Following our ex`s...

[Spiller86]

If Roma sack Claudio now after how much they improved under him last season they would be idiots and deserve to go backwards the same way Juve did after they sacked him.

I made the comment to my friend that given all he did last season he deserves at least 'til Christmas. I mean van Gaal was hopeless last year at Bayern until they won that game at Juve to just scrape through to the second round of the CL, then they went on and nearly won everything.

I was having a chat with this mate of mine this morning and his main complaint suprise, suprise were the strange subs he has been making. For example, last week against Calgiari after Burdisso got sent off he took off Totti and played with noone up front, thereafter they had no ball and lost 5-1. I of course reminded him that last season when he took off Totti and De Rossi against Lazio when a goal down and they won, he thought he was the greatest genius of all time. But of course that is just Ranieri brilliant one minute, Monaco the next.

Once they get a couple of players back namely Vucinic they'll no doubt turn it around, but they've Inter this weekend and that just might be the straw that break's the camel's back. I hope he doesn't get the sack, because he always came across as a decent bloke, but after the apparent falling out with Totti, I'd say the only thing that might save him will be the fact that they haven't the cash to pay him out.

[Tim W]

We lost him because he thought he had more chance of first team football at West Ham and wasn't keen on taking his chances against the stronger competition at Chelsea. So he moved to West Ham, made a few first team appearances, did very little, and has noe been farmed out in much the same manner we farmed him out. He is only 18 so still very much got his career ahead of him but it does inidicate we were right to reject any offers of first team exposure guarantees.

I'm aware of that dear Lozmeister, my point is more that perhaps we let him go too easy. Di Santo, Sinclair and Stoch who were ahead of him have all been dispatched; Borrini is not the same type of player and from what I've seen not as far developed. I saw Nouble play a few times for WHU and he didn't look that out of place and the idea of loaning him to Brendan, a manger he knows and trusts, seems like a good game plan. Brendan's got Sinclair scoring again wasn't the last one his fourth in three games or was it 3 in 4 games can't remember.

[Virosh]

How about you just f**k off, comprehensive incapability my f**king arse. No, I wouldnt call him a w**ker, but I do think hes been out of order with the lack of gratitude he`s given back to fans who backed him the entire time he was at Chelsea, even when he was sh*t.

I don't know how my argument can be made clearer. If you are offended by me saying so, so be it. Others don't seem to have that problem, even when they disagree with me, and they don't resort to swearing.

I see you actually agree with me in a way - though we both /all?/ see that Joe Cole hasn't covered himself in glory, he hasn't done /yet/ something to justify the "w****r" moniker.

I also note how it took me two times asking to get an answer to a simple question. Do you always ignore significant parts of a fellow's argument and just answer what you please?

Just not accepting sh*te like "Your comprehensive incapability aside" from any f**ker, or the fact he seems to think me and Barry had called Cole a w**ker, which neither of us have.

Barry hasn't called Cole a "w****r", though he was pretty fast in coming to the defense of someone who did. His words carried no hint of him denouncing the word and pretty much carried the argument further. And he still hasn't answered my question.

(EDIT: This was at the time of writing.)

I never said you called him that, either.

Dicky, you do seem to have a massive talent for bringing the Trolls out of the woodwork :) :) :)

keep it up, corporal!

Yes, yorkley, I am the Troll for pointing out one of the good and most loved players we've had in this decade doesn't deserve to be called childish names. I am also the one who starts throwing abuse.

Just read through this thread, and must say that I side with Barry Bridges and dkw on this one, though I've nothing against Virosh.

I, for one, was pleased when Joe Cole left Chelsea, in fact I'd wanted him to go for the previous two years. He could be a very good player on his day, only trouble was, he didn't have many 'days'. I still remember us losing at home with about 5 minutes to go (can't remember who against), and Chelsea were desperate for an equaliser. All except Joey, who thought the most important thing to do was try pathetic little flicks which never worked.

Joey was reportedly a Chelsea supporter since he was a kid, and was thrilled to leave the Spammers to come to the Bridge. He got adulation from the Chelsea crowd which he rarely deserved, then he goes to Liverpool and gobs off about their great support. Typical of most current day footballers, I'm afraid, no loyalty, no brains. If Joey gets a good reception when he returns to the Bridge, I'll be very disappointed, he should be given the same treatment that Poyet and Durie got.

