Jose and Transfers

[Chelsbear]

Why did he ask to leave? Because he wasn't given a fair crack. Which is what I have said all along. not sure why u brought up azpiliucueta or drogba who have never been marginalised as much de bruyne was in thee chelsea career.

Do u think de bruyne was given enough opportunities to develop into an important player for us?

He was given game time to begin with and then Jose said he wasn't doing enough in training, why are we to believe any different? Do you not trust Jose as being truthful?

[g3.7]

Was it Zhirkov I was thinking of and not Smertin?  Anyway, I agree with what you're saying.  I think that the academy is going to produce someone sometime soon, and if it doesn't, we're certainly raising teh status of a  lot of those youngsters who will be sold on to playing careers elsewhere, so I do think we'll see that being to our advantage (as cold as that may seem).

 

I still do feel that we'll see us miss with a few signings, and we'll see us "sell a few to get a star" type transactions in the future.  There's no one I'd rather have as manager, believe me, but I do feel Jose prefers a "complete footballer" over anyone seen as "attacking, and flair."

zhirkov signed after he left. but yeah I accept he definitely has a preference for the 6ft tall super athletic box-to-box types.

 

makes the fabregas signing all the more encouraging though I suppose.

 

obviously there is much less scope for error in the market compared to when he was first here. early days obviously but the schurrle / cuadrado swap is potentially the first real / signficant error (given that other sales funded players who have proven to be important to us)...

[Stim]

Why did he ask to leave? Because he wasn't given a fair crack. Which is what I have said all along. not sure why u brought up azpiliucueta or drogba who have never been marginalised as much de bruyne was in thee chelsea career.

 

Azpi got his debut almost 2 months into the season after he was signed. He just performed when he did get played though.

[Michael440]

He was in the door for what 5 minutes?

What about trying to prove yourself and fighting for a place in the team?

You are never going to make it at a big club if you throw your toys out the pram because you have been dropped. It's a mans game for goodness sake

He would have to prove himself against Hazard. And also there is favoritism factor.

[Michael440]

De Brunye was in the first team and his form dipped thats why he was dropped.

He's become new Sturridge/Lukaku, everytime he scores or assists it people on here have a panic attack

Well Kevin is way more consistent than Lukaku was last season. I think he will be a big name in a year or so. Watch him progress.

[big blue]

He was given game time to begin with and then Jose said he wasn't doing enough in training, why are we to believe any different? Do you not trust Jose as being truthful?

I'm not naive enough to take everything Mourinho says as gospel. Like I said, I think we should have done more to tap into de bruynes potential, if we had spent 25m on him, we would have done.

Not all the best players are the best trainers either. I remember hearing stories of how poor mark Hughes looked in training, but come to match day he was a different animal.

I don't constitute less than 180 minutes of league football in 5 months as a fair crack for a player of de bruyne potential.

Apart from de bruyne I think we've done okay with the transfers. I was disappointed to lose mata and Lukaku, but we got over market value for them.

I guess the ultimate assessment on how well we've done will be over the next couple of seasons.

[The Brit]

Because he was dropped after 2 games. The first of which he was probably motm.

I thought it was harsh at the time too, but when given the odd chance to prove Jose wrong, like against mighty Swindon in the a league cup, he was dreadful...Salah was a similar story this season..think in Jose's mind, it reflects badly on their character/mentality.

Jose did want to only send de bruyne out on loan to get more football, not permanently, but de bruyne wanted permanent move...so given how many people slag mata off for wanting to leave, what's the difference?

I have nothing against de bruyne and glad he's doing well...just not sure why after going out of cl we are suddenly crying about players who have left...Jose said today how the media is like the wind, blows one way or the other, seems some fans are guilty of it too...we could still end the season with the title and league cup with the current squad...it still needs improving for cl next season, but let's not go overboard here

Edited March 13, 2015 by The Brit

[big blue]

I thought it was harsh at the time too, but when given the odd chance to prove Jose wrong, like against mighty Swindon in the a league cup, he was dreadful...Salah was a similar story this season..think in Jose's mind, it reflects badly on their character/mentality.

Jose did want to only send de bruyne out on loan to get more football, not permanently, but de bruyne wanted permanent move...so given how many people slag mata off for wanting to leave, what's the difference?

I have nothing against de bruyne and glad he's doing well...just not sure why after going out of cl we are suddenly crying about players who have left...Jose said today how the media is like the wind, blows one way or the other, seems some fans are guilty of it too...we could still end the season with the title and league cup with the current squad...it still needs improving for cl next season, but let's not go overboard here

not too sure about crying about players that have left because of our champions league exit. There's been plenty of discussion about de bruyne pretty much since he left. I'm just answering honestly to the topic. It would be pretty boring if everyone just said jose has got every transfer spot on since he's come back. I think he's made a few mistakes over the years with transfers, and I personally think this is another one.

[The Brit]

My reply wasn't directed at you per se, just the topic in general....it's easy to play the ifs buts and maybes whether a player could have worked if he'd stayed...he has little pressure at Wolfsburg compared to chelsea so I don't think anyone can just say what he's doing in Bundesliga and Europa lge, he could be doing for chelsea now...fact is he was here and Jose didn't like enough what he saw...

Not saying Jose hugest everything right either...he's put his faith in Oscar and he's disappeared again...maybe if de bruyne was willing to do the ugly defensive work that Oscar does, then he'd have been given more chances and would be in no.10 role instead?

[big blue]

My reply wasn't directed at you per se, just the topic in general....it's easy to play the ifs buts and maybes whether a player could have worked if he'd stayed...he has little pressure at Wolfsburg compared to chelsea so I don't think anyone can just say what he's doing in Bundesliga and Europa lge, he could be doing for chelsea now...fact is he was here and Jose didn't like enough what he saw...

