Posted March 25, 20169 yr https://audioboom.com/boos/4349124-row-over-martin-o-neill-s-ugly-women-comments haha
March 25, 20169 yr The title of this thread is more offensive! It has a slight unpleasantness about it.
March 25, 20169 yr Author Oooooh come on now. Listen to the audio, its hilarious, the London woman needs to get a life, or laid. Edited March 25, 20169 yr by Zola
March 25, 20169 yr Ah it's only a laugh, he's not a pretty man himself and i'm sure he knows it. Hardly misogynistic though, it's just a dry sense of humour Edited March 25, 20169 yr by RMCM
March 25, 20169 yr The whole segment is actually hilarious by the way everyone should listen to it, i've been sitting at my desk in work holding back a grinÂ
March 25, 20169 yr Don't think it was funny personally, but it was just a joke. I think if a woman at the World Cup had said a similar thing about players boyfriends, I don't think these feminists would bat an eyelid.
March 25, 20169 yr In my opinion anyone who takes offence to what he says really needs to look in the mirror... well, unless they're uglies of course. There are a lot of misogynistic men out there but O'Neill isn't even close to being one of them, perspective please.
March 25, 20169 yr Are any you ladies actually annoyed about what he said?I'm not actually annoyed by O'Neill unfunny moment, however, how people respond to someone who does take offense is typical of a lack of effort to imagine why she took offense. Through the ages and even today, women have struggled to be taken seriously. For instance, if they wanted to continue studying, they had to fight for it. In professions that were usually exclusively male, they have had to endure the condescending and lame jokes, like O'Neill's. Actually, in a lot of workplaces where women are a minority, those jokes are still prevalent. Some women are the target of that kind of joke just walking in the street. And when women object, they are told they are overreacting, to get a sense of humour, to get a life, and that they need to get laid. The jokes and the jokers are not malicious, but they show a lack of appropriateness, and the lingering opinion that it's alright to make "just a joke". After all, men wouldn't take offense if the tables were turned, right? No, not straight white males, no. Replace women for non-whites, or gays, or jews. They get the same "don't be a spoilsport, I don't mean any harm" jokes. To illustrate: institutions like the police complain they fail in recruiting blacks, or Asians, or gays. Wasn't there a recent report in the UK about institutional racism? I wouldn't be surprised if some minority groups are the butt of "just jokes" in the police, or the army. And equally I wouldn't be surprised if someone complained, he or she is told to lighten up, and by the bosses too. Nobody bothers to wonder why the target is upset or insulted. It means their experiences are not taken seriously. It's condescending. You would have to have a very thick skin to want to work there. Same for women: a female friend of mine is a surgeon, and in 2016 she also needs a thick skin to deflect all the jokes from her male colleagues about women. And as long as those jokes are viewed as acceptable, or not worth getting worked up about, there is no equality. I'm not preaching political correctness, where everybody tiptoes around language and humour. But a little more awareness of historical struggles and of how people still suffer from discrimination wouldn't go amiss. Edited March 25, 20169 yr by Valerie
March 26, 20169 yr Author You make some good points Valerie. Overall, the way I see it is its just a silly answer to a silly question and nothing more.
March 26, 20169 yr You make some good points Valerie. Overall, the way I see it is its just a silly answer to a silly question and nothing more. It's both that AND part of the bigger picture.
March 26, 20169 yr Are any you ladies actually annoyed about what he said? In isolation it's not a big deal, but Martin O'Neill has repeatedly shown himself to be to a massive prick, so he doesn't get (or deserve) benefit of the doubt.
March 26, 20169 yr Author In isolation it's not a big deal, but Martin O'Neill has repeatedly shown himself to be to a massive prick, so he doesn't get (or deserve) benefit of the doubt.More examples please, you seem to have a bunch at the ready. Let's hear them!
March 26, 20169 yr More examples please, you seem to have a bunch at the ready. Let's hear them! You're right, he's not as bad as I thought. The two main incidents I was thinking of were punching a guy at a hotel so asked him to autograph his book and getting out of his car at a traffic light to scream at and flip off a taxi driver. Both of those were Roy Keane. I mistakenly associated it with Martin O'Neill because they happened recently, so O'Neill was asked about them in relation to Keane being his assistant. O'Neill did say some prickish stuff about how he gets a perverse enjoyment (his words) from dropping a player be dislikes on a personal level and publicly saying that he dropped a player (Hoolahan?) because he can only handle playing in front of a home crowd not an away crowd. I'm married to someone from Ireland by the way.
March 29, 20169 yr I'm not actually annoyed by O'Neill unfunny moment, however, how people respond to someone who does take offense is typical of a lack of effort to imagine why she took offense. Through the ages and even today, women have struggled to be taken seriously. For instance, if they wanted to continue studying, they had to fight for it. In professions that were usually exclusively male, they have had to endure the condescending and lame jokes, like O'Neill's. Actually, in a lot of workplaces where women are a minority, those jokes are still prevalent. Some women are the target of that kind of joke just walking in the street. And when women object, they are told they are overreacting, to get a sense of humour, to get a life, and that they need to get laid. The jokes and the jokers are not malicious, but they show a lack of appropriateness, and the lingering opinion that it's alright to make "just a joke". After all, men wouldn't take offense if the tables were turned, right? No, not straight white males, no. Replace women for non-whites, or gays, or jews. They get the same "don't be a spoilsport, I don't mean any harm" jokes. To illustrate: institutions like the police complain they fail in recruiting blacks, or Asians, or gays. Wasn't there a recent report in the UK about institutional racism? I wouldn't be surprised if some minority groups are the butt of "just jokes" in the police, or the army. And equally I wouldn't be surprised if someone complained, he or she is told to lighten up, and by the bosses too. Nobody bothers to wonder why the target is upset or insulted. It means their experiences are not taken seriously. It's condescending. You would have to have a very thick skin to want to work there. Same for women: a female friend of mine is a surgeon, and in 2016 she also needs a thick skin to deflect all the jokes from her male colleagues about women. And as long as those jokes are viewed as acceptable, or not worth getting worked up about, there is no equality. I'm not preaching political correctness, where everybody tiptoes around language and humour. But a little more awareness of historical struggles and of how people still suffer from discrimination wouldn't go amiss. Well said deary
March 29, 20169 yr At the risk of inciting Val's wrath, I have always found this joke funny. (I was told it by a devout feminist!) Â What's the difference between a feminist and a Sumo wrestler? Â Â Â A Sumo wrestler shaves his legs!
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