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1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

This doesn't mean he's the most efficient penalty taker, it just means he doesn't score any goals from open play???

If anything this is a negative haha.

Almost no goals from open play. But still a good penalty taker despite some misses - the specialist for that.

At least I made you happy, you found a way to think about our player in a negative way. Keep it up!

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3 hours ago, jack_super_class said:

Helps that we have played three teams who have parked the bus, and he has three centre backs behind him.

This is exactly it, more so Jorginho is thriving in this current system as we have three centre backs so if players run past him we are covered. Very happy with his performances recently, but we also know his limitations, and against attacking teams I hope we dont see him overrun like we have many a time. Maybe Tuchel knows this and will put a kante in for the bigger matches. 

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He did well in comparison to his previous performances but honestly Kante could do better when on form, Matic in 16/17 was better even though he was pretty much finished as a top player.

I feel like Jorginho has the brains to do the role well but just not the physicality, imagine if he had the agility of Kovacic, he would be immense.

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2 hours ago, Gol15 said:

You sound bitter don't you? :Troll_Face: Don't tell me you're also a wolves fan? :laugh2:

I get it, we didn't dominate one of our most hated rivals for 90 minutes - it was only 78 minutes. The whole Chelsea squad apologizes for that to all you spoiled brats out there!

Nope just stating facts. You make it seem like we have kept 3 clean sheets in a row because of Jorginho. Spurs sat back and allowed us the ball, might be a reason why we dominated possession. We did same thing under Lampard VS Spurs in the cup earlier in the season.

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I get the criticism that we have faced teams who have sat off and not pressed, but at the same time, this is what we will face for the vast majority of games, especially with Tuchel in charge. He wants us to dominate possession, and some teams will be forced into sitting deep, as a result of our ability to keep the ball and win it back quickly. So i am happy for him to continue playing in this system, as he doesnt have move wide to cover full backs, because that is a major weakness in his game. 

Looking at the fixtures coming up, and i expect we will be coming up against more teams that will be sit deep and counter, and he wont be getting major pressure, even the 2 big games we have left this month United and Atletico, are both sides that dont really specialize in pressing high. 

He played some good games last year in front of a 3 man defence, so maybe this is how to get the best out of him. 

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1 minute ago, jack_super_class said:

Nope just stating facts. You make it seem like we have kept 3 clean sheets in a row because of Jorginho. Spurs sat back and allowed us the ball, might be a reason why we dominated possession. We did same thing under Lampard VS Spurs in the cup earlier in the season.

I am also just stating facts, looks like it bothers you doesn't it? We won the game, why would I as a Chelsea fan give a f**k about what our opposition does?

You seem to just bring excuses here, with Jorginho starting we haven't lost a game since late September, in fact we have only 1 loss in the league with Jorginho in the starting lineup.

I heard the same excuses when we beat Palace 4:0 "Jorginho only did well because Palace didn't take the ball from him 20 times blabla"... Well no sh*t Sherlock it seems that we have a system with him - something that we didn't have with Kante at the base of the midfield.

Did you wish that we have lost against Spurs so that you can say for the 10th time how "Jorginho doesn't fit for the PL" ?

It's almost a crime that we dominate games now, it's not my problem that you're stuck in this same mindset for years, at least I can give credit where it's due.

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Just now, Gol15 said:

I am also just stating facts, looks like it bothers you doesn't it? We won the game, why would I as a Chelsea fan give a f**k about what our opposition does?

You seem to just bring excuses here, with Jorginho starting we haven't lost a game since late September, in fact we have only 1 loss in the league with Jorginho in the starting lineup.

I heard the same excuses when we beat Palace 4:0 "Jorginho only did well because Palace didn't take the ball from him 20 times blabla"... Well no sh*t Sherlock it seems that we have a system with him - something that we didn't have with Kante at the base of the midfield.

Did you wish that we have lost against Spurs so that you can say for the 10th time how "Jorginho doesn't fit for the PL" ?

It's almost a crime that we dominate games now, it's not my problem that you're stuck in this same mindset for years, at least I can give credit where it's due.

