in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    That would be fantastic. They can have him.
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    Las7 got a reaction from g3.7 in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    We won't play with two up top because it would make our midfield very lightweight - or we will end up dropping a far better player like Hazard/Mata/Oscar in order to play both. A flat 4-4-2 won't work because Mata and Hazard are traditional wide men who can assist in the defence
    Essentially the best formation with Torres, will involve him being SS behind the poacher but when we have guys like Hazard; Mata; Oscar; Lampard capable playing that position to a far greater degree it's a pointless ploy.
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    Las7 got a reaction from Chippy in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    I don't know what you mean, I doubt anyone thinks if we play Danny he is gonna get a hat trick every game.
    I just think based on the last 2-3 years he is currently a better player to put your trust into if there is a one on one chances setup for him and he is not afraid of getting things wrong. The hesitation which Torres embodies now days I feel rubs off on the rest of the squad, my opinion is that they wonder: Is Fernando going to make the run he should be making, will he go for the 50/50 ball they play behind the defense in front of the keeper.
    There have been a lot of times where we are getting the ball to the flanks and Torres remains flatfooted, behind a defender - when most strikers in the EPL would either try to get in front of their marker or run towards the far post to pull defenders out of position. Torres mostly stands around the penalty spot with a defender covering the path of the pass - while Fernando expects the ball to be played into his feet. There is a reason Torres doesn't get too many easy goals after a touch to a cross/near post header/tap in from a yard away etc, mostly it's because of the lack of movement on his part once he enters the box. Even in his Liverpool days this was a symptom of the way he played he would take the ball into the area rather than be the target in front of the keeper - difference at that time was his capability to leave defenders behind and take a shot. Now days he lacks these key traits, so he needs to adapt his game but he has failed to do so - he still lacks the movement, while other times he is not even in the box during such situation because he is either ran off to the wing or is back in midfield well behind the rest of our players.
    I'd be happy for a player not to be too involved with our build up play - because we currently have Hazard; Oscar; Mata; Moses; Lampard; Ramires etc who can take the ball forward and transition our play from defense into attack. What we lack is a player who is making himself available inside the box for easy chances from open play. Torres's movement inside the box has lead him to scoring one easy goal this season against Reading - where he should have had far more of these tap ins. His hesitation in one on one situations have allowed defenders who are well behind him to get a final tackle in, or block his shots and this has wasted about eight opportunities so far this season for us to improve our goal difference and make live easier for ourselves in certain matches.
    We all know he is not the same player that was taring the Premiership a few years ago, he lacks the acceleration the speed, confidence and instinct he had that - there are flashes of what he is capable of but these flashes come few and far between and rarely win us points. At this point it's easy to say he will never be a World Class striker again, it's also not very difficult to propose trying a different player instead.
    We started the season with two forwards, Torres has had 1500 minutes on the field, he is still not doing particularly well playing in front of statistically some of the most creative players in Europe - so there isn't much to loose trying our alternative for a few games before we make a decision what our options should be in the Winter transfer window.
    Daniel has waited patiently here for a chance, 3 years - he has played as a forward mainly in less meangiful games against European minnows, Carling Cup games with reserve squads, possibly a game or two against Relegation contenders in the EPL. He managed to have a good stint with Bolton being the man who was playing on defender's backs - he returned after outscoring our strike force for 6 months(Anelka; Drogba and Torres); possibly thinking that would give him enough reasons for our management to give him a chance up top. We didn't sign a right winger so he was asked to play there regularly under AVB, he is not right footed and never trained to cross from such a position so he mostly played through balls and cut inside and shot - ended up outscoring Torres and Drogba that season despite going off the boil second part of the season. This season he might have been sold, but in the end he was kept as a back up to Torres - we have two strikers and the second one has played 220 minutes so far this season. Hernandez has played 700 minutes at United(3rd choice), Dzeko 600 minutes(3rd choice), hell even Adebayor has more time on the field than Danny at this point. He has waited enough we should give him a run before letting him go - simple as that, few players in recent times have shown this type of patience without throwing a strop.
