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3 hours ago, Nibs said:

Anyone who honestly thinks that a Top Coach like Conte would deliberately try and sabotage our season must be crazy. I can only imagine that they also subscribe to all the crazy conspiracy theories down the years.

I will concede that he has been stubborn. Like many coaches, he clearly has players he trusts and has been guilty of over-playing them, but I have to agree with Saaladin, the options to bring in are very underwhelming. Drinkwater, Barkley, Bakayoko, Pedro, Zappercosta.............these are not players who would be getting into our rivals starting 11. Too many of our good youngsters are out on loan although I do think Ampadu would have got more minutes if he hadn't got injured. 

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And who's fault is that? Is it purely the board's fault? I'm sure we've been without a director of football for a while also.

Conte was constantly going on about lack of depth last season, but after we signed a lot of players he started saying something along the lines of we have too many players and it's easier to bring in 3 good players instead of transitioning 6/7 players. 

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1 hour ago, Slojo said:

It's probably not over 20 million like the media is claiming but it'll definitely be over 10 million which is still a lot of money.

I don't think it's comparable to the Mourinho situation really, I do remember Mourinho taking some responsibility, Conte has taken 0 and he has gone to war with the board. He's taken it public all season that he's not getting the players he wanted but he's barely even using his squad depth or his options. 

Financially I think it makes perfect sense, the board can be scapegoated, he's still won the league, he gets a big payoff. Any club would still take him as manager due to his first season succession. I don't think that's hard to believe actually. 

How much will we have to pay all of the staff Conte brought with him ?. Conte is reportedly looking at a 9 - 10 million pay off, his entourage could be another 10 million. I don't know the actual figures, maybe some on here have a better idea of the cost.

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16 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Ok. 

Conte has underutilised

1. Batsman. Playing a false rather than give a proven goalscorer the chance

2. Emerson. 12 mins (or thereabouts) of premier league football . Whike he may have been purchased for the future, this is a player who made 25 starts in serie A last season. Deserved a proper chance.

3. Ampadu. Hardly any EPL minutes. Great message to send to a player who a) was motm for us in some carabao games, b) looked assured whenever he has played 3) is a full international at this silly young age. Deserved more minutes.

4. Drinkwater. Seriously underutilised. Has been better than Baka all season, and should have been rotated far more regularly with cesc. I actually believe there is  an argument than in a 2 man middle he he should be starting ahead of fabregas. Steady, picks a pass, eye for goal. Conte seems to be making a point by using so rarely.

5. CHO. Brightest young player we have. With our attackers struggling for fitness or form, the lad should have been given a chance. But no way. Not on Contes watch. Instead just keep selecting the same old established players over and over.

 

Edit...wtf has happened to Luiz? Is he injured? Really injured? Or a Diego Costa back problem injured?

I can do this all day long - I mean people need to at least check into the factual aspects of their arguments. Its very apparent that fans just want to scapegoat Conte because the board and Abramovich are untouchable. 

So again....

1. Batsman -- Conte gave him several starting opportunities and he NEVER played well. Always struggled in all his starts even against weaker competition. Even to the point where Conte was asked in press conferences why Bats has struggled when starting matches and why he only seems to have impact in games when coming on in the last few minutes as a substitute. Conte said he was still a developing player and needs to adapt to Chelsea's way of playing. Why would Conte continue to start a player who has not shown he can handle playing in our system? In Dortmund he is playing in a weaker league and in a different style of play. 

2. Emerson -- You're talking about a guy who didn't even play at his own club before joining Chelsea so I'm not even going to address this point. He may be a talented kid but was far from match fitness when he joined.

3. Most Chelsea fans are well aware that Ampadu was getting minutes and that Conte was excited about him and hid involvement in the first team - He then got injured and hasn't been back from injury since.

4. Drinkwater I agree has been underused. But we have had very important matches since he has returned to full fitness (he's had long injury absences twice this season) and Conte prefers Fabregas' passing to anything Drinkwater brings. He has been just OK since joining Chelsea so when trying to win CL matches and staying in the top 4 chase Conte has relied on the more creative Fabregas and better defensive player in Kante. Drinkwater doesn't really bring his own unique quality to the table so Conte has never been compelled to use him. When fit that is.

5. I would love to see more of CHO, however, Conte has Hazard and Willian ahead of him. And behind those two is Pedro who hasn't been getting many minutes himself. So what should Conte do? Play CHO over Pedro? 