Unlike you to get upset and aggressive about Jorginho. Ive praised Jorginho on here ive also criticised him, i rate Jorginho just dont think he's suited to the PL because his lack of physicality. You are stating facts but you always make it about Jorginho. We have also dominated games with Kante at the base, if we win every game until the end of the season id still stand by my point that Jorginho isn't suited to the Premier league.

Last nights game was easy for Jorginho, he played well but it wasn't a hard game to look good in. Massive ass pitch, not being pressed, loads of options to pass too, especially sideways and backwards. He didn't do anything like night that Kante wouldn't of done but Kante gives us even more than Jorginho.

Anyone who doesnt rate or prefers Kante wants Chelsea to lose and is a Wolves supporter, i mean just stop.

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Just now, jack_super_class said:

Unlike you to get upset and aggressive about Jorginho. Ive praised Jorginho on here ive also criticised him, i rate Jorginho just dont think he's suited to the PL because his lack of physicality. You are stating facts but you always make it about Jorginho. We have also dominated games with Kante at the base, if we win every game until the end of the season id still stand by my point that Jorginho isn't suited to the Premier league.

Last nights game was easy for Jorginho, he played well but it wasn't a hard game to look good in. Massive ass pitch, not being pressed, loads of options to pass too, especially sideways and backwards. He didn't do anything like night that Kante wouldn't of done but Kante gives us even more than Jorginho.

Anyone who doesnt rate or prefers Kante wants Chelsea to lose and is a Wolves supporter, i mean just stop.

Yea right... You don't do this to any other player, only Jorginho doesn't fit for the PL despite all the evidence showing that he has done fine for 3 seasons now. I don't buy your narrative at all. This constant one sided agenda against Jorginho no matter what... Even when he does well - it's cause the opposition let him. Sure.

If he was half as bad as people have been saying in this thread alone - he wouldn't have lasted half a season in our squad, not even half a season. But but he has limitations - so does every other player, does that mean that we should constantly complain about all of them?

Kante at the base of the midfield is probably one of the reasons why Lampard lost his job, did Kante have a good game yesterday according to you? Even Lampard used Jorginho in his first season - Tuchel automatically used him as soon as he came here as well, with Sarri he played in all but 1 game in his first season and we finished top 3.

But sure, Jorginho isn't suited for the PL, let's just disregard Sarri, Lampard or even Pep that was interested in signing him. Tuchel is an idiot for playing him right?

You're simply not even close to have a balanced opinion, imagine if you have been doing that to every player after every game...You don't even realize that you're only allowed to do this constantly because on this forum it's accepted to sh*t on Jorginho in particular. Try to transfer this attitude to Mount for a whole season and let's see how many would like your posts.

I don't care if you don't rate Jorginho, he's a Chelsea player and he has done well, at least when he scores and we win an important game you should have the decency to not criticize and undermine him as soon as possible. If I hadn't posted anything about Jorginho at all, this thread would be 99% negative comments about him, I don't think that should be the normality.

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2 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Almost no goals from open play. But still a good penalty taker despite some misses - the specialist for that.

At least I made you happy, you found a way to think about our player in a negative way. Keep it up!

3/7 penalties missed this year. Since when does a 42% conversion rate from the spot make you a specialist?


Ive praised Jorginho for his performances under Tuchel. I’m also very aware of his deficiencies and don’t need to suck him off for every little thing like you do. I think you might be a Jorginho fan and not a Chelsea fan, Gol. Will your support follow Jorginho to whatever club we sell him to next?

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3 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

3/7 penalties missed this year. Since when does a 42% conversion rate from the spot make you a specialist?


Ive praised Jorginho for his performances under Tuchel. I’m also very aware of his deficiencies and don’t need to suck him off for every little thing like you do. I think you might be a Jorginho fan and not a Chelsea fan, Gol. Will your support follow Jorginho to whatever club we sell him to next?

You focus on that, I saw what I saw and I posted it, it's not me inventing that he has been a good penalty taker in the PL so you should write to those guys and complain about it, I don't know what else to tell you.

I'm not a Chelsea fan anymore because I think it's silly to keep criticizing a player that has been nothing but a good servant for the club? You're just being ridiculous, if you honestly think that supporting our players is too much then I don't know what to tell you... I have said many times this season for Lampard that I hope that he buys Rice and sells Jorginho if that's going to help him...

