Jose and Transfers

[The Brit]

A lot of the players that are no longer here weren't good enough for chelsea but we got good money for...we are leading the title race from day one this season, most of the players on that list were never part of chelsea side challenging for a league title...plus a lot of players he signed will be around for a few years, not as if we signed a bunch of 30 year olds...

I would however, now with hindsight, question signing of Luis, who has not shown Atletico form for us, has been back up to Dave, something bertrand could easily have done

Edited March 13, 2015 by The Brit

[The Brit]

Only real regret is probably de bruyne. Not sure where this talk of he had his chance, had a bad attitude etc. He only made 9 appearances, played very well in his first game, then wasn't given any opportunity to acclimatise to a new league and new team mates.

We started under jose with hazard, Mata, Oscar, schurrle, de bruyne, and willian.

Are we better off now? Not in that department but we have improved in other areas. I guess the most worrying thing is that despite all this quality and various abilities from the options we had available, we still struggle attacking.

I think Mourinho should have had us playing better going forward, with the players he has had to work with. At the moment it's still very much give it to hazard, which was the case last season. There was good signs in the earlier part of the season, but we now look as poor as last season in the final 3rd.

De bruyne wanted to leave

[Zeta]

Only real regret is probably de bruyne. Not sure where this talk of he had his chance, had a bad attitude etc. He only made 9 appearances, played very well in his first game, then wasn't given any opportunity to acclimatise to a new league and new team mates.

We started under jose with hazard, Mata, Oscar, schurrle, de bruyne, and willian.

Are we better off now? Not in that department but we have improved in other areas. I guess the most worrying thing is that despite all this quality and various abilities from the options we had available, we still struggle attacking.

I think Mourinho should have had us playing better going forward, with the players he has had to work with. At the moment it's still very much give it to hazard, which was the case last season. There was good signs in the earlier part of the season, but we now look as poor as last season in the final 3rd.

 

I'm not sure you could say we've really improved in many areas except attack and CM, where it was hard to get any worse.

 

Courtois is great, but so is Cech so about the same.

 

Defensively we;ve signed Luis who looks okay, but has only made a handful of appearances, and Zouma who looks promising, but its too early to say yet. Whilst we replaced Luiz, who was hit and miss, but did ocasionally have a blinder.

 

Central midfield we've certainly improved with the signings of Matic and Fabregas. However we are defintely missing Lampard and his ability to shoot from outside the box, we never do that any more, trying to walk it in all the time. Ramires seems to be much worse than he used to be, lacking in the pace and energy he once had. And Mikel is Mikel.

 

Attacking midfield, we've gone from Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Shurrle and De Bruyne, to: Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Salah (and then he's gone), Cuadrado. That to me is a big downgrade in quality. Mata was awesome. Shurrle offered us something completely different to the others. De Bruyne is proving himself in Germany where he's actually given an extended chance. Whilst Salah was signed and then almost immediately cast aside, and Cuudrado has looked average at best on the occasions Jose has actually decided to play him.

 

Attack, well we couldn't get much worse than Torres, Eto'o and Ba, so obviously we've improved. But what was the point of signing Remy if he's never given a game? Even a 37 year old Drogba is used ahead of him.

 

 

Overall, Jose has made a couple of great transfers since he came in:

 

Matic

Fabregas

Costa

Zouma (potentially)

£50m for Luiz

 

But the rest:

 

Mata out

De Bruyne out

Shurrle out

Salah in and then out

Cuadrado in

Luis in

Remy in

Drogba in

 

Are somewhat suspect.

 

He's building a team to last the next 10 years, and whilst we look on track to win the PL this season, i'm worried about the profile of player he seems to be focusing on - valuing workrate about actual talent in a lot of cases

[big blue]

De bruyne wanted to leave

Because he was dropped after 2 games. The first of which he was probably motm.

[mad_mac]

Broadly speaking, I think he's done fantastic work in the market. The ultimate aim is to win the league and we're 5 points ahead. He's also done that on a profit in the last few windows.

 

 

Agreed; however, I do share the concern that we're failing to sign for the future under his tenure.  And with that being said, can we continue to operate at a profit?

 

The amounts we got for Luiz, Mata, and Lukaku (none of whom were Jose signings?) were astronomical.  If we were to sell some of our squad off now; hypothetically lets say, Cahill, Oscar, and Salah.  I don't think we'd get nearly as much for them.  We'd pile all that money potentially into buying Varane or Pogba, and then have to dip into Roman's pockets again to further bolster the team.

 

I do think Jose loves an "athlete" and not many up and coming players have proven themselves enough to catch Jose's eye and warrant a starting spot in his teams.  Some of his signings, Smertin, Thiago, Jarosik, don't really fill me with a lot of confidence.

[Remodez]

I would however, now with hindsight, question signing of Luis, who has not shown Atletico form for us, has been back up to Dave, something bertrand could easily have done

Because he's barely played. 