Luiz has been injured all season. Yes there was an issue between him and Conte but he is legitimately injured and Conte has confirmed that in the past. Luiz was reported to have traveled to Spain to visit with specialists regarding his knee. 

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5 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

Aren't you not being arsed to argue with a top top football coach?  From Canada?  Specialising in teenage girls?  I knew the name, but he hasn't been around for some time, so it took a while for my old brain to make the connections again.

Yes because you know me and what I have done in football in Canada. 

Either way, it's irrelevant, I'm here discussing football as a fan not a coach.

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2 hours ago, Slojo said:

And who's fault is that? Is it purely the board's fault? I'm sure we've been without a director of football for a while also.

Conte was constantly going on about lack of depth last season, but after we signed a lot of players he started saying something along the lines of we have too many players and it's easier to bring in 3 good players instead of transitioning 6/7 players. 

Conte never said anything about having too many players... I read those comments and they were clear.

He said rather than buy several average players he would rather buy 2-3 elite players and have a smaller squad.

And yes, it's purely the board's fault because all the fans and Conte were waiting for some big buys to happen to improve the quality of the squad and it never happened. The profile of the players that left were much larger than those that came in. 

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12 minutes ago, Saaladin said:

Yes because you know me and what I have done in football in Canada. 

Either way, it's irrelevant, I'm here discussing football as a fan not a coach.

Actually, you told someone earlier, in specific terms, to analyse as a manager, not as a fan.  Can't be arsed to go back and find the quote, but you know you did.

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11 minutes ago, Saaladin said:

I can do this all day long - I mean people need to at least check into the factual aspects of their arguments. Its very apparent that fans just want to scapegoat Conte because the board and Abramovich are untouchable. 

So again....

1. Batsman -- Conte gave him several starting opportunities and he NEVER played well. Always struggled in all his starts even against weaker competition. Even to the point where Conte was asked in press conferences why Bats has struggled when starting matches and why he only seems to have impact in games when coming on in the last few minutes as a substitute. Conte said he was still a developing player and needs to adapt to Chelsea's way of playing. Why would Conte continue to start a player who has not shown he can handle playing in our system? In Dortmund he is playing in a weaker league and in a different style of play. 

2. Emerson -- You're talking about a guy who didn't even play at his own club before joining Chelsea so I'm not even going to address this point. He may be a talented kid but was far from match fitness when he joined.

3. Most Chelsea fans are well aware that Ampadu was getting minutes and that Conte was excited about him and hid involvement in the first team - He then got injured and hasn't been back from injury since.

4. Drinkwater I agree has been underused. But we have had very important matches since he has returned to full fitness (he's had long injury absences twice this season) and Conte prefers Fabregas' passing to anything Drinkwater brings. He has been just OK since joining Chelsea so when trying to win CL matches and staying in the top 4 chase Conte has relied on the more creative Fabregas and better defensive player in Kante. Drinkwater doesn't really bring his own unique quality to the table so Conte has never been compelled to use him. When fit that is.

5. I would love to see more of CHO, however, Conte has Hazard and Willian ahead of him. And behind those two is Pedro who hasn't been getting many minutes himself. So what should Conte do? Play CHO over Pedro? 

Luiz has been injured all season. Yes there was an issue between him and Conte but he is legitimately injured and Conte has confirmed that in the past. Luiz was reported to have traveled to Spain to visit with specialists regarding his knee. 

This is getting comical now to be honest.

You say Conte had no options, and demand examples when people say you are wrong. 

People provide the options Conte could have used. 

You get your trusty book of excuses out as to why, even though Conte did in fact have options, he is absolved of all blame for not using them. It's like a game of 'excuse bingo' reading your posts. 

1. Batman- "several starting opportunities" . How many times did he complete 90 minutes for Conte in the Premier League? Yeah, thought so. Then the excuse book comes out again "weaker league" "different system". It's just guff. His time at Dortmund has clearly demonstrated that used in the correct way, when he is not being drained of all confidence, he can be an asset. It's really that simple. He was an option, but Conte chose to play a false 9 instead. 

2. Emerson. I agree he was never going to slot straight in and take a place in the starting 11, but he has been  for some time now, and has barely played a minute. It fatigue and a thin squad are the excuses that are getting Conte out of any blame then surely one would start integrating him?

