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3 hours ago, chiefBlueCFC said:

man i keep seeing comments about Kante like he is has nothing to offer and we should sell him acting like he isn't the best defensive midfielder in the world; because he had a few injuries last season? I mean what,,, just Kante slander all over the place. Please respect the king

Absolutely spot on! Last season was the first blip since Kante has set foot in the Country, he deserves a season as he is still levels above Rice. 

Rice will most likely be a lot more attainable a year from now and a season further along in his development as a player and leader. 

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55 minutes ago, Imran_CFC said:

Absolutely spot on! Last season was the first blip since Kante has set foot in the Country, he deserves a season as he is still levels above Rice. 

Rice will most likely be a lot more attainable a year from now and a season further along in his development as a player and leader. 

He was pretty average the season before to be fair. He's a completely different player to rice. 

I think he's got a chance to be okay again if he stays fit. Lampard may well be looking at having 2 deeper midfielders rather than a single DLP. If him and Kovacic can start to play well together it could be good. 

Rice I think maybe we should wait until next summer. I have a feeling we shouldn't be signing too many players

 

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15 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

He was pretty average the season before to be fair. He's a completely different player to rice. 

I think he's got a chance to be okay again if he stays fit. Lampard may well be looking at having 2 deeper midfielders rather than a single DLP. If him and Kovacic can start to play well together it could be good. 

Rice I think maybe we should wait until next summer. I have a feeling we shouldn't be signing too many players

 

He was our best midfielder the season before, a half fit Kante dominated the midfield against Arsenal in the cup final and had he been fit I believe the result of the FA Cup final this season may well have been different. 

Hypotheticals aside I understand Kante and Rice fulfil different roles in the team however it is looking likely that Lampard is thinking of deploying Kante deeper to screen the defense. With the ludicrous sum of money being demanded by West Ham we should not be thinking of engaging in any negotiations as I think Rice is worth half the amount being demanded. 

If I had a choice between Kante and Rice to play as my CDM for a big game I would go with Kante every day of the week, even if it is not his primary position. 

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8 minutes ago, Imran_CFC said:

He was our best midfielder the season before, a half fit Kante dominated the midfield against Arsenal in the cup final and had he been fit I believe the result of the FA Cup final this season may well have been different. 

Hypotheticals aside I understand Kante and Rice fulfil different roles in the team however it is looking likely that Lampard is thinking of deploying Kante deeper to screen the defense. With the ludicrous sum of money being demanded by West Ham we should not be thinking of engaging in any negotiations as I think Rice is worth half the amount being demanded. 

If I had a choice between Kante and Rice to play as my CDM for a big game I would go with Kante every day of the week, even if it is not his primary position. 

He was not our best midfielder under Sarri. 

Kante will never be a screen for the defence. He will always need to be deployed alongside another deep playing midfielder if he's playing in a deep role. I would never play kante as a lone CDM as he is far too often caught out of position. He chases the ball and therefore loses his position. 

In my opinion, next season Kante will play alongside Kovacic and be deployed deeper than either have been for the last two seasons. I don't see how anyone thinks lampard is thinking of playing Kante as a lone CDM when he has never played that role in 2 seasons under Lampard or Sarri.

Incidentally. I think Rice has the ability to be a world class. I think he is significantly underrated here as a CDM.

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2 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

He was not our best midfielder under Sarri. 

Kante will never be a screen for the defence. He will always need to be deployed alongside another deep playing midfielder if he's playing in a deep role. I would never play kante as a lone CDM as he is far too often caught out of position. He chases the ball and therefore loses his position. 

Incidentally. I think Rice has the ability to be world class. I think he is significantly underrated here as a CDM. 

Agree to disagree on Kante as I think a fully fit Kante with instructions to screen the defense would not be caught out of position as he is at times when playing the box to box role. 

I agree on Rice having the potential to become a world Class CDM, but this version of Rice is levels below Kante anywhere in Midfield. I would go after Rice next season when we have a better picture of how Kante may perform in his new role and when Rice becomes more attainable with another year knocked backed on his contract.

