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7 hours ago, DonAntonio said:

How can anyone judge his Bayern days when he hasn't played, he is young missed preseason, off to a bad start and couldn't recover his confidence, he has the talent, under conte I think he could become world class. 

Clearly he has played sufficiently often for people to feel entitled to an opinion. What's more, understanding that clubs like to offer cover stories, I'd call them excuses, along the lines of the list you gave, people are probably also  prepared to draw inferences from the very fact that he has not played.

I have not seen anything I regard as good evidence to support your world class potential claim, but, if Antonio did share your view, where would you see Sanches contributing for us; as an option to partner one of our French CM's, or joining them as the most forward looking member of a three?

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12 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Clearly he has played sufficiently often for people to feel entitled to an opinion. What's more, understanding that clubs like to offer cover stories, I'd call them excuses, along the lines of the list you gave, people are probably also  prepared to draw inferences from the very fact that he has not played.

I have not seen anything I regard as good evidence to support your world class potential claim, but, if Antonio did share your view, where would you see Sanches contributing for us; as an option to partner one of our French CM's, or joining them as the most forward looking member of a three?

Well he only played 4 league games and he is only 19, so to draw a conclusion I think would be very short sighted,  as for what supports him having world class potential I think is clear, he won a European title as a full first 11 player at 18 years old and won young player of the tournament in doing so, to add to that he was bought by one of the biggest clubs on the planet at a very young age with the mind of playing first team football, so I that would suggest without doubt they felt he had world class potential, can you lose all that in one season? I don't know but what's clear is there is more than enough evidence to suggest he has world class potential. If I remember I think we had this discussion before, I think it's one of the first things we spoke about when you joined. 

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I think we should try to lure Emre Can. The guy has just 1 year left and juventus is trying to get him.

That would provide strong competition for Kante. He is one of the best DM I have seen in recent times.

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1 hour ago, doctorblue said:

He's fine at the throwing himself in front of the ball thing but he can't pass out from the back and every time he's isolated on the left he panics...looking forward to seeing Rudiger playing there...

I understand the reservations some people may have regarding Cahill but the bottom line is he was part of a championship winning back 3 therefore deserves a starting place until his performances suggest otherwise.

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Am serious!

"Best DM I have seen in recent times"
Surely a wind up he's ok-ish I suppose but there are at least 25 other central defensively minded midfielders I would have over him

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My Prediction for the end of the window:
Underlined = Homegrown
Bold = Predicated/Uncertain 
Brackets = New Signing

GK: Thibaut, (Willy), Eduardo
LWB: Alonso, Kenedy
CB: Luiz, Cahill, Azpi, (Rudiger), Christensen 
RWB: Moses, (New Wingback)
CM: Kante, Fabregas, (Bakayoko), Baker, (New Midfielder) 
Wingers: Hazard, Pedro, Willian, Boga, Musonda
Strikers: (Morata), Batshuayi, Remy

Out: Ake, Traore, Atsu, Begovic, Terry, Chalobah, Cuadrado, Costa, Matic, Baba

If this is a reality then only one of our two possible new signings need to be homegrown. 


 

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47 minutes ago, TomCFC85 said:

My Prediction for the end of the window:
Underlined = Homegrown
Bold = Predicated/Uncertain 
Brackets = New Signing

GK: Thibaut, (Willy), Eduardo
LWB: Alonso, Kenedy
CB: Luiz, Cahill, Azpi, (Rudiger), Christensen 
RWB: Moses, (New Wingback)
CM: Kante, Fabregas, (Bakayoko), Baker, (New Midfielder) 
Wingers: Hazard, Pedro, Willian, Boga, Musonda
Strikers: (Morata), Batshuayi, Remy

Out: Ake, Traore, Atsu, Begovic, Terry, Chalobah, Cuadrado, Costa, Matic, Baba

If this is a reality then only one of our two possible new signings need to be homegrown. 