3. Ampadu. Agree. Could have been used more though if the thin squad is the basis of our downfall. 

4. Drinkwater. Rusting away on the bench despite the thin squad causing all our problems. Odd. 

5. CHO. "what could Conte do" Almost sounds a bit like Conte has too many options there, careful! 

6. Luiz. Ah yes the mysterious season long injury that is keeping him out. And what about before that? Ah yes, that's right, Conte had another fall out and checked him on the scrap heap. Great work there. 

 

As for the board & Abramovich being "untouchable" ..... really? The board get slaughtered on here, and everywhere else, every time we part ways with a Manager. All you have to do is explore the archives on here to see that. 

Even now I think most would concede they could have done more in the summer. The board isn't perfect, I am certainly not trying to claim that, but the mess we find ourselves in is on Conte a lot more than the board in my opinion. 

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15 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Actually, you told someone earlier, in specific terms, to analyse as a manager, not as a fan.  Can't be arsed to go back and find the quote, but you know you did.

Yes I said that, and I meant to look at it from Conte's perspective. I'm not a manager so it wouldn't apply to me anyway.

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Very few managers get exactly what they wanted from the board, we could argue Jose, Klopp, Poch all had their complains about transfers, but at the end of the year they all had to deliver, and Conte didn't this season. Sure, not expecting winning the league or even runner up, but surely 4th spot should have been wrapped up by now. At the start of the year we are just behind United and looked to have the CL spot locked up, then Conte throw all the toys out and our season was gone in a few weeks. There's a chance he may lead us to the FA cup glory, but even if it happens, then what, all forgiven and happily ever after for another season? I'm not a fan of managers rumours, but I'm seriously disappointed we haven't been linked with anyone yet.

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2 hours ago, Saaladin said:

I can do this all day long - I mean people need to at least check into the factual aspects of their arguments.....

My post is not an argument. You asked for options where Conte could have rotated more. I gave you 5. 

Your excuses to defend Conte are genuinely bordering on comical. 

Have the board played a part in this mess of a season? Absolutely yes! it was a sh*tshow of a pre season , when, if some reports are to be believed Conte was already halfway out the door. Maybe that explains the lack of investment?  But yes, the board have cocked up.

Have the players done all they could to turn it around? No way! They appear to have been going through the motions for too long, and judging be performances and results, thought that they could turn up and turn over "lesser teams". The mentality of the players is very much part the problem.

Has Conte set out to deliberately underachieve? Of course not! But he has allowed himself to get distracted by politics, and has let this impact his selections to the detriment of the team.

You replied to me , in a rather juvenile manner, to check factual aspects.

1. You "argue" that Conte gave batsman a fair chance and bats simply wasn't good enough.  How many games did he start?how many of those were back to back? You want facts? The fact is the conte played batsman for a total of 353 mins in the premier league. Some chance that is.

2. Emerson wasn't fit , so how could he play you ask?  He was back from his injury  for Roma on their bench for their game on 5th November 2017 onwards,until we purchased him. Emerson was fit enough to be in contention for Roma, and he was seemingly fit enough to play for us against spurs,man city and hull.  But then not be fit enough at the same time you argue.....a bit nonsensical

3. Congratulations btw for being the latest mouthpiece for "most Chelsea fans". Well done on that. Most Chelsea fans are well aware that young Ethan was getting minutes. And you say that conte was excited by him (oh er) and his involvement. For all that excitement, Ethan's fantastic carabao cup performances earned him a total of 10 premier league minutes.... God help him if Conte wasn't excited!

4. You asked for options on where Conte has not rotated well enough. You agree that drinky should have been used more. Then make excuses for Conte due to some blind man love.

5. What should Conte do you ask? How about grow a pair and try something fresh as a starter for 10?  Of course, hazard , willian and pedro are ahead of CHO. But if hazard, William and Pedro are misfiring and playing like sh*t, then how about taking one out the team, putting your arm around your hotshot young talent and telling him to go an make a name for himself...rather than picking the same sh*tshow over and over.

6. You claim luiz has been injured all season. And know this to be true because Conte confirmed it. The same person who had an issue with him.  Conte has form for alienating players and dealing with things in a less than diplomatic way....so I am sceptical of how bad this injury really is.

Won't be replying to you again, as you seem a bit blind. I like Conte, but he has f**ked up this season. 

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37 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

My post is not an argument. You asked for options where Conte could have rotated more. I gave you 5. 

Your excuses to defend Conte are genuinely bordering on comical. 

