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Torres: stay or go?  

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Torres tries...? Yes, he has done for a brace of years. To try hard is well read, though. Notwithstanding, this club needs goals to win games.

 

Torres does not try, that's a lie, his movement is absolutely rubbish, he never gets himself in the right positions he never fights for the ball in the box that's why the defender is always first to it.

 

Demba Ba may not have been a great footballer but he used to feed off scraps and scored a few jammy goals from the other defenders, two of them where notably against spurs and two of them where in his debut game.

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boy there are some real torres haters on this forum. any one would think he was a bad as say andy carrol or darren bent. jesus christ 

 

torres is going nowhere, those are the facts! you are stuck with him. at least he trys when he plays.

 

 

 

Thaank you very much for the input opposition supporter, no doubt anyone support some other team in England hopes we keep him. 

 

Maybe you could pop into the Redcafe forum next and ask them not to write sh*te about Ashley Young or Tom Cleverley, than swing by a thefightingcock and have a pop at them for their treatment of Saldgado.

 

We need more people like you, protecting the rights of professionals making over 100k p/w not being discussed in negative light on football forums. 

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Interestingly Torres and Kalou's goalscoring records aren't that dissimilar, although bear in mind that Kalou spent the vast majority of his Chelsea career on the wing, and also that only 58% of Kalou's appearances for Chelsea were starts, compared to Torres' 67%.

 

Torres has a record of 0.26 goals per game (0.18 in the league)

Kalou has a record of 0.23 goals per game (0.23 in the league)

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Interestingly Torres and Kalou's goalscoring records aren't that dissimilar, although bear in mind that Kalou spent the vast majority of his Chelsea career on the wing, and also that only 58% of Kalou's appearances for Chelsea were starts, compared to Torres' 67%.

Torres has a record of 0.26 goals per game (0.18 in the league)

Kalou has a record of 0.23 goals per game (0.23 in the league)

Absolutely shocking.

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http://www.acmilan.com/en/news/breaking_news_show/63361

 

 

 

CEO Adriano Galliani: "We’re entering the final hours, let’s see if we’re able to buy an important striker. This is the main aim. Torres is definitely an important striker, let’s see if we’re able to get him or another player. Van Ginkel? It’s possible, we’ve written to Chelsea and we’re waiting for a response. We’re quite confident."

 

Straight from the horses mouth. It could actually be happening!

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The origin is on Chelsea news. Milan is more well off to loan Borini that Torres. Much cheaper, I presume.

You realise Chelsea news isn't associated with Chelsea?  In other words it's not creditable at all?  Just some bloke on Twitter?  Other reports are all "it is claimed"  and "according to"  so no more believable than any other rumour.

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Thaank you very much for the input opposition supporter, no doubt anyone support some other team in England hopes we keep him. 

 

Maybe you could pop into the Redcafe forum next and ask them not to write sh*te about Ashley Young or Tom Cleverley, than swing by a thefightingcock and have a pop at them for their treatment of Saldgado.

 

We need more people like you, protecting the rights of professionals making over 100k p/w not being discussed in negative light on football forums. 

 

div don't ever accuse me of supporting another team. opinions are like arsholes every one has,one. some people like you have two,  one to talk out, the other to practice with! i don't have to like torres knockers. just the same as you don't like torres.  

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div don't ever accuse me of supporting another team. 

 

 

Maybe next time you would learn to phrase your sentences better. The way you worded your comment it was easy to interpret it as a comment made by an opposition supporter. That's the reason I bolded a particular part of your quote. 

 

We(as a group of supporters) are stuck with him, if he doesn't leave. 

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If he does stay I really hope Fernando can breakthrough and prove us wrong this season even though it's looking more unlikely that he'll turn things around at the club as time goes on. I've always liked the guy and supported him for as long as I can remember despite some of the criticism I've dished out his way in the past.

Personally I think it's a number of factors and not just one isolated factor. These factors include a loss of confidence, pressure of being a 50m player and the circumstances behind leaving Liverpool to join us on deadline day in January 2011, the decline of his playing abilities (the most notable being his pace) which made him a great striker at Liverpool and the tactics implemented by Chelsea as opposed to Liverpool when he was playing for them. This is my explanation for each factor I've just outlined now:

Loss of Confidence - I think before anything else is said, Torres' decline did not begin at Chelsea as it was occurring at Liverpool from the 2010 World Cup held in South Africa until now. Anyway it's evident that he's lost a lot of confidence. He's second-guessing himself in goal-scoring situations in which he used to thrive in, he's lost that pace that he was aware could beat defenders one on one and was the barometer of his game and the fact that his pace is no longer there and he needs to rely on other avenues to his game to score goals is making him doubt himself in every instance. Also the constant media criticism and the mocking of missing goalscoring opportunities has made him lose confidence. Even Jose Mourinho said recently that Torres seems to be 'lacking self-esteem' to be able to score goals regularly so clearly this idea of lack of confidence is evident in Torres at the present time.