    I have very little worry about Falcao's game - I just don't believe at the moment that there is a chance to sign him in the winter.
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    Las7 got a reaction from KosovoBlue in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    Sturridge might be a selfish player, but the folks in this thread will have us know that we should get behind all our players despite their cons.
    We have gotten behind Torres for two years, maybe put some trust into Daniel Sturridge for a change instead of making false statements which don't apply to players you personally dislike.
    So I can't comment when I feel strongly about an issue because my post count is low - well you surely made me feel welcome here.
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    Las7 reacted to omnidroid70 in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    Am I the only one who actually agrees with Sturridge here?
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/nov/12/daniel-sturridge-goals-season-chelsea
    Maybe not 20 straight away but he would probably we capable...
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    Las7 got a reaction from PloKoon13 in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    Long time since my last post, I remember being in the West Stand last season against City - a game during which Mario gave City the lead early on. I remember the lads sitting next to me moaning about Sturridge all game long. Too selfish, always taking the wrong decision, etc I bit my lips - didn't utter a word. Around the half hour mark he setup Raul's goal a few said a few words defending Sturridge at that point; later on in the game he won us a penalty which Lampard converted to win us the game.
    Fact is there was more cheering for Torres that match when he was warming up than for Sturridge when he came off. At that point I realized that people care more about Torres than any other players at the club. It always irked me, since he never earned such support while being at our club.
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    Las7 got a reaction from Davey Baby in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    Exactly,
    I'm not sure why some people feel that Daniel is a worse option than Torres at this point. He has played once as a striker from the start this season, other times he has had been brought on in matches when we are chasing a result and he barely gets a touch to the ball.
    220 minutes of football - is not enough time for anyone to make a judgement.
    Played on the wing:
    Reading - 23 minutes
    Tottenham - 10 minutes
    Swansea - 18 minutes
    Played as a striker:
    Manchester United(CC) - 120 minutes
    Manchester United - 10 minutes(while we were down to 9 chasing a result)
    QPR - 10 minutes(chasing a result at 0-0)
    Donetsk(A) - 21 minutes(was part of our consolation goal; setup a one on one chance for Hazard)
    Donestk(H) - 1 minute
    Liverpool - 9 minutes
    Give him 2-3 starts in a row and it would be fare to say he is not good enough.
    Fact is the match against United was frustrating but at the same time - during that match he setup more chances for himself and team mates(Moses was setup 3 times, two of which were sitters) than Torres does in 5 consecutive matches. The fact that things were not going right for him did not have any effect on his mentality he continued to look for the goal and once he got it - his performance improved by a fine margin. With Torres, even after a goal he would sometimes have his head down, mentally not all there for 90 minutes.
    Fact is that Torres had 80 minutes on the field against Pool, he touched the ball 42 times yesterday, 26 of them directly resulted in a turnover, goal kick, or opponents throw. If you call that properly leading the line you're having a laugh - and Liverpool was not an isolated incident - he gets dispossessed/turnover around 5 times per match on avarage this season and his passing accuracy is 69.9%. Check out both statistics below:
    http://www.whoscored.com/Players/4056
    To me there is little difference in what Torres offers than what Kalou might have offered if he was kept and played 1480 minutes pretty much without ever seeing the bench. Difference between the two is Kalou is making a pittance in wages, doesn't moan to the media about how he is utilize at every opportunity, and has a more positive outlook when playing even when things are not going his way. Kalou never earned a automatic start despite working as hard as Torres is working right now; there were not chants all game long bigging him up; there was no vocal forum support for him in any forum I've been on - yet he pretty much did what Torres is doing right now.
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    Las7 got a reaction from Davey Baby in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    Long time since my last post, I remember being in the West Stand last season against City - a game during which Mario gave City the lead early on. I remember the lads sitting next to me moaning about Sturridge all game long. Too selfish, always taking the wrong decision, etc I bit my lips - didn't utter a word. Around the half hour mark he setup Raul's goal a few said a few words defending Sturridge at that point; later on in the game he won us a penalty which Lampard converted to win us the game.