[dan_cfc]

Jose has never been the type to make signings for the future his mindset is to win at all costs and he will buy players who will work there arses off to follow his gameplan irrespective of how talented they are. You have to respect that is a strategy that has worked tremendously for him over the years (His record speaks for itself). I think we all would love to see the talented players like De Bruyne having stayed and given freedom in the team but the target is trophies and this strategy has been proven to be a success and win multiple trophies down the years for Jose, Trust in Jose he knows best.

[the special one]

Bertrand is nowhere near the same league as Ash or even Felipe Luis. I wouldn't be confident if he was England's first choice left back put it that way. Overrated and very average.

[Scott Harris]

Bertrand is nowhere near the same league as Ash or even Felipe Luis. I wouldn't be confident if he was England's first choice left back put it that way. Overrated and very average.

 

Whenever he played for us he did a good job and he's now part of a team that has the best defensive record in the league, he must be doing something right.

[Remodez]

Bertrand will never be good enough for some it seems, despite him proving himself countless times. 

[g3.7]

Agreed; however, I do share the concern that we're failing to sign for the future under his tenure.  And with that being said, can we continue to operate at a profit?

 

The amounts we got for Luiz, Mata, and Lukaku (none of whom were Jose signings?) were astronomical.  If we were to sell some of our squad off now; hypothetically lets say, Cahill, Oscar, and Salah.  I don't think we'd get nearly as much for them.  We'd pile all that money potentially into buying Varane or Pogba, and then have to dip into Roman's pockets again to further bolster the team.

 

I do think Jose loves an "athlete" and not many up and coming players have proven themselves enough to catch Jose's eye and warrant a starting spot in his teams.  Some of his signings, Smertin, Thiago, Jarosik, don't really fill me with a lot of confidence.

I liked tiago (and IMO he wasn't primarily an athlete, he owes his career to his brain), jarosik was pretty rubbish (but cheap) and smertin signed a year before jose arrived (and was a decent player).

 

 

 

I don't think it is completely true to say he's not signing for the future. he signed zouma after all. he signed salah (of course, he also let him go)- luis aside anyone he's spent money on has a good few years in them.

 

given the increased tv money I don't think signing players is going to prove a problem, but if you think about all of the players we have out on loan (salah, moses, van ginkel [another young jose signing] etc) there is plenty of money we could make. and while the club is signing young players  like pasalic I don't mind whether they are attributed to jose or not. in theory either they convince him of their worth or we sell them on at a profit. it seems like a system that is working.

 

this team is developing still and improving. I think the club as a whole is doing better than nearly anyone else in the league in its approach to the market. I know that we seemingly can't exit a champions league campaign without everything being questioned but, while obviously it is impossible to get everything right, I think at last we've got a manager and a set up that doesn't need much questioning. it's working.

[Michael440]

De bruyne wanted to leave

Of course because he was on the bench most of the time. Can't blame him for that.

Edited March 13, 2015 by Michael440

[Chelsbear]

Of course because he was on the bench most of the time. Can't blame him for that.

He was in the door for what 5 minutes?

What about trying to prove yourself and fighting for a place in the team?

You are never going to make it at a big club if you throw your toys out the pram because you have been dropped. It's a mans game for goodness sake

[big blue]

He was in the door for what 5 minutes?

What about trying to prove yourself and fighting for a place in the team?

You are never going to make it at a big club if you throw your toys out the pram because you have been dropped. It's a mans game for goodness sake

He wasn't even getting in the squads though. what was willian doing to earn his place in the squad at the time? Willian got a shot ahead of de bruyne, because of his price tag.

[Chelsbear]

He wasn't even getting in the squads though. what was willian doing to earn his place in the squad at the time? Willian got a shot ahead of de bruyne, because of his price tag.

He must have applied himself in training, none of us know in reality.

However a player wanting to move a few months after joining a massive club because he's not a first pick tells me he didn't have the mind set to be at Chelsea. Imagine if others did the same like Azpi when he first joined or even further back when Drogba was struggling to get in the first 11.

Difference is they applied themselves and made it impossible for the manager to leave them out.

[Bobbywoodhogan]

De Brunye was in the first team and his form dipped thats why he was dropped.

He's become new Sturridge/Lukaku, everytime he scores or assists it people on here have a panic attack

Edited March 13, 2015 by Bobbywoodhogan

[big blue]

He must have applied himself in training, none of us know in reality.

However a player wanting to move a few months after joining a massive club because he's not a first pick tells me he didn't have the mind set to be at Chelsea. Imagine if others did the same like Azpi when he first joined or even further back when Drogba was struggling to get in the first 11.

Difference is they applied themselves and made it impossible for the manager to leave them out.

How do you know he asked for a transfer? It's funny you maje out that azpiliucueta sat in the stands for 6 months and bided his time. When in actual fact azpiliucueta was given 6 or 7 consecutive starts in the league starting November.

By the time January came azpiliucueta was first choice. So there's no way of knowing how he would have reacted in de bruyne position, because he never had it as tough.

You can't speculate over who has or hasn't applied themselves in training. That's pure guess work. All you can go off is watching players play, an de bruyne looked promising on loan, and in preseason, started the first game, got motm, started against United 10 days later, then never got amother minute of premiership football.