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6 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

1)Yea right... You don't do this to any other player, only Jorginho doesn't fit for the PL despite all the evidence showing that he has done fine for 3 seasons now. I don't buy your narrative at all. This constant one sided agenda against Jorginho no matter what... Even when he does well - it's cause the opposition let him. Sure.

2)If he was half as bad as people have been saying in this thread alone - he wouldn't have lasted half a season in our squad, not even half a season. But but he has limitations - so does every other player, does that mean that we should constantly complain about all of them?

3)Kante at the base of the midfield is probably one of the reasons why Lampard lost his job, did Kante have a good game yesterday according to you? Even Lampard used Jorginho in his first season - Tuchel automatically used him as soon as he came here as well, with Sarri he played in all but 1 game in his first season and we finished top 3.

4)But sure, Jorginho isn't suited for the PL, let's just disregard Sarri, Lampard or even Pep that was interested in signing him. Tuchel is an idiot for playing him right?

5You're simply not even close to have a balanced opinion, imagine if you have been doing that to every player after every game...You don't even realize that you're only allowed to do this constantly because on this forum it's accepted to sh*t on Jorginho in particular. Try to transfer this attitude to Mount for a whole season and let's see how many would like your posts.

I don't care if you don't rate Jorginho, he's a Chelsea player and he has done well, at least when he scores and we win an important game you should have the decency to not criticize and undermine him as soon as possible. If I hadn't posted anything about Jorginho at all, this thread would be 99% negative comments about him, I don't think that should be the normality.

1) Yes i do it every player, Kovacic is one of my favourite players at Chelsea and i recently posted in that thread how he's been rubbish this season. Yeah thats because Jorginho has alot of bad games also, he gets exposed for his lack of pace and strength time and time again.

2) Well Lampard wasn't that keen, If Lampard was still at Chelsea hed still be on the bench. He could of gone if we got a good offer for him in January but nobody wanted him. Tuchel is giving him a chance great, football is just a game of opinions. Great Tuchel has his own opinions thats football, he also brought Alonso back when most fans think he's rubbish.

3)We finished top 3 because of Hazard, Lampard used him and then as the season played on started realising how limited he is and started using other players instead of him. Never said Kante played well yesterday.

4)Pep also bought Claudio Bravo and Nolito, he also bought Benjamin Mendy who cant defend, Pep also makes mistakes and bad signings. Jorginho could of been one of them. Sarri also said Alonso could be one of the best left backs in the world LOL nobody agreed with him though and look who was right?.

5) Lol this is a funny post. You never criticise Jorginho ever even when he plays poorly. When Kovacic was laughed about by most on this forum in his debut season, i was one of the few praising him and wanted us to buy him. You love to make stuff up dont you?.

Well you obviously do care because you seem to get upset and aggressive about it and reply to anyone who dare criticise him. You have one rule for Jorginho and one rule for everyone else.

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27 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

1) Yes i do it every player, Kovacic is one of my favourite players at Chelsea and i recently posted in that thread how he's been rubbish this season. Yeah thats because Jorginho has alot of bad games also, he gets exposed for his lack of pace and strength time and time again.

2) Well Lampard wasn't that keen, If Lampard was still at Chelsea hed still be on the bench. He could of gone if we got a good offer for him in January but nobody wanted him. Tuchel is giving him a chance great, football is just a game of opinions. Great Tuchel has his own opinions thats football, he also brought Alonso back when most fans think he's rubbish.

3)We finished top 3 because of Hazard, Lampard used him and then as the season played on started realising how limited he is and started using other players instead of him. Never said Kante played well yesterday.

4)Pep also bought Claudio Bravo and Nolito, he also bought Benjamin Mendy who cant defend, Pep also makes mistakes and bad signings. Jorginho could of been one of them. Sarri also said Alonso could be one of the best left backs in the world LOL nobody agreed with him though and look who was right?.

5) Lol this is a funny post. You never criticise Jorginho ever even when he plays poorly. When Kovacic was laughed about by most on this forum in his debut season, i was one of the few praising him and wanted us to buy him. You love to make stuff up dont you?.

