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3 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

 I don't think Matic played every game and there was a few 1-0 wins.

I know your Matics biggest fan though.

He missed the Citeh game through injury but played in all the others.

I think he is very underrated 

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I think fan and player relationship plays a factor for us, too, this season. Glad he's loving it here.

England gave me a lot in my life, in my career.

"I really identify with life in England. With the lifestyle, education, everything.

"My daughter was born here, my wife is from here.

"Of course I`m Spanish, Catalan but I feel really adapted to life here. I`m in love with London, I really like the city, how everyone behaves.

"Everyone treated me like a son from day one."

http://www.chelsea.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=578477#ixzz4ZuJ5NcaC

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5 minutes ago, Tibbers said:

I think fan and player relationship plays a factor for us, too, this season. Glad he's loving it here.

England gave me a lot in my life, in my career.

"I really identify with life in England. With the lifestyle, education, everything.

"My daughter was born here, my wife is from here.

"Of course I`m Spanish, Catalan but I feel really adapted to life here. I`m in love with London, I really like the city, how everyone behaves.

"Everyone treated me like a son from day one."

http://www.chelsea.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=578477#ixzz4ZuJ5NcaC

Good advert for the club come the summer transfer window. 

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11 minutes ago, coco said:

He missed the Citeh game through injury but played in all the others.

I think he is very underrated 

The matic/kante combo played in 9 games together. Matic played 10 games overall.

Fabregas come on against West Brom and Chelsea scored 2mins later.

My point is most teams have 2 CMS but no team in europe have two what I class as more defensive midfielders. At home I don't think you need it when you have the majority of possession. Maybe some away games against the top teams.

Its not I don't rate Matic it's just he isnt as good as Kante which isn't exactly easy.

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3 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

The matic/kante combo played in 9 games together. Matic played 10 games overall.

Fabregas come on against West Brom and Chelsea scored 2mins later.

My point is most teams have 2 CMS but no team in europe have two what I class as more defensive midfielders. At home I don't think you need it when you have the majority of possession. Maybe some away games against the top teams.

Its not I don't rate Matic it's just he isnt as good as Kante which isn't exactly easy.

Kante-Matic was the main reason we got all those clean sheets in that long run. I like clean sheets, they win titles. 

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12 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Maybe it was the ever present defence, goalkeeper and wingbacks and Kante who played 12 out of the 13 games :wink:

Yeah you are right, Matic was just park furniture the whole time.

Kante is a spider who sprints out to catch his prey, Matic is more a cobweb, you can't go near him or he'll tangle you up, they compliment each other easily. And just because no other teams in Europe have 2 defensive CM's, does'nt mean it can't work. Who else in Europe has such a commanding lead in such a difficult and competitive league ?

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6 minutes ago, coco said:

Yeah you are right, Matic was just park furniture the whole time.

Kante is a spider who sprints out to catch his prey, Matic is more a cobweb, you can't go near him or he'll tangle you up, they compliment each other easily. And just because no other teams in Europe have 2 defensive CM's, does'nt mean it can't work. Who else in Europe has such a commanding lead in such a difficult and competitive league ?

I could easily just say which big league in europe had relegation fooder win the league last season?

Regarding the quality of the big teams in this league I think they seriously lack against Europe's best but thats something else.

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4 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

I could easily just say which big league in europe had relegation fooder win the league last season?

Regarding the quality of the big teams in this league I think they seriously lack against Europe's best but thats something else.

Premier league teams cant be that bad. we have a club in our relegation zone on the cusp of the last 8. Remind which leagues do that ?

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5 minutes ago, coco said:

Premier league teams cant be that bad. we have a club in our relegation zone on the cusp of the last 8. Remind which leagues do that ?

Because there teams on the cusp of relegation don't win the league the season before. 

I'm at the end of going backwards and forwards now, it's pointless.

I don't think Matic is rubbish and never said it. Would just prefer Fabregas that's all. You prefer Matic and thats it.

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22 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

I'm at the end of going backwards and forwards now, it's pointless.

 

Seeing as you have lost Tweedledee for the week i thought i would keep you busy.

One last point on the Matic v Fabregas topic, we are going to need both of them for the remaining 12 games, and i trust Conte to decide when he uses them, but some of our fans don't value Matic at all and would like nothing more than to see him benched for the remainder in preference of Cesc. I just don't understand how they can forget what he has helped us achieve so far. That's it.

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22 minutes ago, coco said:

Seeing as you have lost Tweedledee for the week i thought i would keep you busy.

One last point on the Matic v Fabregas topic, we are going to need both of them for the remaining 12 games, and i trust Conte to decide when he uses them, but some of our fans don't value Matic at all and would like nothing more than to see him benched for the remainder in preference of Cesc. I just don't understand how they can forget what he has helped us achieve so far. That's it.

