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Regarding Dunkirk. I remember reading that a Luftwaffe commander decided that his 21 bombers could do without any Me109 fighter escort when attacking the Dunkirk beaches.

However they ran into 10 or 12 Spitfires as they approached the Dunkirk area.

Soon they had lost 7 planes and they then realised that the RAF wouldn't be a pushover.

Much of the RAF fighter work was done away from the beaches and so led to real anger amongst the army as they didn't realise how much fighting the RAF were doing in preventing Luftwaffe attacks.

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On 7/25/2017 at 18:45, Strider6003 said:

Not sure if it was just a rescue or Hitler let us off remember Hess never spoke publicly about why he flew over and died in Spandau prison decades after the war ended at 87.

Regardless there was certainly intense fighting, three family relatives were there and one was promoted to captain after despatching Germans with a shovel.

A friend that is a military nut has seen it and he enjoyed it. 

My father told me not all got away at Dunkirk there was a second evacuation further along the coast a little later.

 

@Strider6003Some information about the second evacuation from France:

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/operation_aerial.html

16 minutes ago, erskblue said:

Regarding Dunkirk. I remember reading that a Luftwaffe commander decided that his 21 bombers could do without any Me109 fighter escort when attacking the Dunkirk beaches.

However they ran into 10 or 12 Spitfires as they approached the Dunkirk area.

Soon they had lost 7 planes and they then realised that the RAF wouldn't be a pushover.

Much of the RAF fighter work was done away from the beaches and so led to real anger amongst the army as they didn't realise how much fighting the RAF were doing in preventing Luftwaffe attacks.

@erskblueDid you see the programme on Channel 4 a few weeks ago about the role of the RAF in the Dunkirk Evacuation? As you say the RAF fought the Luftwaffe farther inland and over the English Channel.

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2 hours ago, Boyne said:

@Strider6003Some information about the second evacuation from France:

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/operation_aerial.html

@erskblueDid you see the programme on Channel 4 a few weeks ago about the role of the RAF in the Dunkirk Evacuation? As you say the RAF fought the Luftwaffe farther inland and over the English Channel.

Boyne ' No it was on when we were away on holiday. Will watch it on catch up. I did watch the Guy Martin 'Spitfire rebuild' programme on Thursday evening.

The Spitfire was shot down on the Dunkirk beach and then covered by sand and sea until 1986.

Fascinating how they used completely original RAF drawings and incorporated part of the original Spitfire into the rebuilt Mark1 Spitfire and it flew.

 

 

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I'm sure I have a book about the RAF campaign at Dunkirk and how they operated at the very limit of their fuel capacity. The Luftwaffe,on the other hand had their bases close at hand and could make numerous sorties without any problems.

The Battle of Britain was the above in reverse.

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56 minutes ago, erskblue said:

Boyne ' No it was on when we were away on holiday. Will watch it on catch up. I did watch the Guy Martin 'Spitfire rebuild' programme on Thursday evening.

The Spitfire was shot down on the Dunkirk beach and then covered by sand and sea until 1986.

Fascinating how they used completely original RAF drawings and incorporated part of the original Spitfire into the rebuilt Mark1 Spitfire and it flew.

 

 

@erskblueI missed the Spitfire Rebuild programme. Will watch it later. I think the Spitfire will be at the Duxford Airshow in September, Am going to that. Will be a great day out.

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@boyne a good find re the evacuations, interestingly my paternal grandfather was shot less than a year later in No.1 Commando taking out a German machine gun post as part of a night raid at Brest.

He had to wear a metal plate / belt the rest of his life to hold his abdomen in place. He had been a physical worker before the war and could only do the strength stuff after when he wore this plate. What's perhaps more interesting is that he would probably have died but his fellow Scots commandos realised he was not on board and went back for him and carried him back to the beach using a farm gate. 

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1 hour ago, Strider6003 said:

@boyne a good find re the evacuations, interestingly my paternal grandfather was shot less than a year later in No.1 Commando taking out a German machine gun post as part of a night raid at Brest.

He had to wear a metal plate / belt the rest of his life to hold his abdomen in place. He had been a physical worker before the war and could only do the strength stuff after when he wore this plate. What's perhaps more interesting is that he would probably have died but his fellow Scots commandos realised he was not on board and went back for him and carried him back to the beach using a farm gate. 

@Strider6003The injury to your grand-father sounds horrendous. Well done to the commandos for going back to rescue him.

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There was a n old man who attended the church I go to. He had been with the 51st Highland Division at St Valery in June 1940.

He only realised how close the Germans were when a motorcycle and side car with a German machine gunner raced past his fox hole!