    Fact is there was more cheering for Torres that match when he was warming up than for Sturridge when he came off. At that point I realized that people care more about Torres than any other players at the club. It always irked me, since he never earned such support while being at our club.
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    Las7 got a reaction from Damnation in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    Exactly,
    I'm not sure why some people feel that Daniel is a worse option than Torres at this point. He has played once as a striker from the start this season, other times he has had been brought on in matches when we are chasing a result and he barely gets a touch to the ball.
    220 minutes of football - is not enough time for anyone to make a judgement.
    Played on the wing:
    Reading - 23 minutes
    Tottenham - 10 minutes
    Swansea - 18 minutes
    Played as a striker:
    Manchester United(CC) - 120 minutes
    Manchester United - 10 minutes(while we were down to 9 chasing a result)
    QPR - 10 minutes(chasing a result at 0-0)
    Donetsk(A) - 21 minutes(was part of our consolation goal; setup a one on one chance for Hazard)
    Donestk(H) - 1 minute
    Liverpool - 9 minutes
    Give him 2-3 starts in a row and it would be fare to say he is not good enough.
    Fact is the match against United was frustrating but at the same time - during that match he setup more chances for himself and team mates(Moses was setup 3 times, two of which were sitters) than Torres does in 5 consecutive matches. The fact that things were not going right for him did not have any effect on his mentality he continued to look for the goal and once he got it - his performance improved by a fine margin. With Torres, even after a goal he would sometimes have his head down, mentally not all there for 90 minutes.
    Fact is that Torres had 80 minutes on the field against Pool, he touched the ball 42 times yesterday, 26 of them directly resulted in a turnover, goal kick, or opponents throw. If you call that properly leading the line you're having a laugh - and Liverpool was not an isolated incident - he gets dispossessed/turnover around 5 times per match on avarage this season and his passing accuracy is 69.9%. Check out both statistics below:
    http://www.whoscored.com/Players/4056
    To me there is little difference in what Torres offers than what Kalou might have offered if he was kept and played 1480 minutes pretty much without ever seeing the bench. Difference between the two is Kalou is making a pittance in wages, doesn't moan to the media about how he is utilize at every opportunity, and has a more positive outlook when playing even when things are not going his way. Kalou never earned a automatic start despite working as hard as Torres is working right now; there were not chants all game long bigging him up; there was no vocal forum support for him in any forum I've been on - yet he pretty much did what Torres is doing right now.
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    Las7 reacted to Elliott in Torres - The "Groundhog Day" Thread   
    Okay, maybe Paul Furlong was me being a bit optimistic, but if not Paul, I’m sure Johnny Spencer would have scored a fair few in our current setup!
    I also have to agree with people on this thread that say Danny is being treated unfairly. He must be thinking; ‘’What in God’s name have I got to do to get in the team?’’ It’s not as though Torres is setting the world alight?
    Yes, he has the ego to rule all ego’s but so what? He has confidence in himself, so does that make him a bad player? It’s not as though he’s the first striker to grace our league who has a selfish streak (most top strikers do) it’s just how the club channel that character of his. Yes, I agree that some of his decision making is poor and sometimes he ignores the better option but how can you expect him to show his best football and learn to improve with 5-10 minutes here & there?
    Even considering some of his short-comings, I firmly believe that he deserves a run in the side to at least have the opportunity to prove himself. Quite frankly, Robbie’s preference for Torres has been embarrassing when you’ve got a hungry young England International champing at the bit.
    I’d say that Sturridge has that poachers instinct in front of goal, as we saw it last season. He’s certainly quicker than Torres, so current all things considered, he’s got to be our best option at the moment. He deserves a run of starting the next 5 games (at least) to show what he can do.
    As others have said, as a defender, I know who I’d be more worried of and it’s not the guy with the highlights.
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