I understand what you're saying and i deffiantly dont forget the player he was and currently is. He was the best DM around two years ago. Me personally i have said from the start of the season I wanted Fabregas in the team and I still stand by that. It's not because I think Matic is rubbish but it's only because Kante is better of the two I would drop Matic. 

I wasn't being disrepectful earlier but I meant it's pointless both of us going backwards and forwards regarding the quality of European leagues.

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11 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

Your taking it too literally. For me Kante is a DM, his not a particularly good passer or creater of chances. I don't mean sit there in front of the front 3 and don't move. You don't need two defensive midfielders in a team. One sits more and protects and the other is more creative. 

Kante and Matic as a pair are not two defensive midfielders. They take it in turns to press high which results in them being able to do it for a whole match as they are sharing the load.

Fabregas can't do the defensive side of this let's call it jobshare so when he plays the one he's paired with is forced to be more of a pure defensive midfielder. But Fabregas can't do the press for much more than 60 minutes.

This is why Fabregas tends to most of the time only start games where we expect to be more dominant.

Our midfield can be improved but Fabregas is not the answer, the answer is a more polished partner for Kante than Matic, a Bakayoko, Verratti, Rakitic.

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1 hour ago, startedwithglenn said:

Kante and Matic as a pair are not two defensive midfielders. They take it in turns to press high which results in them being able to do it for a whole match as they are sharing the load.

Fabregas can't do the defensive side of this let's call it jobshare so when he plays the one he's paired with is forced to be more of a pure defensive midfielder. But Fabregas can't do the press for much more than 60 minutes.

This is why Fabregas tends to most of the time only start games where we expect to be more dominant.

Our midfield can be improved but Fabregas is not the answer, the answer is a more polished partner for Kante than Matic, a Bakayoko, Verratti, Rakitic.

Hardly any other team play with two defensive midfielders. In my eyes they are both defensive midfielders who don't offer much in attack. Both don't need to play.

Its funny really, Chelsea won the league by 8 points 2 years ago with Fabregas in the team losing just 3 games. Everyone else gets a free pass after last year including Hazard and Costa but it seems Fabregas is a weak link now. It will be hard to find someone with the creativity of Fabregas.

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1 hour ago, Ivanov87 said:

Matic has a few bad games so some fans prefer Fabregas to start. According to some brain dead morons on this site, it means the fans hate Matic and want him dead. Apparently since Conte agrees with us and decides to start Fabregas that must mean he also despises Matic too. 

Logic. 

Just about hanging on in here, I reckon.  Joined in November, nearly 600 posts, the majority of which are attacking someone or other, with very little insight or sense.  You must be great fun in the playground at break time.

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17 hours ago, coco said:

Kante is a spider who sprints out to catch his prey, Matic is more a cobweb, you can't go near him or he'll tangle you up, they compliment each other easily.

Haha that's a great analogy.

Although Matic has his flaws and blips (like any other player to be fair), he was immense for us in our title winning campaign and has been the same this season. I feel people criticise Conte's continuous selection of Matic because they don't see enough diversity in the team. I understand that completely, but those who are saying he needs to be sold/replaced need to get a grip and come to terms that he is a fundamental part of our team.

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18 hours ago, Sindre said:

Matt Law reporting AC Milan will bid for him this summer. 27£ million he says they will bid and that Mourinho is keeping an eye on him as well.

 

Can't see Cesc going to AC. Elite players like him need Champions League football, which we can offer him next season. If he went to Italy it'd be Juve only, maybe Roma if they sold Radja (hopefully to us). 

United won't happen as he said it himself he loves London and as long as he's in England I can only see him living and playing in London.

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12 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

Hardly any other team play with two defensive midfielders. In my eyes they are both defensive midfielders who don't offer much in attack. Both don't need to play.

Its funny really, Chelsea won the league by 8 points 2 years ago with Fabregas in the team losing just 3 games. Everyone else gets a free pass after last year including Hazard and Costa but it seems Fabregas is a weak link now. It will be hard to find someone with the creativity of Fabregas.

I also have no idea how the hell he becomes our weak link.. bide your time, conte seems to have finally seen the light and putting his faith on cesc now..  They need proof so if cesc didn't play then nothing you say would make sense to them so wait, you'll have your chance..

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23 minutes ago, bola said:

I also have no idea how the hell he becomes our weak link.. bide your time, conte seems to have finally seen the light and putting his faith on cesc now.. 

Cesc was dropped after 55 mins when were drubbed 3-0 at the Emirates and were 8th in the table, four points behind Spuds.

For the next 9 games Cesc never got a look in, we won every game, went from 8th to top, 7 points ahead of Spuds.

In what way has Conte "Finally seen the light" ??

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9 minutes ago, coco said:

Cesc was dropped after 55 mins when were drubbed 3-0 at the Emirates and were 8th in the table, four points behind Spuds.

For the next 9 games Cesc never got a look in, we won every game, went from 8th to top, 7 points ahead of Spuds.

In what way has Conte "Finally seen the light" ??

when the winning streak ended and we were unable to kick start another long winning run...

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