Not saying Jose hugest everything right either...he's put his faith in Oscar and he's disappeared again...maybe if de bruyne was willing to do the ugly defensive work that Oscar does, then he'd have been given more chances and would be in no.10 role instead?

Possibly mate, I think it's gonna be a big end of season for oscar, if he doesn't finish strongly then he could come under threat in the summer.

Edited March 13, 2015 by big blue

[Bobbywoodhogan]

How can u say his form dipped? He started 2 games, and came off the bench in 1, then didn't play anymore league minutes after that. Hardly enough minutes to be in or out of form.

He got league cup games aswell but was poor in those

[AsianBoy]

We had to seel de bruyne cause courtois slept with his girlfriend. plus courtois is worth so much more than de bruyne...

[BenCFC19]

We had to seel de bruyne cause courtois slept with his girlfriend. plus courtois is worth so much more than de bruyne...

Really? Christ, didn't know that. People really do some daft things at times

[Remodez]

We had to seel de bruyne cause courtois slept with his girlfriend. plus courtois is worth so much more than de bruyne...

Can people stop spreading this rubbish, his sale had nothing to do with this.

[jack_super_class]

We had to seel de bruyne cause courtois slept with his girlfriend. plus courtois is worth so much more than de bruyne...

 

Yet they play together for Belgium...

[Michael440]

We had to seel de bruyne cause courtois slept with his girlfriend. plus courtois is worth so much more than de bruyne...

This is Bull sh*t! It didn't happen! He didn't sleep with de Bruyne's girlfriend.

[Remodez]

He got league cup games aswell but was poor in those

Funny how people remember the Swindon game, a game in which everyone was poor but convientlly forget the Arsenal game in which he was one of best players. 

[Bobbywoodhogan]

Funny how people remember the Swindon game, a game in which everyone was poor but convientlly forget the Arsenal game in which he was one of best players.

He didn't perform well in that Arsenal game either, don't know what you think you saw

[Blue Daze]

De Bruyne apparently had the option to stay and fight but chose to go back to a league he knew and had success with. Already he's talking about a move to a'big' club so you have to question his motivation and thats something José won't tolerate.

[Remodez]

He didn't perform well in that Arsenal game either, don't know what you think you saw

Everyone performed well, it was a great team performance. Some excelled more than others and before he was taken off to preserve our lead once Wenger went all attack, he was playing very well.

[Krc-fan]

Oh, my God, Asianboy.

 

That's ambition, Blue Daze.

Kevin says nothing, by the way. Some great clubs spread rumors.

 

I saw a very good KDB in his first preparition games with Chelsea, Bobbywoodhogan. In my eyes, the best Chelsea player at that moment. If he had played the finale against Munich you guys would have seen another finale and another KDB.

 

After the preparation games, it was done for Kevin. Strange. Some awful minutes when no one was good.

Watch your timelaps, Asianboy. It had nothing to do with Thibaut.

 

And nothing with Mister Mourinho or his transfers.

Edited March 14, 2015 by Krc-fan

[Blue Daze]

 

That's ambition, Blue Daze.

 

Shame he couldn't show the same ambition when he was here and fight for his spot. Instead he went to a smaller team and that's fine, but it's a shame for all parties.

[big blue]

I think there's some harsh judgements on de bruyne here.

He came back from loan having broken into a belgium side that is one of the best in the world. We then signed willian for big money, who wasn't on the international scene, and we signed schurrle who had a similar season, with a much better team in the Bundesliga.

He played well in preseason, got motm on his debut and then he was dropped for the following game? Since that motm performance, he got a similar number of minutes as what nathan ake has had this season. So we effectively treated an international pedigree player, the same way we treat youth team players!

He only played 395 minutes for us in 5 months, he wasn't made to feel a part of club, and was pretty much frozen out since August. I'd be questioning his ambition more if he was happy to sit in the stands. I'm not suprized he wanted to leave, he wasn't given a fair shot. The odd carling cup game isn't a chance. Anyone who thinks that 9 games and 400 minutes is enough to decide whether a 21 year old player is good enough, is crazy.

Even salah got 3 times as many minutes before he was shunted out on loan. I'm not holding much hope for cuadrado at this rate, because if he doesn't perform in his next 2/3 games, people will be saying he's had his chance and proved he's not good enough. What chance do youth team players stand, when full internationals aren't given a run of games to perform.

[Krc-fan]

But he did, Blue Daze. Don't know any guy who doesn't want to show his ambition in Chelsea. Chelsea was (and is, I guess) his dream club, you know?

 

No doubt. Kevin shows his ambition always and everywhere (see topic KDB). Also in Chelsea. I know Kevin and Thibaut very well. They have an amazing ambition. They will succeed! No talks. Just playing football.

 

And, in my opion, Kevin is the most hard working football player I ever met.

 

For a reason, it came to a split. But, that's life. It's not necessary to search for some reasons. Things happens.

 

Don't think, it's a shame for all parties. Kevin is happy. Your club is happy with the money. Kevin has a fantastic season. Thibaut gets a new title.The biggest shame is for my team, Racing Genk. We should have ask more english pounds.

 

Correct, Big Blue.

I agree.

 

And that's no blame. I wish Chelsea all the best!

Edited March 14, 2015 by Krc-fan

[Chelsbear]

He didn't have the mentality for it, he didn't want to fight for his place.

In the end he asked to leave, what are we meant to do?

In the end his fee enabled us to bring in far better players that have won us a cup and have us 5 points clear with just over 10'games left.

Pining over something that was never going to work at the club is pretty pointless IMO.

Edited March 14, 2015 by Chelsbear