Just for the record, Peter Osgood did give the Southampton fans a wave both at the Bridge and at the Dell, and we never held it against him - he never wanted to leave Chelsea, but the Saints fans obviously respected him. That's how it should be.

If Gianfranco had praised the West Ham support I wouldn't have held that against him either. When he left Chelsea, he did it with respect and dignity, making us love him all the more.

I see you point, Steve. I wouldn't go that far in condemnig Joe, I think he gave us his best years and he really enjoyed being at the club.

As for the examples you gave, that's precisely my point - the simple fact that our two biggest legends got along with a different team's support doesn't disqualify them from being legends. Joe took it a step too far, but that's it.

Edited September 21, 2010 by Virosh

[Virosh]

Barry, I skimmed through your posts - I'll read them in details later, as I'm at work, and I'd like to retract my statement - you're not a keyboard warrior at all. Even though I don't agree with everything you say, your arguments are well-reasoned and lacking in the shrillness that I accused you of. I must have been too angry at the other user and I'm sorry.

Edited September 21, 2010 by Virosh

[yorkleyblue]

see what I mean?

[Virosh]

I don't actually.

[bonetti]

Joe Cole gave the manker fans the 5 salute at the end of the match on Sunday - just like a real scouser then

[yorkleyblue]

I'm not getting too involved, but when you find that you have to quote several different posts and add your own commentary to an ongoing argument that all of the other participants have already given up on, and said that, in essence, they will agree to disagree, and when all you are doing is reposting the same arguments over and over again in the mistaken belief that repetition makes things either true, relevant or acceptable, that, to me, is a classic definition of forum troll behaviour.

Any road up, if other people want to engage in that, it's not for me to say that they can't. I'm not playing anymore though

[dkw]

I'm not getting too involved, but when you find that you have to quote several different posts and add your own commentary to an ongoing argument that all of the other participants have already given up on, and said that, in essence, they will agree to disagree, and when all you are doing is reposting the same arguments over and over again in the mistaken belief that repetition makes things either true, relevant or acceptable, that, to me, is a classic definition of forum troll behaviour.

Any road up, if other people want to engage in that, it's not for me to say that they can't. I'm not playing anymore though

[Virosh]

I'm not getting too involved, but when you find that you have to quote several different posts and add your own commentary to an ongoing argument that all of the other participants have already given up on, and said that, in essence, they will agree to disagree, and when all you are doing is reposting the same arguments over and over again in the mistaken belief that repetition makes things either true, relevant or acceptable, that, to me, is a classic definition of forum troll behaviour.

Any road up, if other people want to engage in that, it's not for me to say that they can't. I'm not playing anymore though

How exactly is an "ongoing argument" one that "the other participants have given up on"? Even more so when several posts on the same topic had been added while I was writing my own?

I also take it I am supposed to leave an argument as soon as someone disagrees with me, or in this case, swears at me? Am I also supposed to come up with a completely different view with every post?

You're spot on by not playing anymore. You're making up new rules all the time.

[Spiller86]

Nice article about Riccy, has nothing but good things to say about Chelsea. turns out he had a clause in his contract that said if a big club came in after 5 years he would be allowed to go if he wanted.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2010/09/20/2126964/ricardo-carvalho-its-harder-to-play-for-chelsea-than-real

Read that article dkw and have to say I was very impressed with his comments. A great servant to the club I think right on par with JT in terms of ability.

For me that's how you leave a club with dignity meaning you'll always be well remembered by their fans. There seem to have been a few disagreements in this thread but I think everyone agree from that article that Lord Percy (as I'll always remember him as) is a class act

[ethicalstrategy]

I'm not getting too involved, but when you find that you have to quote several different posts and add your own commentary to an ongoing argument that all of the other participants have already given up on, and said that, in essence, they will agree to disagree, and when all you are doing is reposting the same arguments over and over again in the mistaken belief that repetition makes things either true, relevant or acceptable, that, to me, is a classic definition of forum troll behaviour.