Have the board played a part in this mess of a season? Absolutely yes! it was a sh*tshow of a pre season , when, if some reports are to be believed Conte was already halfway out the door. Maybe that explains the lack of investment?  But yes, the board have cocked up.

Have the players done all they could to turn it around? No way! They appear to have been going through the motions for too long, and judging be performances and results, thought that they could turn up and turn over "lesser teams". The mentality of the players is very much part the problem.

Has Conte set out to deliberately underachieve? Of course not! But he has allowed himself to get distracted by politics, and has let this impact his selections to the detriment of the team.

You replied to me , in a rather juvenile manner, to check factual aspects.

1. You "argue" that Conte gave batsman a fair chance and bats simply wasn't good enough.  How many games did he start?how many of those were back to back? You want facts? The fact is the conte played batsman for a total of 353 mins in the premier league. Some chance that is.

2. Emerson wasn't fit , so how could he play you ask?  He was back from his injury  for Roma on their bench for their game on 5th November 2017 onwards,until we purchased him. Emerson was fit enough to be in contention for Roma, and he was seemingly fit enough to play for us against spurs,man city and hull.  But then not be fit enough at the same time you argue.....a bit nonsensical

3. Congratulations btw for being the latest mouthpiece for "most Chelsea fans". Well done on that. Most Chelsea fans are well aware that young Ethan was getting minutes. And you say that conte was excited by him (oh er) and his involvement. For all that excitement, Ethan's fantastic carabao cup performances earned him a total of 10 premier league minutes.... God help him if Conte wasn't excited!

4. You asked for options on where Conte has not rotated well enough. You agree that drinky should have been used more. Then make excuses for Conte due to some blind man love.

5. What should Conte do you ask? How about grow a pair and try something fresh as a starter for 10?  Of course, hazard , willian and pedro are ahead of CHO. But if hazard, William and Pedro are misfiring and playing like sh*t, then how about taking one out the team, putting your arm around your hotshot young talent and telling him to go an make a name for himself...rather than picking the same sh*tshow over and over.

6. You claim luiz has been injured all season. And know this to be true because Conte confirmed it. The same person who had an issue with him.  Conte has form for alienating players and dealing with things in a less than diplomatic way....so I am sceptical of how bad this injury really is.

Won't be replying to you again, as you seem a bit blind. I like Conte, but he has f**ked up this season. 

I wouldnt believe what Conte says about injuries:

"When asked if he would be available for Monday night’s clash with West Brom, Conte replied: “No.

“Players like Morata we are missing for a long period.

"I don’t know, one day, one month or the rest of the season, he is trying to stop this pain in his back.

“I don’t know and for this reason I am a bit worried as you know very well the importance of this player."

Then Morata is on the bench against West Brom, might aswell have said he is back for the game.

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3 minutes ago, mclovin83 said:

This is getting comical now to be honest.

You say Conte had no options, and demand examples when people say you are wrong. 

People provide the options Conte could have used. 

You get your trusty book of excuses out as to why, even though Conte did in fact have options, he is absolved of all blame for not using them. It's like a game of 'excuse bingo' reading your posts. 

1. Batman- "several starting opportunities" . How many times did he complete 90 minutes for Conte in the Premier League? Yeah, thought so. Then the excuse book comes out again "weaker league" "different system". It's just guff. His time at Dortmund has clearly demonstrated that used in the correct way, when he is not being drained of all confidence, he can be an asset. It's really that simple. He was an option, but Conte chose to play a false 9 instead. 

2. Emerson. I agree he was never going to slot straight in and take a place in the starting 11, but he has been  for some time now, and has barely played a minute. It fatigue and a thin squad are the excuses that are getting Conte out of any blame then surely one would start integrating him?

3. Ampadu. Agree. Could have been used more though if the thin squad is the basis of our downfall. 

4. Drinkwater. Rusting away on the bench despite the thin squad causing all our problems. Odd. 

5. CHO. "what could Conte do" Almost sounds a bit like Conte has too many options there, careful! 

6. Luiz. Ah yes the mysterious season long injury that is keeping him out. And what about before that? Ah yes, that's right, Conte had another fall out and checked him on the scrap heap. Great work there. 

 

As for the board & Abramovich being "untouchable" ..... really? The board get slaughtered on here, and everywhere else, every time we part ways with a Manager. All you have to do is explore the archives on here to see that. 

