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Over the last few years I have only heard about incidents involving Cardiff, Spurs & Celtic at home that really made the papers- the Cardiff one being the most high profile I think, quite a few well known names doing time for their involvement in that down the Kings Road, a quick look on Youtube has footage of the trouble that day.

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Hooliganism and the EPL don't really go hand in hand these days. If fights occur, I reckon they take place far away from the match venue. Some may see it as an extremely good thing, but it's of course mostly because of expensive tickets that this has become the case. The ticket pricesetting is something not many are fond of, so keeping the top flight clean from this sort of activity has its downside as well.

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Its never gone away & never will, it may on the main be on a smaller scale now but there's still lads young & old still at it when need arises, the Cardiff footage shown was nothing, hand bags at most yet Tarquin from Guildford & the "pregnant women out with their kids" were so shocked by it lads got 2 years bird.

Its not right but it is addictive just like jumping out of a plane at 30,000 feet isnt normal but people do that for fun.

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Its never gone away & never will, it may on the main be on a smaller scale now but there's still lads young & old still at it when need arises, the Cardiff footage shown was nothing, hand bags at most yet Tarquin from Guildford & the "pregnant women out with their kids" were so shocked by it lads got 2 years bird.

Its not right but it is addictive just like jumping out of a plane at 30,000 feet isnt normal but people do that for fun.

Did someone tell you there was a prize for the most moronic comment?

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Just because you don't agree doesn't make it moronic. Fighting is addictive to a lot of people - orgainsed or otherwise, the difference between footaball holiganism and skydiving is that innocent people don't get caught up in skydiving - you can avoid it if you're not interested and despite all the crap (code of honor balls) football holigans will give you the vast majority, once the blood starts pumping don't stop to check if the person they're hitting is there for the fight.

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Just because you don't agree doesn't make it moronic. Fighting is addictive to a lot of people - orgainsed or otherwise, the difference between footaball holiganism and skydiving is that innocent people don't get caught up in skydiving - you can avoid it if you're not interested and despite all the crap (code of honor balls) football holigans will give you the vast majority, once the blood starts pumping don't stop to check if the person they're hitting is there for the fight.

I dread the day a skydiver's 'chute fails to open and they land on someone.

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Did someone tell you there was a prize for the most moronic comment?

As its a thread on hooliganism I would not say that is a moronic comment at all, people are entitled to their opinions and unless you have been living under a rock it is not shocking to learn that there is still an element of people who get a buzz out of fighting at football, for the record I am not one of them but to call someones views on the matter moronic just because they differ from yours seems... dare I say 'moronic'

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As its a thread on hooliganism I would not say that is a moronic comment at all, people are entitled to their opinions and unless you have been living under a rock it is not shocking to learn that there is still an element of people who get a buzz out of fighting at football, for the record I am not one of them but to call someones views on the matter moronic just because they differ from yours seems... dare I say 'moronic'

Your spot on mate, i didnt mean to condone it if it came across like that, as far as i'm concerned i replied to a certain topic.

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As a younger Blue I can't really offer much on this topic but from experience I'd say it still exists. I have seen incidents even as recently as Sunderland Away but nothing major.

I think it's pretty sad to see this days tbh.

It tends to happen when games are cheap and available i.e Wembley.

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As a younger Blue I can't really offer much on this topic but from experience I'd say it still exists. I have seen incidents even as recently as Sunderland Away but nothing major.

I think it's pretty sad to see this days tbh.

It tends to happen when games are cheap and available i.e Wembley.

I've had my concerns about the new Wembley ever since it opened. For me the mixed middle tier is an explosion waiting to happen - picture the scene - Millwall and West Ham meet in the play offs - need I say more.

It got pretty hot under the collar when we played Spurs in the League cup final with some very vocal Spuds right above the Chelsea contingent.

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Your spot on mate, i didnt mean to condone it if it came across like that, as far as i'm concerned i replied to a certain topic.

Although your comment was apparently lost on some people I know exactly what u mean about the trouble on Kings Road after the Cardiff match, was no worse than what goes on every Saturday night in most town centres but because it was related to a football match instead of getting a £60 fixed penalty notice 2 year prison sentances were handed out. I am pretty sure some well known Chelsea heads got time for just being there and 'encouraging' it, didn't even throw or recieve a punch and got 2 years. These days you would probably get a shorter sentance for breaking into someones house and robbing them of everything they own, I just can't get my head around the logic behind that.....

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I've had my concerns about the new Wembley ever since it opened. For me the mixed middle tier is an explosion waiting to happen - picture the scene - Millwall and West Ham meet in the play offs - need I say more.

