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http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,1...4303616,00.html

What a horrid little child.

The Rangers striker was an unused substitute in Saturday's goalless World Cup qualifier at Hampden.

Boyd told BBC Scotland that he has informed both Burley and Scottish Football Association chief executive Gordon Smith of his decision.

"I left a message on George Burley's phone last night and he hadn't got back to me," Boyd said.

"I didn't think just leaving a message was very professional, so I spoke with Gordon Smith and informed him of my decision."

But Boyd insisted he had not closed the door on his Scotland career completely, adding: "I will not be playing for George Burley again, but I hope to be back in a Scotland jersey again one day."

Listen, if a player with the stature of David Beckham can sit on the bench for his national side, regardless of his age, then this nobody can. Who the f*ck does this guy think he is? I wouldn't want to be with him on the frontline. Playing for your country is the highest honour, I hope he never gets picked again. Almost worth Scotland winning a major trophy now... almost... then to see his prima donna face when they go up to get their medals.

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Listen, if a player with the stature of David Beckham can sit on the bench for his national side, regardless of his age, then this nobody can. Who the f*ck does this guy think he is? I wouldn't want to be with him on the frontline. Playing for your country is the highest honour, I hope he never gets picked again. Almost worth Scotland winning a major trophy now... almost... then to see his prima donna face when they go up to get their medals.

I can understand him being pissed off with Burley - yesterday the Scottish manager chose to put on an unproven striker in a World Cup Qualifier (who then proceeded to miss an embarrassingly easy chance), rather than play Boyd who has proved time and again that he's capable of scoring at that level. I think it goes a bit deeper than just that though - Burley also took off the best Scottish player on the park yesterday (McFadden) for no good reason. There's either a lot of sh*t going on behind the scenes, or Burley just isn't up to the job.

On a similar note, I'd love to see the entire Chelsea/England contingent withdraw from future England games, as their efforts certainly aren't appreciated by the majority of England's fans - yesterdays booing of Ashley Cole after just one mistake was a disgrace, but sadly, not totally unexpected. Maybe if Lampard, Ashley, Joey, JT & Bridgey all packed in playing for England the fans might actually realise just how much they contribute. Never gonna happen, but I can dream.... :)

Oh, and Gem - "a player with the stature of David Beckham"??????? B) :)

:) ;)

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kris is a good player and i def wouldnt call him a nobody he has scored somethin like 78 goals in just over 100 games for the gers. he is a bit lazy at times but certainly didnt deserve to be dropped ahead of that twat who missed from a yard out.

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I agree with Gem tbh, he is acting to big for his boots it's not like scotland are not a good team, there are better players than him in the squad and he has no right to go round saying he won't play for his country anymore, yeh maybe the manager made a mistake.. imagine if the "unproven striker" had converted that chance- instant hero and no one would of brought up the matter anymore and called it good management.

Boyd's got no right.



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Without knowing much about either player, I'm totally in agreement with Gem here. Maybe Boyd is a better player, more reliable goalscorer, but you have to give Burley the benefit of the doubt, meaning that he thought he was doing the best thing under the circumstances. So maybe he made the wrong decision, but is that any reason for Boyd to throw his toys out of the pram?

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I agree with Gem tbh, he is acting to big for his boots it's not like scotland are not a good team, there are better players than him in the squad and he has no right to go round saying he won't play for his country anymore, yeh maybe the manager made a mistake.. imagine if the "unproven striker" had converted that chance- instant hero and no one would of brought up the matter anymore and called it good management.

Err, he never said that - he said he wouldn't play for Burley anymore, but made it very clear that he hopes to play for Scotland again. So it seems pretty obvious that the problem is a personal one between Boyd & Burley. Like I said, none of us know what might have been going on behind the scenes - I personally think there's more to it than the substitution decision.

Boyd's got no right.

No matter what the reasons are for Boyd's decision, he's well within his rights to refuse to play for a manager at international level if he doesn't want to - a player isn't contracted to play for an international side like he is with his club.

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Ok, maybe it's not so clear cut as would first appear. If Boyd's refusal to play under Burley again was based purely on not getting on the pitch yesterday, then it's as Gem said in the first place.

However, as you say maybe there's something going on between the two. Has there previously been any hint of a personality clash?



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Whatever his goal record is there is no getting away from the fact that one manager after another doesn't have the faith in Boyd to play him regularly. If it was just Burley and Boyd was a Rangers regular then you would really question the decision. However that simply isn't the case. Boyd has struggled to hold down a first team spot at both international and club level under a number of managers and he has to take a look at himself and ask what he contributes to the team when it is struggling - the answer is very little. Once he sorts that out (which only he can do) then managers will be more than happy to play him regularly.

Not sure why he has thrown his toys out of the pram with Burley and not Walter Smith at Rangers (probably because he is more scared of Smith) because Smith has done everything possible to bring in alternative strikers to Boyd.

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Bluebeard

On the point about Burley's decisions yesterday I actually think his decision to change to a 4-4-2 was absolutely the right one. As soon as he did it Scotland looked far more effective and actually played well and certainly deserved to win. I think Scottish football fans are now suffering from inflated expectations because of the relative success they had under Smith and then McLeish. I say relative success because they didn't actually qualify or anything but they did punch above their weight in terms of some of the results they got whilst trying to qualify. However they did also ride their luck on quite a few occasions in those games and maybe yesterday that little bit of luck deserted them.

Some Scotland ans are calling for Burley to be sacked already which is frankly ridiculous after three games in charge.