Even now I think most would concede they could have done more in the summer. The board isn't perfect, I am certainly not trying to claim that, but the mess we find ourselves in is on Conte a lot more than the board in my opinion. 

We're obviously not going to agree which is fine, this is a forum for discussion and inevitably disagreement. 

You clearly feel like those players you are mentioning are Chelsea caliber players who could have helped us win the CL and claim a second successive league title and I simply don't agree especially in a season with 4 competitions.

 

Man City 

GKs - Ederson - Claudio Bravo (starting GK for Barca last season) 

CBs - Otamendi - Kompany - Stones - Laporte

FBs - Mendy - Danilo - Walker

CM - Gundogan - KDB - Delph - David Silva - Bernardo Silva - Fernandinho - Yaya Toure

Forwards - Sterling - Gabriel Jesus - Leroy Sane - Sergio Aguero

 

Man United

GKs - De Gea - Romero (Argentina Starting GK)

CBs - Lindelof - Bailly - Jones - Smalling

FBs - Rojo - Shaw - Valencia - Darmian - Blind

CMs - Pogba - Herrera - Matic - Carrick - Mata - Fellaini - McTominay

Forwards - Lukaku - Lingard - Sanchez - Rashford - Martial - Young

 

Liverpool

GKs - Karius - Mignolet

CBs - Van Dijk - Lovren - Matip - Klavan

FBs - Clyne - Robertson - Alexander Arnold - Moreno

CM - Milner - Henderson - Can - Chamberlain - Lallana - Wijnaldum

Forwards - Salah - Firmino - Mane - Ings 

 

Tottenham

GKs - Hugo Loris - Michel Vorm

CBs - Alderweireld - Sanchez - Vertonghen - 

FBs - Rose - Trippier - Aurier - Davies

CMs - Dembele - Eriksen - Wanyama - Dier - Sissoko - Winks

Forwards - Kane - Alli - Moura - Lamela - Son

 

Chelsea

GKs - Courtois - Caballero 

CBs - Christensen - Cahill - Rudiger - Luiz - Ampadu

FBs - Alonso - Moses - Azpi - Zappa - Emerson

CMs - Fabregas - Kante - Bakayoko - Drinkwater

Forwards - Hazard - Willian - Morata - Batshuayi - Giroud - Pedro

 

Please rank the squads - In your honest opinions which teams would you have finishing 1st - 5th?

 

For me it is:

  1. City - Star power in starting 11 better than Chelsea - Quality on the bench is far and away above Chelsea. Only starter from Chelsea would be Hazard and Azpi.
  2. Tottenham - Greater start power. Defense and midfield lines are stronger in both quality and experience for Tottenaham. Kante, Hazard, Azpi and maybe Willian would be in their 11. Alonso would compete with Rose.
  3. United - Greater star power. Their defense is experienced and strong - Again Azpi starts. Kante would displace Herrera. Hazard in front three with Lukaku and Sanchez. Alonso also for anything they have.
  4. Liverpool - Greater start power. Kante and Azpi again, maybe Christensen over Lovren but not always. Mane - Firmino - Salah untouchable. Hazard would be depth. Alonso would compete with Robertson.
  5. Chelsea - Players that would be replaced in starting 11 by every team in top 4: Rudiger, Christensen, Cahill, Fabregas, Morata, Moses. 

So in summary and in my opnion - Chelsea have 5 players in their typical starting 11 that wouldn't start in any of the top 4 teams. And that is our spine plus Moses. Willian wouldn't start for Liverpool or City and would be in a weekly battle at Tottenham and United. He walks into Chelsea starting 11 however without a doubt.

 

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32 minutes ago, Saaladin said:

 

You clearly feel like those players you are mentioning are Chelsea caliber players who could have helped us win the CL and claim a second successive league title and I simply don't agree especially in a season with 4 competitions.

 

Thanks for telling me what I feel. At what point have I ever intimated that those players are world class or would help us win any of those things you are talking about. 

That wasnt the discussion or the point.

You asked for options on how Conte could have rotated more effectively. I gave you 5 options.  

Quite how that how you equate my view that Conte could have used his resources better, to me "feeling " that those 5 players would win us the league or champions league is beyond me. Seems like you believe what you want to, and resort to making stuff up.

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1 hour ago, Saaladin said:

We're obviously not going to agree which is fine, this is a forum for discussion and inevitably disagreement. 