Pressure of being a 50m player and the circumstances behind leaving Liverpool - The constant media attention that Torres has received as a 50m signing for the club hasn't helped his confidence as lack of performance makes him feel extra pressure that other players may not be receiving and every time Torres touches the ball he's under heavy scrutiny which wasn't seen when he played for Atletico Madrid and Liverpool. He's never felt that scrutiny to the extent that I'm discussing ever in his career until he joined Chelsea. The way he left Liverpool obviously angered many Liverpool fans who admired, respected and loved him. He was a hero at Liverpool and played a huge part in their ability to contend for trophies between 2007 to 2010 but the day he left, he instantly became a villain of the club and lost all the respect from their fans. Personally I always sensed that Torres was almost feeling 'guilty' or 'emotional' about leaving Liverpool but he had this desire to win trophies on a regular basis and with a nice wage offered to him, Chelsea was the ideal club for him in the end. Even though Liverpool fans turned on him the most and were most vocal about his departure, there's always been a sense of disapproval and disappointment from the broader football public that he sold himself out as a hero to join Chelsea and he's felt the wrath of that ever since. The stigma of being a 50m signing would definitely have to be a contributing factor in his decline and the fact that most see him as a 'traitor' and 'villain' outside of Chelsea these days. He never experienced this before that.

Playing Abilities - On top of the mental factors that have hindered Torres, I also feel that his playing ability has declined dramatically in the past four years. His biggest strength as a striker was his pace as opposed to having extraordinary technical skill. Before he joined the club it's well-known that Torres had suffered from hamstring and knee injuries which hampered his pace. At Liverpool, pace was the barometer of his game but after these injuries occurred in the latter part of his Liverpool career and then he joined Chelsea it was well-established that his pace couldn't help him anymore and with an already ordinary set of skills this made him far more exposed as opposed to other strikers. Torres' ability to beat one-on-one defenders is rare these days but I do see the occasional glimpse of him doing it, but generally he struggles to shrug off defenders which he was so good at doing when he was Liverpool. As a result of his loss of pace, Torres has struggled to beat defenders and this means he's struggled to score goals for Chelsea. If he was better in his skill level then he may have been able to sustain his goalscoring form from the Liverpool days but without it it's left him exposed and found out by defenders. Along with a loss of pace, age is probably catching up with him as well. He just turned 30 earlier this year so he isn't getting any younger for a footballer.

Change of Tactics - I also believe a change in tactics hasn't helped Torres' cause. At Liverpool he used to play as the lone striker with Kuyt supporting him on various occasions and Gerrard setting him up with through balls and exquisite passes in which he could latch on and beat defenders in. At Chelsea the tactics are different. There's a greater emphasis of collectivism in the way the team plays and there didn't seem to be this emphasis on building the team around Torres so much despite the signings of Mata, Hazard and Oscar at the time. Torres also seemed to change the way he played. He became more unselfish and was setting up others to score goals as opposed to going for them himself so this idea of collectivism has been instilled into him since he left Chelsea but again the loss of pace is a big contributing factor for the way he plays today. However if Torres lost his pace in 2007 for example, he would have struggled at Liverpool as well in my opinion as his game was based around pace and beating defenders to score goals, so I don't think Chelsea has played a massive role in his overall decline as a player in the past four years.

I find that overall Torres' decline is difficult to explain and to ascertain the exact cause of his decline and current problems. There's various factors that need to be considered and I don't think his issue is purely an isolated one. If it was, then I think the problem would have been addressed a long time ago by the Chelsea coaching staff.

All we can hope for now is that he responds in the way most of us don't expect now and he can have a good season and be a useful striker for the club behind Diego Costa and Didier Drogba if he does stay beyond this transfer window. His ability to work hard on the training track cannot be questioned (he's been praised by Mourinho for being a hard worker on the training track) so I hope his hard work can be rewarded in matches this season when he does play.

Who knows maybe this post will be irrelevant within a week but this is based on the idea that he'll stay because the wages he's obtaining at the moment are too high and appealing for him to somehow move elsewhere.

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Sky sports are running with the story that milan have approached Chelsea over Torres

 

dunno if this is anything new following the direct quotes from AC milan yesterday that they were "working on it".

 

the whole thing stinks... they want to take him on loan. CFC want to sell him, torres prefers a permanent deal. Fully expecting "torres talks break down over salary concerns" headlines by tomorrow PM. he's an un-saleable asset and if chelsea manage to simply get him off the books (im not even talking about recouping a transfer fee here) then the board deserve a pat in the back for ending this boring, depressing and monotonous saga.

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If we sell Torres, which in all honesty is best for him and us, we need to get another striker! Schurrle as a 3rd striker won't do. He is a winger and will be on the pitch most of the time anyway. He played upfront against PSG in the first leg and wouldn't stay central. Upfront he has no presence and is ineffecitve, while on the wing, he is able to make effective runs under the radar, without being rigorously marked like a centre forward is. Just having Drogba and Costa would be worrying. If Costa were to get injured Im not sure a 36 year old Drogba could handle a game every 3 days. I really hope Mourinho has another striker lined up should Torres leave.

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