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Bluebeard

On the point about Burley's decisions yesterday I actually think his decision to change to a 4-4-2 was absolutely the right one. As soon as he did it Scotland looked far more effective and actually played well and certainly deserved to win. I think Scottish football fans are now suffering from inflated expectations because of the relative success they had under Smith and then McLeish. I say relative success because they didn't actually qualify or anything but they did punch above their weight in terms of some of the results they got whilst trying to qualify. However they did also ride their luck on quite a few occasions in those games and maybe yesterday that little bit of luck deserted them.

Some Scotland ans are calling for Burley to be sacked already which is frankly ridiculous after three games in charge.

The general consensus seems to be that Burley should have started with a 4-4-2, not a negative 4-5-1. I know it improved once Burley changed it, but it was the fact that he took McFadden off that really annoyed people. McFadden was probably the best Scottish player on the pitch up till then, and I just can't understand him being taken off - especially as the ineffective Robson and Maloney (*) were left on.

I also don't understand why Iwelumo was given his debut in such an important game. If it was a friendly match it would make sense, but to chuck him into a World Cup Qualifier alongside Steve Fletcher beggars belief. I like Fletcher and think he's a very promising player, but he needed an experienced player alongside him yesterday, and that player was Boyd.

I agree that calling for Burley to be sacked already is ridiculous - but he definitely made some bad decisions yesterday.

(*) - the fact that both these lemons play for Septic is mere coincidence! ;)



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It wasn't really a 4-5-1 formation in the negative sense that 4-5-1 sounds. It was very much a Mourinho style 4-5-1 that became 4-3-3 when Scotland were in possession and in fairness to Burley it was working that way in the early part of the game and if anyone was giving Norway problems it was Maloney rather than McFadden. In fact I thought a number of Scotland's players played better than McFadden including (block your ears) Maloney, Brown and Robson and I wasn't at all surprised when he was hooked.

When Scotland did make the changes I, like you, expected it to be Boyd brought on and think it was very odd that he wasn't.

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It's not the first time a Scottish striker has fallen out with the manager, and subsequently the SFA. Duncan Ferguson fell out with the SFA and subsequently never played for Scotland again.

If Boyd has thrown his toys out the pram, I think he used yesterdays result as an excuse to not play anymore for Burley. It would seem that he and Burley have some issues, and as Loz said, if it was merely because he isn't being played then why is he not falling out with Walter Smith?

One of the things that gets me, is that Scotland aren't exactly blessed with choices, so to lose someone (Even if it is a "nobody" like Boyd) is merely detrimental to Scotland

Scott

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I agree with Gem tbh, he is acting to big for his boots it's not like scotland are not a good team, there are better players than him in the squad and he has no right to go round saying he won't play for his country anymore, yeh maybe the manager made a mistake.. imagine if the "unproven striker" had converted that chance- instant hero and no one would of brought up the matter anymore and called it good management.

Boyd's got no right.

I I agree that there are better players than Boyd in the squad but despite what I have said in other posts within this thread there is no better out and out goal scorer in the squad and when you are 0-0 at home in a game you really need to win (and you are creating chances) then surely you turn to a man who has a proven record of putting the ball in the net rather than a man who has been ignored at international level until he turned 30.

Boyd is lazy beggar, Boyd sometimes has the first touch of an elephant, Boyd 20 yards from goal is more often than not more of a liability than an asset but Boyd sniffing around 12 yards out is as good a goal grabber as Scotland have had in years. Funnily enough you could say exactly the same about Gary Lineker, dreadful outside of the penalty area but possibly the finest goal poacher within the box that England has ever produced. Now I am not putting Boyd in the same league as Lineker but there are similarities there. The big difference is that teams were prepared to play a style that accommodated Lineker's strengths whereas it would appear they aren't with Boyd.

Having said all of that I don't excuse his toys out of the pram one bit (just as I don't with Scholes and Carragher). It all stinks of attention seeking to me. If he is so sure that Burley doesn't like him or isn't prepared to play him then why bother retiring from international football? Just carry on with your domestic football, prove him wrong and if he still doesn't select you then the fans and the media will soon make it clear what they think of the selection.

When you play for your country you are representing your country, not whichever manager happens to be in the job at the time. Even if you despise that manager, if you want to play for your country (as Boyd claims he does) then you should be ready and willing to pull on the jersey at every opportunity. Boyd isn't prepared to do that and that makes his claims of wantnig to play for his country sound pretty empty to me.

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It wasn't really a 4-5-1 formation in the negative sense that 4-5-1 sounds. It was very much a Mourinho style 4-5-1 that became 4-3-3 when Scotland were in possession and in fairness to Burley it was working that way in the early part of the game and if anyone was giving Norway problems it was Maloney rather than McFadden. In fact I thought a number of Scotland's players played better than McFadden including (block your ears) Maloney, Brown and Robson and I wasn't at all surprised when he was hooked.

When Scotland did make the changes I, like you, expected it to be Boyd brought on and think it was very odd that he wasn't.

Sorry mate, but I don't think the 4-5-1 was working at all in the first half - weird how people see games differently - so you're clearly wrong ;) :D

I thought McFadden was a far bigger threat than Maloney, but by full-time I'd say that Scott Brown was probably Scotland's MOM. I don't believe that Maloney or Robson are good enough to play for Scotland, I'd far rather see Steve Naismith given a chance (no bias there at all!), and I reckon Steve Fletcher is destined to do well. There are some decent young Scottish players around, but I'm beginning to worry that George Burley is already undoing all the good work that Walter Smith & Alex McLeish put in.

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Your last scentence is what worries me most BB. I think we had a great team dynamic, and self-belief (two wins over the French, know you had to love that!!!), and now I am worried that there is a disruption amongst the squad that will un-do the positive direction we were heading in as a National team. Hadn't felt as optimistic about the Scottish team since Richard Gough was our captain

Scott

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