 

Right now, it doesn't really seem to me like were running into a HG problem. Our current core squad excl HG or U21 players is Thibaut, Willy, Eduardo, Luiz, Rüdiger, Azpi, Alonso, Kanté, Bakayoko, Eden, Pedro, Willian, Morata, Batshuayi which is 14 players (plus Moses, Christensen, Cahill, Fábregas, Baker, Kenedy, Musonda etc who are HG or U21). That means we can sign 3 more non-HG players (eg 1CM, 2 WB), and only if we wanted to sign more than another 3 (which sounds quite ambitious to me) we'd need to look for HG/U21 players (Chamberlain, Bertrand, Richarlison), and if not, we can consider non-HG from our squad like Remy, Pasalic or Baba. So right now, I don't think we should make this difficult transfer market even more difficult by exaggeratedly concentrating on the HG status of players.

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"Best DM I have seen in recent times"
Surely a wind up he's ok-ish I suppose but there are at least 25 other central defensively minded midfielders I would have over him

Matic is among them?

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8 hours ago, TomCFC85 said:

My Prediction for the end of the window:
Underlined = Homegrown
Bold = Predicated/Uncertain 
Brackets = New Signing

GK: Thibaut, (Willy), Eduardo
LWB: Alonso, Kenedy
CB: Luiz, Cahill, Azpi, (Rudiger), Christensen 
RWB: Moses, (New Wingback)
CM: Kante, Fabregas, (Bakayoko), Baker, (New Midfielder) 
Wingers: Hazard, Pedro, Willian, Boga, Musonda
Strikers: (Morata), Batshuayi, Remy

Out: Ake, Traore, Atsu, Begovic, Terry, Chalobah, Cuadrado, Costa, Matic, Baba

If this is a reality then only one of our two possible new signings need to be homegrown. 


 

There are 18 non-HG players in that squad, if I am not wrong.

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Emre Can is bad, clumsy and slow. He is not even close to top level. Just bang average. I would prefer Matic to him everyday. Matic is 10x better.

 

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9 hours ago, TomCFC85 said:

My Prediction for the end of the window:
Underlined = Homegrown
Bold = Predicated/Uncertain 
Brackets = New Signing

GK: Thibaut, (Willy), Eduardo
LWB: Alonso, Kenedy
CB: Luiz, Cahill, Azpi, (Rudiger), Christensen 
RWB: Moses, (New Wingback)
CM: Kante, Fabregas, (Bakayoko), Baker, (New Midfielder) 
Wingers: Hazard, Pedro, Willian, Boga, Musonda
Strikers: (Morata), Batshuayi, Remy

Out: Ake, Traore, Atsu, Begovic, Terry, Chalobah, Cuadrado, Costa, Matic, Baba

If this is a reality then only one of our two possible new signings need to be homegrown. 


 

Kenedy counts as U21 in the BPL so wouldn't count as non-homegrown

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2 hours ago, frendz said:

Can is one of the best allround players in the PL. He can play as a CB or a CAM. Very good in defense and attack and also in the air.

Rather go for Tousart than Can tbh

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Can is one of the best allround players in the PL. He can play as a CB or a CAM. Very good in defense and attack and also in the air.

Every time I've watched him thought he was pretty sh*t lol
How come no big (scousers heads explode nationwide) teams are in for him?

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Can is one of the best allround players in the PL. He can play as a CB or a CAM. Very good in defense and attack and also in the air.

Plus he can score incredible goals! All this plus the fact that he can also play as a defender makes him one of the best for me. I will be happy to have him here.

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I'd prefer a master at one position than a jack of all trades to be honest. Can is mediocre at best. We have plenty of all rounders in the squad, we need specialists like Cesc and Kante. 

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I'd prefer a master at one position than a jack of all trades to be honest. Can is mediocre at best. We have plenty of all rounders in the squad, we need specialists like Cesc and Kante. 

Like you will easily pick Costa who can only play better as a center forward over a Sanchez who can play incredibly well anywhere in a front 3? Or you will easily pick Matic over a versatile Essien? Or you will pick Cahill over a versatile Azpilicueta?
Seems you have never watched match whereby all substitutions have been made and then a player gets sent off. Lol, Barcelona VS Chelsea springs into my mind. I wonder what the outcome of that game would have been if Ramires wasn't versatile to play as a Right Back for us!

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