Well you obviously do care because you seem to get upset and aggressive about it and reply to anyone who dare criticise him. You have one rule for Jorginho and one rule for everyone else.

1. So is your favorite player also not fit for the PL or is it how I said about you - only Jorginho isn't fit for this league for you, everyone else gets a pass?

2. So the fact that Sarri, Lampard and Tuchel used Jorginho is just a difference from your opinion and theirs?

3. Only because of Hazard? Not because Sarri totally changed the way we play and implemented his system in which Jorginho played a major role as well? Only 1 player is to be given credit and that's it? You're exactly how I described you, very far from having a balanced view.

4. So even Pep can make a mistake about a player but not you? You somehow want to believe that Jorginho would have been a flop for Pep even though for us he hasn't been a flop? I can just as easily point to all the signings that worked out well for Pep and then what do you have?

5. Does it even matter then, you can simply choose to praise whoever you want - well so can I. At least I don't wait till every game is over to trashtalk a particular player.

I have defended a lot of our players, I have defended Lampard as well, I have defended even Lampard when he benched Jorginho last season and fought against Slojo and Argo about it because we were winning games. If I were to criticize Jorginho it wouldn't change my opinion that he has proven himself in the PL already after his first season, that's a whole different stand point from you that will always be against him for whatever reason - if we win the game he's a problem, if we lose he's clearly the only reason why we lost. I'm sure that no matter what Jorginho does he's never ever going to please you so it really doesn't matter, everyone is a factor to everything positive except 1 player according to you - We haven't had a need for this 1 player for 3 seasons yet he somehow keeps getting to show himself on your screen and you just can't understand it...

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1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

3/7 penalties missed this year. Since when does a 42% conversion rate from the spot make you a specialist?


Ive praised Jorginho for his performances under Tuchel. I’m also very aware of his deficiencies and don’t need to suck him off for every little thing like you do. I think you might be a Jorginho fan and not a Chelsea fan, Gol. Will your support follow Jorginho to whatever club we sell him to next?

Now here's a quandary to ponder.  What club's shirt will he be w**king into if both Jorginho AND Havertz get binned off to different clubs?

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7 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

1. So is your favorite player also not fit for the PL or is it how I said about you - only Jorginho isn't fit for this league for you, everyone else gets a pass?

2. So the fact that Sarri, Lampard and Tuchel used Jorginho is just a difference from your opinion and theirs?

3. Only because of Hazard? Not because Sarri totally changed the way we play and implemented his system in which Jorginho played a major role as well? Only 1 player is to be given credit and that's it? You're exactly how I described you, very far from having a balanced view.

4. So even Pep can make a mistake about a player but not you? You somehow want to believe that Jorginho would have been a flop for Pep even though for us he hasn't been a flop? I can just as easily point to all the signings that worked out well for Pep and then what do you have?

5. Does it even matter then, you can simply choose to praise whoever you want - well so can I. At least I don't wait till every game is over to trashtalk a particular player.

I have defended a lot of our players, I have defended Lampard as well, I have defended even Lampard when he benched Jorginho last season and fought against Slojo and Argo about it because we were winning games. If I were to criticize Jorginho it wouldn't change my opinion that he has proven himself in the PL already after his first season, that's a whole different stand point from you that will always be against him for whatever reason - if we win the game he's a problem, if we lose he's clearly the only reason why we lost. I'm sure that no matter what Jorginho does he's never ever going to please you so it really doesn't matter, everyone is a factor to everything positive except 1 player according to you - We haven't had a need for this 1 player for 3 seasons yet he somehow keeps getting to show himself on your screen and you just can't understand it...

What? how does that make any sense?, i dont criticise any other player apart from Jorginho?. I havent criticised Christensen then? i haven't recently criticised Ziyech? I dont think Christensen is suited to the premier league either, does that make you happy now? its not just Jorginho, jesus.

Lampard also used Alonso but didn't rate him, Lampard also used Michy Batshayui and didn't rate him, he also used Kepa and didn't rate him. You can play players you don particularly rate.

No is was pretty much all about Hazard, 16 goals 16 assists never been done since Thierry Henry, involved in over 50% of our goals.