Any road up, if other people want to engage in that, it's not for me to say that they can't. I'm not playing anymore though

How exactly is an "ongoing argument" one that "the other participants have given up on"? Even more so when several posts on the same topic had been added while I was writing my own?

I also take it I am supposed to leave an argument as soon as someone disagrees with me, or in this case, swears at me? Am I also supposed to come up with a completely different view with every post?

You're spot on by not playing anymore. You're making up new rules all the time.

Guys.

Can we stick to arguing about whether Joe Cole is or isn't a w**ker rather than analysing the way it's being done?

Thanks.

[Virosh]

Isn't. At least until he does something else, like kissing their crest or celebrating in front of our fans if he happens to score against us, the only thing I accuse him of is stupidity and excessive PR. I can't put behind seven years of dedicated, if not always effective, service.

I also enjoyed quite a lot reading that Carvalho interview. Top player, top personality, will be fondly remembered.

Edited September 21, 2010 by Virosh

[dkw]

I can't put behind seven years of dedicated, if not always effective, service.

Joe Cole seems to have been able to put it behind him pretty easily.

Back on track, anyone remember the young scottish defender we had, something Watt I think he was called. He looked a real un yet has almost completely disappeared. Any idea where he ended up?

[loz]

Do you mean Steven Watt? He played against Sc**thorpe in the FA CUp under Jose, moved around a while after that and then came back North of the Border to play for ROss County. He is at Grimsby now.

[loz]

Whay about Forsell (aka Pauly's Vote for player of the century) - is he still at Hannover?

[dkw]

Do you mean Steven Watt? He played against Sc**thorpe in the FA CUp under Jose, moved around a while after that and then came back North of the Border to play for ROss County. He is at Grimsby now.

Thats the fella, He was touted as the new John Terry wasnt he? Heres 2 interesting ones, the 2 young uns who won the "Football Icon" shows on Sky.

Football Icon 1 began in June 2005, and 5,000 young footballers took part. The series was won by Chelsea fan Sam Hurrell, who was attending Vyners School. After two seasons in the youth team at Stamford Bridge, Hurrell was released in the close season of 2007. He has gone on to play for semi-professional teams St Albans City, Welling United, Worthing and Woking.

The winner of the second series was former Leeds United academy player Carl Magnay who has since signed professional terms with Chelsea. He has had loan spells at Milton Keynes Dons and Northampton Town, and has been capped by Northern Ireland's under-21 side.

Apparently Magnay did his ACL ni march and still hasnt returned to training.

[ewitkows]

Scott Sinclair just got a goal for Swansea. Hope he makes it there.

[Backbiter]

The Chelsea reunion continues down the road (from me) at Swansea:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/swansea_city/8958261.stm

[ace]

Scott Sinclair just got a goal for Swansea. Hope he makes it there.

Finished off the game with a hat-trick, good for him.

[dkw]

Finished off the game with a hat-trick, good for him.

Seems Scotty has found his level, good luck to the lad hope he does well for Swansea.

[dkw]

Our wonderfully named ex keeper yves makaba-makalamby has left Hibs and joined Swansea, Brendan Rogers is building a team with our ex reserves it seems.

[TheWestwayWonder]

Good for Scotty and Swansea. Hope we can face them in the later rounds.

Read that article dkw and have to say I was very impressed with his comments. A great servant to the club I think right on par with JT in terms of ability.

For me that's how you leave a club with dignity meaning you'll always be well remembered by their fans. There seem to have been a few disagreements in this thread but I think everyone agree from that article that Lord Percy (as I'll always remember him as) is a class act

A top top player and guy. I love Riccy Carvalho, and I love that he is proving he is still one of the worlds best in Spain

[Gem]

On RAWK, they had some pictures of Joe Cole doing the scouse "five" to the Manc fans - i.e holding up five fingers to signify their five CL trophies.

Leaves a bitter taste with me.

[PloKoon13]

On RAWK, they had some pictures of Joe Cole doing the scouse "five" to the Manc fans - i.e holding up five fingers to signify their five CL trophies.

Leaves a bitter taste with me.

Did it signify the number of minutes he was even remotely involved in the game?