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    andy reacted to Brutos in Anti-Chelsea media   
    As a black Chelsea fans reading these comments about the Anton documentary is exactly what I expected. 
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    andy reacted to Nibs in Anti-Chelsea media   
    Honestly wouldn't waste my time watching it.
    Lets face it, Anton Ferdinand wasn't all that as a footballer and has always been a bit of a nonentity. He got his documentary now he can slip back into obscurity.
     
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    andy got a reaction from PloKoon13 in Anti-Chelsea media   
    There was one point where they said Ashley Cole "sided" with his team mate...... which shows the mentality of the thing. 
    However I think we got to big enough, despite the twitter aftermath from Rio to ignore this stuff. JT clearly has his hands tied and we have ours tied with him. 
    All we can do is support the cause as Chelsea supporters, The biggest single issue was the online abuse Ferdinand received and viewers will naturally believe that was from Chelsea supporters unfortunately 
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    andy reacted to Backbiter in Anti-Chelsea media   
    It would not surprise me if it was, sadly.
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    andy reacted to bisright1 in Anti-Chelsea media   
    Yeah I hate agreeing with this and half typed out something similar but deleted it. I don't like making this argument simply because I am a Chelsea fan and wonder whether I am just being blinded to something. 
    My whole problem with this incident is it is so grey and vague and just creates a tribal incident and makes the whole fight against racism worse not better. This shouldn't be the fight. It should be on getting BAME coaches into the game at every level, eliminating lazy stereotypes when describing black players and celebrating success. This hear say he said you said bullsh*t doesn't help anyone. 
     
    And to be fair to Anton, a lot of the programme was focused on the real bullsh*t which was people racially abusing him after the game and the issues with social media. But once we make racism tribal that is a consequence unfortunately. 
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    andy reacted to JM7 in Anti-Chelsea media   
    Forgot that Rio called Cole a “choc ice”. For someone trying to call out racism, it isn’t a good look at all. 