Again what? of course i can be wrong im human. I was wrong about Chilwell, and i held my hands up on this forum! I wouldn't say Jorginho has been a flop for us but considering how much he cost i wouldn't say hes been exactly great either. i think Fabinho of liverpool is twice the player and cost twice as less.

Ive never trash talk Jorginho! honestly stop making stuff up! i said he played well yesterday, he's a good player! i said after the Palace game at home this season was his best in a Chelsea shirt. Me saying he lacks pace and strength for the premier league and id rather play Kante played instead is hardly trash talk.

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4 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

What? how does that make any sense?, i dont criticise any other player apart from Jorginho?. I havent criticised Christensen then? i haven't recently criticised Ziyech? I dont think Christensen is suited to the premier league either, does that make you happy now? its not just Jorginho, jesus.

Well I just want to know, is there any other player in our squad that isn't fit for the PL part from Jorginho, according to you?

4 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

No is was pretty much all about Hazard, 16 goals 16 assists never been done since Thierry Henry, involved in over 50% of our goals.

You're having a clear double standard by always looking to discredit how well Jorginho has done on one hand - while on the other fully giving all credit to Hazard and nobody else. Anyone that knows just a little bit about football will tell you that Sarri used Hazard very well in his system but that it wasn't only due to him that we have done well, even the pundits were openly talking about how everything went through Jorginho that season. You can be sure that Sarri wouldn't have managed to make us play possession based football if he didn't sign Jorginho to help him out, we wouldn't have finished top 3 with Sarri that season without a player like Jorginho that fits his style.

 

10 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

 

Again what? of course i can be wrong im human. I was wrong about Chilwell, and i held my hands up on this forum! I wouldn't say Jorginho has been a flop for us but considering how much he cost i wouldn't say hes been exactly great either. i think Fabinho of liverpool is twice the player and cost twice as less.

 

Saying that he isn't exactly great isn't the same as saying that he doesn't fit for the PL at all, just so you know there is a huge difference there. Regardless that we need a classical DM, Jorginho was more expensive than Fabinho but not twice as much. If we sign Ndidi for the same price I wonder how many would just dislike him because of the price tag...

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48 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Now here's a quandary to ponder.  What club's shirt will he be w**king into if both Jorginho AND Havertz get binned off to different clubs?

Leave Havertz out of this, whine about the usual...

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3 hours ago, coco said:

I'll jump onboard the good ship Jorgy if he can get us through this group of fixtures unscathed...

 

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Lol we would need Lampard, Essien and Maka in their primes to get good returns from that. 

Think we are looking at 5 points and a champions league exit with no goals scored over the 2 ties against the meanest defence of the planet.

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7 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Why is that?  Are you only able to be insufferable about one of your man-crushes at a time?

Havertz is going to be an amazing player, you'll see. Then you will remember me and say... "I wish I had listened to that guy"...

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Just now, Gol15 said:

Havertz is going to be an amazing player, you'll see. Then you will remember me and say... "I wish I had listened to that guy"...

To be honest, I'm not really disagreeing with you.  He might well turn out to be very good, but at the moment he is a liability and worse than playing with 10 men.

Telling me (with or without pictures and charts) how great he was in Germany is of absolutely no relevance at all. We have a long, long list of players who were supposedly "great" at their previous clubs and turned to w**k when they arrived with us.  Until I see some actual playing ability from Havertz, I'll consider him another Torres or Sheva, but without the long history of actually BEING great..

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7 hours ago, yorkleyblue said:

To be honest, I'm not really disagreeing with you.  He might well turn out to be very good, but at the moment he is a liability and worse than playing with 10 men.

Telling me (with or without pictures and charts) how great he was in Germany is of absolutely no relevance at all. We have a long, long list of players who were supposedly "great" at their previous clubs and turned to w**k when they arrived with us.  Until I see some actual playing ability from Havertz, I'll consider him another Torres or Sheva, but without the long history of actually BEING great..

Spot on yb. Huge money spent, again not on results, but on potential, and Twatter hype. 

I think he might yet be a good player, but at the moment he looks like a poor man's Ruben. 

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