Now he is looking the real deal at wolfsburg, and you surely have to question whether could have done more to make use of his obvious talents.

[big blue]

De Brunye was in the first team and his form dipped thats why he was dropped.

He's become new Sturridge/Lukaku, everytime he scores or assists it people on here have a panic attack

How can u say his form dipped? He started 2 games, and came off the bench in 1, then didn't play anymore league minutes after that. Hardly enough minutes to be in or out of form.

[enigma]

and yet cuadrado gets slated for not showing enough already in a similar amount of time in the first team! 

[mad_mac]

I liked tiago (and IMO he wasn't primarily an athlete, he owes his career to his brain), jarosik was pretty rubbish (but cheap) and smertin signed a year before jose arrived (and was a decent player).

 

 

 

I don't think it is completely true to say he's not signing for the future. he signed zouma after all. he signed salah (of course, he also let him go)- luis aside anyone he's spent money on has a good few years in them.

 

given the increased tv money I don't think signing players is going to prove a problem, but if you think about all of the players we have out on loan (salah, moses, van ginkel [another young jose signing] etc) there is plenty of money we could make. and while the club is signing young players  like pasalic I don't mind whether they are attributed to jose or not. in theory either they convince him of their worth or we sell them on at a profit. it seems like a system that is working.

 

this team is developing still and improving. I think the club as a whole is doing better than nearly anyone else in the league in its approach to the market. I know that we seemingly can't exit a champions league campaign without everything being questioned but, while obviously it is impossible to get everything right, I think at last we've got a manager and a set up that doesn't need much questioning. it's working.

 

Was it Zhirkov I was thinking of and not Smertin?  Anyway, I agree with what you're saying.  I think that the academy is going to produce someone sometime soon, and if it doesn't, we're certainly raising teh status of a  lot of those youngsters who will be sold on to playing careers elsewhere, so I do think we'll see that being to our advantage (as cold as that may seem).

 

I still do feel that we'll see us miss with a few signings, and we'll see us "sell a few to get a star" type transactions in the future.  There's no one I'd rather have as manager, believe me, but I do feel Jose prefers a "complete footballer" over anyone seen as "attacking, and flair."

[croydonblue]

How do you know he asked for a transfer? It's funny you maje out that azpiliucueta sat in the stands for 6 months and bided his time. When in actual fact azpiliucueta was given 6 or 7 consecutive starts in the league starting November.

By the time January came azpiliucueta was first choice. So there's no way of knowing how he would have reacted in de bruyne position, because he never had it as tough.

You can't speculate over who has or hasn't applied themselves in training. That's pure guess work. All you can go off is watching players play, an de bruyne looked promising on loan, and in preseason, started the first game, got motm, started against United 10 days later, then never got amother minute of premiership football.

Now he is looking the real deal at wolfsburg, and you surely have to question whether could have done more to make use of his obvious talents.

i thought he played well, the couple of time s he played for us and that was it nothing and then he's off!

[Chelsbear]

How do you know he asked for a transfer? It's funny you maje out that azpiliucueta sat in the stands for 6 months and bided his time. When in actual fact azpiliucueta was given 6 or 7 consecutive starts in the league starting November.

By the time January came azpiliucueta was first choice. So there's no way of knowing how he would have reacted in de bruyne position, because he never had it as tough.

You can't speculate over who has or hasn't applied themselves in training. That's pure guess work. All you can go off is watching players play, an de bruyne looked promising on loan, and in preseason, started the first game, got motm, started against United 10 days later, then never got amother minute of premiership football.

Now he is looking the real deal at wolfsburg, and you surely have to question whether could have done more to make use of his obvious talents.

Eh it's common knowledge he asked to go unless you are calling Jose and De Bruyne fibbers.

'After the press conference in Bucharest I even started training harder, even on my days off. I lost three kilos and two percent fat - although we could get everything at the club: coke, chocolate.

'My situation has never changed. That's why I asked him in a friendly way: 'please let me go.''

He asked to leave, he didn't want to be here, end of story.

[carrickblue]

Maybe Jose will be happier to give youth a chance once he has won the league title.

If we do win it this season there won't be the same pressure, the return of the special one will have been a success.

[Chelsbear]

Maybe Jose will be happier to give youth a chance once he has won the league title.

If we do win it this season there won't be the same pressure, the return of the special one will have been a success.

Judging by his comments Next season we should see more of guys like RLC, it would be nice to have the luxury to play them in the run in but I don't think the league will be decided until the final few fixtures.

[big blue]

Eh it's common knowledge he asked to go unless you are calling Jose and De Bruyne fibbers.

'After the press conference in Bucharest I even started training harder, even on my days off. I lost three kilos and two percent fat - although we could get everything at the club: coke, chocolate.

'My situation has never changed. That's why I asked him in a friendly way: 'please let me go.''

He asked to leave, he didn't want to be here, end of story.

Why did he ask to leave? Because he wasn't given a fair crack. Which is what I have said all along. not sure why u brought up azpiliucueta or drogba who have never been marginalised as much de bruyne was in thee chelsea career.

Do u think de bruyne was given enough opportunities to develop into an important player for us?