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On 2017-5-23 at 20:19, Carshalton Blue said:

v Sunderland Milk Cup 1985

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You had to be there that night, because no explaining can do that night justice, there seemed to be menace in the air from the minute I started walking to the ground. I have been to other night games at the bridge  over the years with noisy atmospheres but this was so so different, and as a 15 year old it was exhilarating. 

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On 23/05/2017 at 14:08, erskblue said:

I remember that my old man said that Ray Wilkins was one of the best British midfield players he had ever seen.

Believe me,that was high praise.

He was that good. I worshipped him when he was our skipper. He had incredible passing ability and phenomenal technique that let him stroll through games into his 40s. As a youngster he also had real drive and energy and could dominate matches, but he became a lot more conservative when he became a sitting midfielder at Man U, where Bryan Robson had the more attacking midfield role. Wilkins had far more natural talent but Robson was an all-action player who really put himself about. After that Wilkins was not really a holding player like Maka (he was never a great tackler), but a deep controller who never gave the ball away, but didn't display the same creativity he showed when he was with us. He got a lot of unjustified stick for playing possession passes rather than Stevie Me-type 'Hollywood' balls, but he really was a fantastic midfielder.

I hardly ever saw him in Italy or in Scotland, so I don't know if he showed off the full range of his ability there. What do Rangers fans think of him? Do they rate him as highly as Souness (another top class midfielder)?

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15 hours ago, Osgood is Good said:

Seem to remember Houseman being nicknamed "Mary". Does anyone know why ?

I remember that, but I could  never understand why. There was perhaps one season when he was nicknamed 'Hookey Foot' because nearly every time he crossed the ball, it wound up in the stands. Overall though, a dependable elegant player for the Blues.

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Backbiter: Ray Wilkins received a long and loud standing ovation when he was subbed during his last game for Rangers at Ibrox in late 1989.

When he returned with Hibs in autumn of 1996 for a midweek League Cup tie,he was warmly welcomed in the warm up and during the game.

In 1996 he was 40 and still had the class to make space for himself and deliver some very accurate passes.

He os very highly regarded amongst the Rangers supporters who saw him play.

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10 hours ago, Backbiter said:

He was that good. I worshipped him when he was our skipper. He had incredible passing ability and phenomenal technique that let him stroll through games into his 40s. As a youngster he also had real drive and energy and could dominate matches, but he became a lot more conservative when he became a sitting midfielder at Man U, where Bryan Robson had the more attacking midfield role. Wilkins had far more natural talent but Robson was an all-action player who really put himself about. After that Wilkins was not really a holding player like Maka (he was never a great tackler), but a deep controller who never gave the ball away, but didn't display the same creativity he showed when he was with us. He got a lot of unjustified stick for playing possession passes rather than Stevie Me-type 'Hollywood' balls, but he really was a fantastic midfielder.

I hardly ever saw him in Italy or in Scotland, so I don't know if he showed off the full range of his ability there. What do Rangers fans think of him? Do they rate him as highly as Souness (another top class midfielder)?

 

2 hours ago, erskblue said:

Backbiter: Ray Wilkins received a long and loud standing ovation when he was subbed during his last game for Rangers at Ibrox in late 1989.

When he returned with Hibs in autumn of 1996 for a midweek League Cup tie,he was warmly welcomed in the warm up and during the game.

In 1996 he was 40 and still had the class to make space for himself and deliver some very accurate passes.

He os very highly regarded amongst the Rangers supporters who saw him play.

One of the reasons why Ray is highly regarded by Rangers fans. I never tire of watching this goal.

 

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I think Wilkins as a player was better than Souness. Mind you Souness in some games 1986/87 was still complete class and Souness had the managerial responsibility.

My old man thought Jim Baxter would have been sensational at Chelsea after he left Rangers in the mid 1960s.

Mind you the bright lights of London would hardly have helped his off the field activities...

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5 minutes ago, erskblue said:

I think Wilkins as a player was better than Souness. Mind you Souness in some games 1986/87 was still complete class and Souness had the managerial responsibility.

My old man thought Jim Baxter would have been sensational at Chelsea after he left Rangers in the mid 1960s.

Mind you the bright lights of London would hardly have helped his off the field activities...

Jim Baxter at Chelsea would have been brilliant. Him playing alongside Charlie Cooke and then Alan Hudson would have frightened the opposition. As you say, the bright lights of London wouldn't have helped him. 

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8 hours ago, old git said:

I remember that, but I could  never understand why. There was perhaps one season when he was nicknamed 'Hookey Foot' because nearly every time he crossed the ball, it wound up in the stands. Overall though, a dependable elegant player for the Blues.

What I remember about Houseman, was that under pressure from an opposing player and he would deliver a great cross, however with plenty of time and in acres of space, his crossing was less desirable (being kind). And likewise I don't know how/why he got nicknamed 'Mary'.

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