He managed to escape by running into the nearest cover and he and a comrade managed to evade capture and get back home via Spain and Gibraltar.

After the war,he queried a museum employee about his name being on a June 1940 German POW list !

He informed the museum he had never been in any POW camp and sent them a list of hos subsequent Ww2 postings.

 

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I had a great uncle who hid under dead bodies to hide from German panzers at Dunkirk, he made the mistake of drinking bad water and picked up a stomach bug and for the rest of the war was in the military police, I have his service medals.

Two other uncles were there too, one was promoted to Captain after being seen despatching Germans with a shovel in the hand to hand fighting.

All of these were in the Queens regiment.

 

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The old man that I mentioned in my previous post would have been worthy of having a book written about his War exploits.

He was promoted to corporal after his successful escape. Then posted to a training depot.

He saw action in I'm sure North Africa. But definitely the Sicily/Italian campaign.

He was in charge of a 25 pound field gun when a German 88mm round hit his gun. All his section were killed, whilst he was in his words 'ach I was only wounded '! In actual fact he was partially deaf in one ear for the rest of his life. But amazingly, he had only a few superficial cuts !

He was again promoted, given 'a couple of medals' His words, not mine.

Then posted to The Caribbean for the rest of the war.

Sorry this isn't about any film,just a wee tribute to an amazing and self effacing man.

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Interesting Erskblue, my grandfather before No.1 Commando was in the navy as a morse code operator. He had two ships sunk under him and after one of these had to swim to the shore. This was off the coast by Scotland. When they got on dry land they lit a fire only to be berated by a famer frightened of getting bombed.

He may have survived as in his teens he used to swim in the Thames diving off from Blackfriars bridge.

 

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I saw Dunkirk last night.

It was a very good film. It shows the reality of war. I was willing the main characters to get back to Britain.

It was,in many ways,like watching a war documentary.

The tune Nimrod ' was very movingly played near the end.

It does justice to those who took part and doesn't hide the fact that many many French soldiers didn't manage to escape.

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22 minutes ago, erskblue said:

I saw Dunkirk last night.

It was a very good film. It shows the reality of war. I was willing the main characters to get back to Britain.

It was,in many ways,like watching a war documentary.

The tune Nimrod ' was very movingly played near the end.

It does justice to those who took part and doesn't hide the fact that many many French soldiers didn't manage to escape.

@erskblue Thanks. I hope to go and see the film later this week. One of my nephews saw the film last week and like you he thought it was like watching a war documentary. The 1950s film was on the TV at the weekend. Wasn't able to watch it. I suspect it will be on TV again in the near future.

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I saw this earlier this year, not my typical movie by any means yet passed the time as they say.

I found it interesting and it concerned a team in WWII set up to make propaganda films and Dunkirk was one of the films they were trying to make as propaganda to the British audience and yet also appeal to a US audience. It was amusing in places as they tried to use a well known Yank in the evacuation scenes.

It seemed authentic of how the war felt living in the UK.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/their_finest_2017

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Dunkirk is excellent, and it shows that you don't need to devote the first act of the film to soppy backstories for the audience to give a sh*t about the characters. I don't think any of them even have names in this but that makes perfect sense and reflects the absolute chaos that's going on around them - no time for introductions, etc. I loved the cinematography, especially the aerial dogfights, which were very well done. The sound was also thrilling, the impacts of the bullets and the screaming of the German planes' engines as they divebomb the beaches - this film has to be seen in a cinema otherwise you'll miss out on half of the experience. 

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On 8/2/2017 at 22:38, bluedave said:

Dunkirk is excellent, and it shows that you don't need to devote the first act of the film to soppy backstories for the audience to give a sh*t about the characters. I don't think any of them even have names in this but that makes perfect sense and reflects the absolute chaos that's going on around them - no time for introductions, etc. I loved the cinematography, especially the aerial dogfights, which were very well done. The sound was also thrilling, the impacts of the bullets and the screaming of the German planes' engines as they divebomb the beaches - this film has to be seen in a cinema otherwise you'll miss out on half of the experience. 

I love this movie. Well told. Less dialogue but Nolan was still able to tell the story. 

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I saw Dunkirk this evening. An excellent film. Powerful and moving. As Erskblue wrote it was like watching a documentary. Agree with Bluedave, it is a film which needs to be seen at the cinema. I watched is at the Imax at the Science Museum in London. Sound effects and the dogfights were brilliant. And to think that 300,000 men were evacuated from the beaches, It muse have been terrifying for those on the beaches being attacked by Stuka dive bombers.

 

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