 

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24 minutes ago, Imran_CFC said:

Agree to disagree on Kante as I think a fully fit Kante with instructions to screen the defense would not be caught out of position as he is at times when playing the box to box role. 

I agree on Rice having the potential to become a world Class CDM, but this version of Rice is levels below Kante anywhere in Midfield. I would go after Rice next season when we have a better picture of how Kante may perform in his new role and when Rice becomes more attainable with another year knocked backed on his contract.

 

The last time kante was given those instructions we were 3-0 down at half time to arsenal. I don't believe he's played that role for Chelsea since. When he's played deeper he's needed someone alongside him. Next year I suspect he and Kovacic will play deeper alongside each other and we will Havertz centrally further up. I don't think either Kante or Kovacic can play a lone CDM role 

Rice can. He has been playing that role for West Ham and I think he's the real deal. He's not 80m though. 

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I’m truly baffled by the whole sell Kante thing and the belief that Rice is better than Kante anywhere in midfield. 
 

Seen some really good arguments for selling Kante but I haven’t been swayed so far. It’d be really interesting to see a poll on the site, to get an idea for percentages for and against selling Kante. Also a poll for and against brining Rice in, broken down by fees (i.e. No Rice, Rice any cost, Rice £80m, Rice £40m+, Rice>£40m)

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4 hours ago, doctorblue said:

Is it just me but I can't see what all the fuss is about...Rice is a bang average player and can't even lick the boots of Kante...and £65m for him is a joke...we have Gilmour, Ampadu and possibly Reece James to cover that position...so thanks but no thanks...and BTW he's not a CB either 

I don't think there's any way we would go for him as a midfielder. This may only make sense if the club sees him as a good option for CB.

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One of the pleasant undercurrents of this whole saga has been the notion that Chelsea - much like Real Madrid, Barca or Bayern - have the perception of being an ultimate destination for a player. Rice may go on to do great things for another club but there is a sense of inevitability about his transfer to Chelsea. 

There's no need to rush into a deal for Rice, and I suspect West Ham know that and are probably pushing for a transfer now rather than later. Much like how Barcelona and Bayern seem to scoop up certain players for a pittance, we know that at some point in his career, Rice can be headed to Chelsea at a moment's notice. The price depends solely on how much we need him at that given moment.

Each month that comes off Rice's contract is millions of pounds off his transfer value to Chelsea. We don't need to sign him at 80m now when we can get him for 40m next year, or potentially even less. It's not like he's going elsewhere.

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18 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

One of the pleasant undercurrents of this whole saga has been the notion that Chelsea - much like Real Madrid, Barca or Bayern - have the perception of being an ultimate destination for a player. Rice may go on to do great things for another club but there is a sense of inevitability about his transfer to Chelsea. 

There's no need to rush into a deal for Rice, and I suspect West Ham know that and are probably pushing for a transfer now rather than later. Much like how Barcelona and Bayern seem to scoop up certain players for a pittance, we know that at some point in his career, Rice can be headed to Chelsea at a moment's notice. The price depends solely on how much we need him at that given moment.

Each month that comes off Rice's contract is millions of pounds off his transfer value to Chelsea. We don't need to sign him at 80m now when we can get him for 40m next year, or potentially even less. It's not like he's going elsewhere.

I don´t think his price will be cut down in half. And sure he would like to come to chelsea but if another big club comes in willing to pay what west ham wants offering him UCL football and lots of money i don´t think he would keep waiting for chelsea to feel like he is worth what west ham are asking.

but i agree we shouldn´t go for him now

 

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They’ve brought in 2 academy players and made Souceks loan permanent for 15 mill, sold one of their better players. They appear to be in need of the readies to strengthen their flirting with relegation squad. If Chelsea want him this window, he may be buyable for a lot less than what the pornographers’ are publicly demanding. 

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12 hours ago, evissy said:

Reports today are saying we are after a DM. The say Rice is his preferred option. If we get him for 40-45m sterling we should go for it. The quoted 80m is just double he is worth.

If there is 1 position that we don't need to strengthen, it's that one!