You clearly feel like those players you are mentioning are Chelsea caliber players who could have helped us win the CL and claim a second successive league title and I simply don't agree especially in a season with 4 competitions.

 

Man City 

GKs - Ederson - Claudio Bravo (starting GK for Barca last season) 

CBs - Otamendi - Kompany - Stones - Laporte

FBs - Mendy - Danilo - Walker

CM - Gundogan - KDB - Delph - David Silva - Bernardo Silva - Fernandinho - Yaya Toure

Forwards - Sterling - Gabriel Jesus - Leroy Sane - Sergio Aguero

 

Man United

GKs - De Gea - Romero (Argentina Starting GK)

CBs - Lindelof - Bailly - Jones - Smalling

FBs - Rojo - Shaw - Valencia - Darmian - Blind

CMs - Pogba - Herrera - Matic - Carrick - Mata - Fellaini - McTominay

Forwards - Lukaku - Lingard - Sanchez - Rashford - Martial - Young

 

Liverpool

GKs - Karius - Mignolet

CBs - Van Dijk - Lovren - Matip - Klavan

FBs - Clyne - Robertson - Alexander Arnold - Moreno

CM - Milner - Henderson - Can - Chamberlain - Lallana - Wijnaldum

Forwards - Salah - Firmino - Mane - Ings 

 

Tottenham

GKs - Hugo Loris - Michel Vorm

CBs - Alderweireld - Sanchez - Vertonghen - 

FBs - Rose - Trippier - Aurier - Davies

CMs - Dembele - Eriksen - Wanyama - Dier - Sissoko - Winks

Forwards - Kane - Alli - Moura - Lamela - Son

 

Chelsea

GKs - Courtois - Caballero 

CBs - Christensen - Cahill - Rudiger - Luiz - Ampadu

FBs - Alonso - Moses - Azpi - Zappa - Emerson

CMs - Fabregas - Kante - Bakayoko - Drinkwater

Forwards - Hazard - Willian - Morata - Batshuayi - Giroud - Pedro

 

Please rank the squads - In your honest opinions which teams would you have finishing 1st - 5th?

 

For me it is:

  1. City - Star power in starting 11 better than Chelsea - Quality on the bench is far and away above Chelsea. Only starter from Chelsea would be Hazard and Azpi.
  2. Tottenham - Greater start power. Defense and midfield lines are stronger in both quality and experience for Tottenaham. Kante, Hazard, Azpi and maybe Willian would be in their 11. Alonso would compete with Rose.
  3. United - Greater star power. Their defense is experienced and strong - Again Azpi starts. Kante would displace Herrera. Hazard in front three with Lukaku and Sanchez. Alonso also for anything they have.
  4. Liverpool - Greater start power. Kante and Azpi again, maybe Christensen over Lovren but not always. Mane - Firmino - Salah untouchable. Hazard would be depth. Alonso would compete with Robertson.
  5. Chelsea - Players that would be replaced in starting 11 by every team in top 4: Rudiger, Christensen, Cahill, Fabregas, Morata, Moses. 

So in summary and in my opnion - Chelsea have 5 players in their typical starting 11 that wouldn't start in any of the top 4 teams. And that is our spine plus Moses. Willian wouldn't start for Liverpool or City and would be in a weekly battle at Tottenham and United. He walks into Chelsea starting 11 however without a doubt.

 

I have 4,6, 6, 5 for City, Utd, Liverpool, Spurs respectively.

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42 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Thanks for telling me what I feel. At what point have I ever intimated that those players are world class or would help us win any of those things you are talking about. 

That wasnt the discussion or the point.

You asked for options on how Conte could have rotated more effectively. I gave you 5 options.  

Quite how that how you equate my view that Conte could have used his resources better, to me "feeling " that those 5 players would win us the league or champions league is beyond me. Seems like you believe what you want to, and resort to making stuff up.

It's an assumption based on the fact that Chelsea fans and the board have an expectation that Chelsea win things.

If you don't feel that this squad could win the league or CL then what is it you expect of the Chelsea squad?

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37 minutes ago, Zola said:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43814287

He's in good form today

 

So you have an issue that he tells the truth?

City doesn't have the ability to repeat? To win CL? They are not a club with ambition willing to invest?

The Chelsea match vs Burnley is actually easy and it will be simple to catch Tottenham?

Not sure what you have issue with.