    Goes to show that everyone has skeletons and no-one is pure. 
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    andy reacted to Backbiter in Anti-Chelsea media   
    Yes, it was a lose-lose situation for JT. His stance from the day of the incident, and repeated under oath under tough cross-examination, is that he never racially abused AF, so he is never going to apologise to him for something he claims he never did. And yet not apologising is seen as yet another example of him being in the wrong.
    I know the programme was made purely from AF's perspective - how the incident affected him personally, how he now feels he has to do more to tackle racism in the game and in society at large, after keeping pretty much silent for the past 9 years - so I wasn't expecting a balanced portrayal of the case, but a few things did bug me.
    They showed footage of AF elbowing JT off the ball in the build-up to the incident, but made no mention of how that was dealt with at the trial. Under cross-examination, AF denied ever elbowing JT, so JT's defence team ran the footage, which showed him doing it twice. AF denies ever accusing JT of calling him a FBC, but the defence argument was his recall of elbowing JT was inaccurate so his recall of what words were exchanged could not be relied upon. The programme failed to deal with that, just as it didn't really analyse the fact that half of JT's words were obscured by another player. This was crucial in JT's defence and ultimately led to his acquittal, as it was plausibly argued that the missed words were "I never called you a". At the trial, the judge made the point that JT's defence remained consistent from day one, and none of the dozen or so cameras at Loftus Road has ever undermined his claim that he was not using the words FBC to racially abuse AF. There is no footage that reveals exactly what he said, and he could not have known that when he issued his initial statement after the game.
    AF stated during the programme that he could see JT saying "You FBC", but in court expert lip readers were unable to state what word preceded "FBC". JT claimed it was the word "a", not "you", which again was crucial to the defence. The JT version does stand up to scrutiny, because he claims he said "you effing knobhead" after the words FBC. Adding "you effing knobhead" after calling someone a c**t would just be weird, to my mind, and only really makes sense if it's used imply someone is being stupid to think that he'd just racially abused him. The FA claimed at their hearing that knobhead was also a term of severe abuse, but in reality it's just a modern version of pillock.
    Unsurprisingly the programme made no mention of Rio F liking and repeating a racial slur towards Ashley Cole for standing up in court to defend JT. 
    Chris Foy, who was ultimately responsible for everything that went on due to his disgraceful managing of the game, did feature briefly in JT's interview at the FA. The FA investigator seemed to laugh at how bad his performance was that day and said something along the lines of "but we won't go into how the ref performed".
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    andy reacted to bisright1 in Anti-Chelsea media   
    There was no way JT could go on that documentary and keep his job at Aston Villa. 
    Either he went on and admitted he lied to the country about it and did call someone a black c*nt and he was sorry and wants to make amends. Or he goes on and says he said something else and then gets torn apart by the media for "lying". 
    The backlash either way isn't worth it for him. Best for him to sit it out.
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    andy reacted to ForeverCarefree in Anti-Chelsea media   
    I've haven't watched the whole documentary I literally just skipped to the part where you hear Terry's interview with the FA and the part where the cover the trial and the FA's ruling. 
    Without Terry contributing to the documentary it is extremely biased. As Ferdinand listens back to Terry's version of their altercation he's interjecting saying "that didn't happen" or "that doesn't make sense". So we, as a viewer, are being made to believe or be sympathetic to Ferdinand. Terry is portrayed as the liar and Ferdinand's recollection of events is gospel. 
    Everything again hinges on the wonky camera angle of Terry when he says the offending phrase. That's what the whole thing is about. Ferdinand asks the prosecutor "why was he found not guilty when you can see on the clip what he said". So even now, 8 years later, that one clip is the entire basis of the argument against Terry. 
    I won't rehash the arguments for and against Terry but documentary very much depicts Terry has the "villain" and that being found not guilty in a court of law is framed as an injustice. 
    There is a lot of work to be done to eradicate racism, discrimination and bigotry not just from football but in society in general. I'm just not sure that focusing on one persons story, centering around one "alleged" incident of racism is really the means for good it is being dressed up to be.       
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    andy got a reaction from Oli in Anti-Chelsea media   
    My take on the documentary, Be interesting for other point of view ?
    It was pretty damming on JT, so you are going to be angry if you watch it. From the outset he is assumed guilty, Ferdinand says "he called me a F****** B**** C***"  It is  tempered a bit through out with him saying things along the lines of "it doesn't matter what context it was said", "this is bigger than just me and John"  "its more about the reaction"  ...he was also honest about what he said to John and they showed clips of John wearing a BLM t shirt and taking a knee.  But don't get me wrong there is one villain portrayed here., he emailed John towards the end but John didn't reply, a bit much was made of that, that was uncalled for in my opinion. 
    I am a little torn though as I think the message is important and I did come away thinking that he is trying to do something about racism in football and more importantly speaking out about it which he felt he didn't at the time and he wants to encourage youngsters too.
    Ferdinand did say of JT that he is "dammed if he does and damned if he don't" so even he agrees that it is difficult for John to speak out about this all he is going to do is repeat what he said in court so they will never agree on the incident.
    Overall it is the type of documentary that will not linger in the memory but I hope the message does get across.  
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    andy got a reaction from Drogba11CFC in Anti-Chelsea media   
    My take on the documentary, Be interesting for other point of view ?
    It was pretty damming on JT, so you are going to be angry if you watch it. From the outset he is assumed guilty, Ferdinand says "he called me a F****** B**** C***"  It is  tempered a bit through out with him saying things along the lines of "it doesn't matter what context it was said", "this is bigger than just me and John"  "its more about the reaction"  ...he was also honest about what he said to John and they showed clips of John wearing a BLM t shirt and taking a knee.  But don't get me wrong there is one villain portrayed here., he emailed John towards the end but John didn't reply, a bit much was made of that, that was uncalled for in my opinion. 
    I am a little torn though as I think the message is important and I did come away thinking that he is trying to do something about racism in football and more importantly speaking out about it which he felt he didn't at the time and he wants to encourage youngsters too.
    Ferdinand did say of JT that he is "dammed if he does and damned if he don't" so even he agrees that it is difficult for John to speak out about this all he is going to do is repeat what he said in court so they will never agree on the incident.
    Overall it is the type of documentary that will not linger in the memory but I hope the message does get across.  
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    andy got a reaction from PloKoon13 in Anti-Chelsea media   
    My take on the documentary, Be interesting for other point of view ?
    It was pretty damming on JT, so you are going to be angry if you watch it. From the outset he is assumed guilty, Ferdinand says "he called me a F****** B**** C***"  It is  tempered a bit through out with him saying things along the lines of "it doesn't matter what context it was said", "this is bigger than just me and John"  "its more about the reaction"  ...he was also honest about what he said to John and they showed clips of John wearing a BLM t shirt and taking a knee.  But don't get me wrong there is one villain portrayed here., he emailed John towards the end but John didn't reply, a bit much was made of that, that was uncalled for in my opinion. 
    I am a little torn though as I think the message is important and I did come away thinking that he is trying to do something about racism in football and more importantly speaking out about it which he felt he didn't at the time and he wants to encourage youngsters too.
    Ferdinand did say of JT that he is "dammed if he does and damned if he don't" so even he agrees that it is difficult for John to speak out about this all he is going to do is repeat what he said in court so they will never agree on the incident.
    Overall it is the type of documentary that will not linger in the memory but I hope the message does get across.  
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    andy got a reaction from Slojo in Chelsea v Spuds (PL) Sun 29th Nov 2020 16:30 GMT   
    There is some very negative posts on here again, the top of the table team just came to us and parked the bus, that’s a huge compliment and we were clearly the better team by a country mile
    Son and Kane are the media’s and the statisticians golden boys at the moment, did they even touch the ball ? 
     