It got pretty hot under the collar when we played Spurs in the League cup final with some very vocal Spuds right above the Chelsea contingent.

The mixed middle tear is a joke in more ways than one, not only does it break up each set of fans and make it harder to get the whole end singing, like you say there are opposing fans dotted around all over the place, they are the expensive seats though so that is where a lot of their money is made- that section is not even sold via the clubs. Wembley in general is policed quite poorly in my opinion, was at the Arsenal FA cup semi a couple of years ago and before and after there was trouble all down Wembley way with fans just mixed together all the way along, its just asking for trouble at a 5:30 kick off where people have been drinking in the sun all day long- I am really suprised they dont seperate you as soon as you get off the tube, reds to the left, blues to the right with police down the middle to keep them apart but instead they wait untill you get right to the stadium before they do it.

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Although your comment was apparently lost on some people I know exactly what u mean about the trouble on Kings Road after the Cardiff match, was no worse than what goes on every Saturday night in most town centres but because it was related to a football match instead of getting a £60 fixed penalty notice 2 year prison sentances were handed out. I am pretty sure some well known Chelsea heads got time for just being there and 'encouraging' it, didn't even throw or recieve a punch and got 2 years. These days you would probably get a shorter sentance for breaking into someones house and robbing them of everything they own, I just can't get my head around the logic behind that.....

The two well known tv hooligans that were there are the first to admit they were stupid to be anywhere near it, like you say one of them got two years for not even throwing a punch, british justice for you but there's more to it than that, the whole thing was a police set up, when asked why they let 6,000 Cardiff out at the same time as Chelsea fans they came up with a lame excuse about safety issues, so having x amount of fans who have a rivalry going back 30 years off the pitch mix on the streets isnt a safety issue? yeah righto, when the skirmishes did happen the police stood by & filmed it rather than trying to stop it like in previous years, easy work for them, stand there filming not getting their hands dirty, thankfully no one got hurt otherwise the police may have had some awkward questions to anwser.

I cant go in to to many details but lets just say the footage used in court isnt all that its cracked up to be with some of it being edited, hopefully not long until the truth comes out.....

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Going to get spurs away match in december, gonna be briliant. Heard that something was going to be arranged between the spuds and us. Also the mixing of fans at Wembley is an extremely foolish decision. They may do it at rugby but its not going to cut it at football matches.

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Its never gone away & never will, it may on the main be on a smaller scale now but there's still lads young & old still at it when need arises, the Cardiff footage shown was nothing, hand bags at most yet Tarquin from Guildford & the "pregnant women out with their kids" were so shocked by it lads got 2 years bird.

Its not right but it is addictive just like jumping out of a plane at 30,000 feet isnt normal but people do that for fun.

Care to explain that comment?

I posted an opinion about a subject, if you dont like or agree with it fine but why use the word moronic.

Yes, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have posted a flip comment which was in fact my summing up of my thoughts. I was at a friend's house and had only a few minutes on a computer. It would have been better to have posted nothing than to have posted just the last line. I am now back in my own home...

So.. If you want to tell me that there are people who enjoy aggression and violence to the point that they repeat it at frequent intervals, okay, I accept that that is true. It is not however addictive, any more than skydiving is addictive. Our inner cities are not full of people robbing and mugging in order to afford their next fix of skydiving. To use the word "addictive" implies that the person is absolved of responsibility for his actions - he is in the grip of forces which cause him to act in a certain way, which he then shrugs off as being an "addiction".

Whatever consenting adults choose to do with each other is okay by me. As soon as one innocent bystander is involved, however, it becomes a totally different ball-game. It would also be good if they all had private health insurance so that they don't clog up the casualty departments of hospitals trying to save the lives of people who are there through no fault of their own.

So apologies for the use of the word moronic, but I thought your analysis condoned violence by labelling it as an "addiction."

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It will never be like it was back in the past,the whole world has moved on.

Thing is,looking through rose tinted glasses can sometimes give a slightly false impression of how things were in reallity.

There were SO many things that were utter sh*t in the past,the state of the grounds,the way the fuzz treated ALL supporters,with mounted plod & their horses crapping where fans would que to go back to Fulham Broadway,the state of the British Rail specials and so on & so much more.

One thing however,inspite of the aggro of years ago,inspite of all the bother of watching Chelsea back then,I wouldn't swap a moment of that time for a Champions League title of today,I can't really put it into words why,but I will say this,I truly,truly wish more fans of today had the chance to experience those days.

It wasn't all bad by ANY means,you felt more connected with the club then,more connected with your fellow blue,and nobody ever seams to mention the humor that you would hear from the shed,(even when things were really bad).

Good or bad, they are magic memories.

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