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9 hours ago, Nibs said:

Fabregas for me we have kept him a season past his expiry date. Sure he can still play the killer pass but he has become more of a luxury and his weaknesses now outweigh his positives. I just don't rate Drinkwater - he's another unremarkable player who won't bring fear to the likes of Spurs , Liverpool, City when they see his name on the team-sheet.

 

True. But atleast they wont be laughing their asses off like they normally do when they see cesc on the pitch. The unremarkable DD-Kante partnership looked quite good against united, but have they played a game together after that?

As for people saying that DD is often injured, if you believe conte, Luiz has had an "injury" since october. 

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It's been a tough season but we have nothing to prove as last year's champions. It's really better for the game as a whole if the prizes go around. My only two disappointments are the CL early exit and not enough young/new players coming through. We will only be 5 points behind Spurs if we win against Burnley and they were touted as the next big thing.

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26 minutes ago, EmeraldBlue said:

It's been a tough season but we have nothing to prove as last year's champions. It's really better for the game as a whole if the prizes go around. My only two disappointments are the CL early exit and not enough young/new players coming through. We will only be 5 points behind Spurs if we win against Burnley and they were touted as the next big thing.

And this mentality is actually one I can get behind. 

Fine, Chelsea is a team that needs a re-tool. Not ready to compete for any titles this season and at the end of the day we finish probably 5th with an outside chance at 4th. 

For this squad it's a fair season. Which is why I don't blame Conte. 

In his mind, Chelsea were supposed to challenge for top trophies and the club was supposed to back him to do that. They didn't and to make it worse he gets questioned in the media constantly about his job security when the team falters. And if we're being realistic the Chelsea board + Abramovich have no patience for a down year and everyone knows it. If they did, they could have bit the bullet and come out to back their manager and let the fans know that they will re-build the team next summer. Case closed.

However they didn't want to admit their their transfer dealings were downright stupid and preferred to leave Conte out in front of the firing squad to answer questions about things he can't control.

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1 hour ago, Saaladin said:

It's an assumption based on the fact that Chelsea fans and the board have an expectation that Chelsea win things.

If you don't feel that this squad could win the league or CL then what is it you expect of the Chelsea squad?

An assumption....never assume it makes....etc etc as per  the age old adage.

As a minimum I expect:

1) A board that has the long term interests of the club at heart. I don't want short term success alla 1990s era Leeds utd, at the cost of long term planning.

2) players who give their all for the shirt.

3) a manager who loves the club,and whose every action is with the best interest of the club at heart. 

4) a manager who has the foresight to a) anticipate stagnation and mitigate against it, and b) react to unexpected results/form/injuries. Much like Antonio did with such passion and craft last season

5) a manager who picks on merit, not on price or name. A manager who is not afraid to change it up, drop the establishment and give another option a chance to prosper.

6) fans who recognise good traits in players and reward effort with unwavering passion and support. But also who are not blinkered (such as Liverpool and spurs supporters) and who can acknowledge our own limitations. Most of all, fans who support Chelsea for being the best f**king club in the world. Not because we are the latest flavour of the month.

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On 17/04/2018 at 13:10, Saaladin said:

The EPL is the top league in the world for a reason. You can lose to anyone on any day. Particularly when your board didn't back you and handed you a small squad with little depth. 

 

Man U lost to WBA...

Bad preparation, bad man management, wrong team selection, bad in game management, bad tactics and failure to influence game, is why you lose to Burnley, Palace, Bournemouth, Watford, West Ham etc, lose one of those games yes, but losing more tells me you don't ever learn or just to stubborn.

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11 hours ago, Saaladin said:

Conte never said anything about having too many players... I read those comments and they were clear.

He said rather than buy several average players he would rather buy 2-3 elite players and have a smaller squad.

And yes, it's purely the board's fault because all the fans and Conte were waiting for some big buys to happen to improve the quality of the squad and it never happened. The profile of the players that left were much larger than those that came in. 

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That's literally the point I was making...

He complained last season about lack of depth, then he went on to talk about the traits of having a smaller squad this season. 

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14 hours ago, Saaladin said:

So you have an issue that he tells the truth?

City doesn't have the ability to repeat? To win CL? They are not a club with ambition willing to invest?

The Chelsea match vs Burnley is actually easy and it will be simple to catch Tottenham?

Not sure what you have issue with.

Where did I say I had an issue with him? I said the opposite actually! 

He was smiling and having a bit of fun

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