Our player of the year Kovacic plays there, Jorginho plays there, Gilmour plays there and Kante could do a semi-decent job there as well. Waste of money. 

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If there is 1 position that we don't need to strengthen, it's that one!
Our player of the year Kovacic plays there, Jorginho plays there, Gilmour plays there and Kante could do a semi-decent job there as well. Waste of money. 
Jorginho for me is the only natural DM and even he lacks the characteristics Frank wants out of DM. Kovacic is left sided CM, Kante a RM or a DM in a pivot. Gilmour is injured and very young. I think Frank wants to play 4-3-3 with the new DM behind Mount and Havertz.
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1 hour ago, evissy said:
1 hour ago, Gol15 said:
If there is 1 position that we don't need to strengthen, it's that one!
Our player of the year Kovacic plays there, Jorginho plays there, Gilmour plays there and Kante could do a semi-decent job there as well. Waste of money. 

Jorginho for me is the only natural DM and even he lacks the characteristics Frank wants out of DM. Kovacic is left sided CM, Kante a RM or a DM in a pivot. Gilmour is injured and very young. I think Frank wants to play 4-3-3 with the new DM behind Mount and Havertz.

I'm sure that's what he wants. Or maybe behind kovacic and havertz. You have Kante or Jorginho for that role. Most people would think Kante is a natural except that he is not as strong as Makele and can be bumped off the ball a bit more easily. There are a large number of combination for the middle three. Even as compared with ten years ago though more clubs will be playing 4 2 3 1 and that's a system where kovacic and Kante will do a great job behind say pulisic havertz zyech. You could have mount and kante or mount and kovacic, or jorginho and kante etc.  I can't see how we need Rice right now.

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2 hours ago, Gol15 said:

If there is 1 position that we don't need to strengthen, it's that one!

Our player of the year Kovacic plays there, Jorginho plays there, Gilmour plays there and Kante could do a semi-decent job there as well. Waste of money. 

None of those players are your typical DMs that we seem to be looking for

Kovacic is much more of a box-2-box midfielder and asking him to sit in front of the defence takes away his biggest asset in driving forward with the ball, Kante isn't someone who wouldn't sit back, he's best when he's allowed to roam across the pitch to the ball back.

Jorginho and Gilmour will both sit back but their job is to dictate the play and keep possession flowing, Jorginho lacks the athleticism, strength and pace and Gilmour lacks the height and strength 

From what I've heard and seen it appears very likely we'll be lining up in a 4-3-3 with Mount and Havertz as number 8s with a DM behind them. That DM will need to be very disciplined to stay in position, strong, athletic, comfortable with the ball and great at intercepting and tackling 

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4 hours ago, Sparkz said:

None of those players are your typical DMs that we seem to be looking for

Kovacic is much more of a box-2-box midfielder and asking him to sit in front of the defence takes away his biggest asset in driving forward with the ball, Kante isn't someone who wouldn't sit back, he's best when he's allowed to roam across the pitch to the ball back.

Jorginho and Gilmour will both sit back but their job is to dictate the play and keep possession flowing, Jorginho lacks the athleticism, strength and pace and Gilmour lacks the height and strength 

From what I've heard and seen it appears very likely we'll be lining up in a 4-3-3 with Mount and Havertz as number 8s with a DM behind them. That DM will need to be very disciplined to stay in position, strong, athletic, comfortable with the ball and great at intercepting and tackling 

That player is not Rice. We want a Sergio Busquets but whole Spain can't find a replacement for him so I can see people getting pretty dissapointed over Rice.

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7 hours ago, rtwelch said:

Would Gilmour be muscled out if Rice comes? One to think on...

A definite 'yes'.   Let's face it we can all see great potential in Gilmour and he had a couple of cracking games against Everton and Liverpool, but for the other games he was bang average and was forced into many errors.  He needs to bulk up and go out on loan if he wants to play first team football on a continual basis this season.   At this time there is just too much talent in this squad, best we can offer him would be cup games, subs and the odd start against weak opposition IMO. 

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