    the result is hard to take but I draw a lot more positives than negatives from today, I think we are the best team in the league (mind you I always this that) 
     
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    andy got a reaction from yorkleyblue in Chelsea v Spuds (PL) Sun 29th Nov 2020 16:30 GMT   
    There is some very negative posts on here again, the top of the table team just came to us and parked the bus, that’s a huge compliment and we were clearly the better team by a country mile
    Son and Kane are the media’s and the statisticians golden boys at the moment, did they even touch the ball ? 
     
    the result is hard to take but I draw a lot more positives than negatives from today, I think we are the best team in the league (mind you I always this that) 
     
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    andy got a reaction from Cone in Chelsea v Spuds (PL) Sun 29th Nov 2020 16:30 GMT   
    There is some very negative posts on here again, the top of the table team just came to us and parked the bus, that’s a huge compliment and we were clearly the better team by a country mile
    Son and Kane are the media’s and the statisticians golden boys at the moment, did they even touch the ball ? 
     
    the result is hard to take but I draw a lot more positives than negatives from today, I think we are the best team in the league (mind you I always this that) 
     
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    andy got a reaction from General in Chelsea v Spuds (PL) Sun 29th Nov 2020 16:30 GMT   
    There is some very negative posts on here again, the top of the table team just came to us and parked the bus, that’s a huge compliment and we were clearly the better team by a country mile
    Son and Kane are the media’s and the statisticians golden boys at the moment, did they even touch the ball ? 
     
    the result is hard to take but I draw a lot more positives than negatives from today, I think we are the best team in the league (mind you I always this that) 
     
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    andy got a reaction from Simplymo in Chelsea v Spuds (PL) Sun 29th Nov 2020 16:30 GMT   
    There is some very negative posts on here again, the top of the table team just came to us and parked the bus, that’s a huge compliment and we were clearly the better team by a country mile
    Son and Kane are the media’s and the statisticians golden boys at the moment, did they even touch the ball ? 
     
    the result is hard to take but I draw a lot more positives than negatives from today, I think we are the best team in the league (mind you I always this that) 
     
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    andy got a reaction from Strider6003 in Chelsea v Spuds (PL) Sun 29th Nov 2020 16:30 GMT   
    There is some very negative posts on here again, the top of the table team just came to us and parked the bus, that’s a huge compliment and we were clearly the better team by a country mile
    Son and Kane are the media’s and the statisticians golden boys at the moment, did they even touch the ball ? 
     
    the result is hard to take but I draw a lot more positives than negatives from today, I think we are the best team in the league (mind you I always this that) 
     
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    andy reacted to General in Chelsea v Spuds (PL) Sun 29th Nov 2020 16:30 GMT   
    Could a, would a, should a want to focus on the pluses another clean sheet, didn’t let a direct top 4 rival take points of us, Pulisick made it til FT wo pulling a hamstring and Jose has still not beaten his protege in the prem, and Leicester winning still keeps us in top 4 only 2 points of the summit. Can you really complain about all that ?
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    andy reacted to Munkworth in Anti-Chelsea media   
    There’s one show worth the £157 alone....

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    andy reacted to sonic90 in Anti-Chelsea media   
    I read that JT was asked to appear in the doc but declined as he has moved on, sure when JT was desperate to make amends and apologise he closed him off at every turn but when you need him to turn up for your benefit you're all ears...
    It's not appropriate to use JT as an example of racism anyway as the whole thing is muddy and he was cleared in a court of law so by all means he isn't a racist and can't be used in this way.
    How come Rio's 'choc-ice' comment is never held against him, or Granit Xhaka for calling someone a white bitch at an airport? As if racism only applies one way.
    Let's be honest the BBC have an agenda to push and Anton has a book to sell and that's why this is all being dug up again.
    *And disclaimer I am neither white nor black so completely neutral views on this*
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    andy got a reaction from erskblue in RIP Maradona   
    Don’t forget our own Gianfranco was a prodigy  of Maradona at Napoli..... I can’t find it now but there is a great video I once saw comparing their styles and they where very close. 
    just ask Julian Dicks who still has bouts of nausea due to his head is  still spinning. 
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    andy reacted to Strider6003 in Anti-Chelsea media   
    The player look-back in 20 years,
    John Terry, arguably best defender for a generation and won all the major tournaments barring national success.
    Anton Ferdinand famous for slandering John Terry.
    Who will leave the better legacy for the grandkids
     
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    andy reacted to Gol15 in Rennes v Chelsea (CL) Tue 24th Nov 2020 17:55 GMT   
    To me he's our best passer already.
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    andy reacted to Gol15 in Rennes v Chelsea (CL) Tue 24th Nov 2020 17:55 GMT   
    Who's the boss in France? That's right...

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