Our forwards, how confident are you in them...

[dkw]

fix our midfield and our attack will get much better in my opinion, watching the poor sods make shuttle runs while trying to get a pass as our midfielders f**k about for 10 minutes is soul destroying.

 

[Nibs]

I think that our forwards will score if chances are created and we stop passing the ball sideways and backwards when we should be driving forward

creativity seems to be our biggest issue .

fix our midfield and our attack will get much better in my opinion, watching the poor sods make shuttle runs while trying to get a pass as our midfielders f**k about for 10 minutes is soul destroying.

THIS.

Our midfield has been average and lacking in any creativity for some time. Kante is great when he is fit and I still have hopes for Gallagher and like what I briefly saw of Carney, but until we upgrade on Jorginho, RLC and (sorry, I know he is a favourite with some), Kovacic, then we can kiss goodbye to challenging for any more honours.

 

[jack_super_class]

fix our midfield and our attack will get much better in my opinion, watching the poor sods make shuttle runs while trying to get a pass as our midfielders f**k about for 10 minutes is soul destroying.

We have watched Mount and Havertz for 3/4 seasons. Mount plays with Rice with England and he still cant dribble and create. Pulisic and Ziyech created 3 big chances between them VS Man City, Havertz and Mount between them all season have created 4.

Hazard got the most goal involvement in the PL with Jorginho as a DM. Willian was in the top 10 for BCC with Jorginho as a DM. Tammy Abraham got 15 PL goals and Jorginho assisted him more than Mount did. Mount got back to back player of the seasons.

Pulisic after lockdown was one of the best players in the league with Jorginho as a DM. Zaha creates and dribbles past players and he doesn't have a brilliant DM. It's hilarious to blame all our attackers poor performances on Jorginho and Kovacic etc.

 

[Nibs]

We have watched Mount and Havertz for 3/4 seasons. Mount plays with Rice with England and he still cant dribble and create. Pulisic and Ziyech created 3 big chances between them VS Man City, Havertz and Mount between them all season have created 4.

Hazard got the most goal involvement in the PL with Jorginho as a DM. Willian was in the top 10 for BCC with Jorginho as a DM. Tammy Abraham got 15 PL goals and Jorginho assisted him more than Mount did. Mount got back to back player of the seasons.

Pulisic after lockdown was one of the best players in the league with Jorginho as a DM. Zaha creates and dribbles past players and he doesn't have a brilliant DM. It's hilarious to blame all our attackers poor performances on Jorginho and Kovacic etc.

You're honestly giving any credit to Jorginho for Hazard's outstanding performances? Like Jorginho had anything to do with Hazard, at times, winning us games single-handedley?

Yes, if we still had a match-winner like Hazard we wouldn't be so desperate for more quality in the midfield and we could continue to get by with J5, Kova and RLC, but unfortunately we don't and that's a big reason why that midfield needs badly refreshing because it just doesn't cut it any more.

 

[jack_super_class]

You're honestly giving any credit to Jorginho for Hazard's outstanding performances? Like Jorginho had anything to do with Hazard, at times, winning us games single-handedley?

Yes, if we still had a match-winner like Hazard we wouldn't be so desperate for more quality in the midfield and we could continue to get by with J5, Kova and RLC, but unfortunately we don't and that's a big reason why that midfield needs badly refreshing because it just doesn't cut it any more.

No, i'm saying our forwards aren't very good and blaming our attackers for being poor being down to Jorginho, Kovacic is hilarious. Im giving examples of attackers doing well with Jorginho and Kovacic in the  team.

And yes i know we need new midfielders, but buying new midfielders isn't all of a sudden going to make Havertz, Mount, Pulisic and the rest good and able to dribble and create.

It's not going to stop Havertz crossing the ball and it ending up for a throw in. Its nots going to stop Mount over hitting a simple pass. It's not going to stop Pulisic missing easy chances.

 

[Gol15]

No, i'm saying our forwards aren't very good and blaming our attackers for being poor being down to Jorginho, Kovacic is hilarious. Im giving examples of attackers doing well with Jorginho and Kovacic in the  team.

And yes i know we need new midfielders, but buying new midfielders isn't all of a sudden going to make Havertz, Mount, Pulisic and the rest good and able to dribble and create.

It's not going to stop Havertz crossing the ball and it ending up for a throw in. Its nots going to stop Mount over hitting a simple pass. It's not going to stop Pulisic missing easy chances.

It must be said that the football we played under Sarri had several players contributing with goals. Giroud had one of his best seasons with us, Pedro, Willian and Kante too and yes, Hazard had arguably his best season then as well when it comes to the sheer end product.
This is despite us not really scoring that many goals, but at least they did come from the front line players, under Tuchel most goals weren't scored from our attackers but despite that we scored more goals in total in comparison so it goes to show how our style of play has been different under different managers.

We also could see in the previous seasons just how many clear-cut chances our players missed, most famous for that was Werner for example.

So while there is a lot of truth in saying that our midfield simply doesn't produce enough end product, it's also safe to say that some teams that had much more goals scored from their front line didn't need their midfielders to have much assists, Liverpool is the prime example since they had several players that outscored our attackers, Salah, Jota, Mané and so on regularly outscored our wingers/strikers without any significant contribution from their midfielders.

I think that it's clear that we lack a real destroyer, since Diego Costa we haven't had a real striker that could by his own solve matches, meaning a player that gets the ball around the box and that could score from having some space and a defender in front of him. Our players don't beat defenders even when they do get the ball in a good area with enough time and space, the ball goes backwards. Broja got the ball in front, beat his attacker and took a shot that was saved in the recent times and that was very refreshing to see.

Both a new midfield core and attack is needed, that's my opinion.

 

[strider6004]

I will never forget Hazard playing no.9 under Sarri.

 

[KonaKai Blue]

Thought I would bump this thread. 

That Liverpool comeback has kind of ruined my evening. I long for the day when I'm so confident that anyone of 4 players in our first team can score at will. 

Right now it's better to put your money on one of our 5 defenders getting a goal.

 

[axman2526]

Thought I would bump this thread. 

That Liverpool comeback has kind of ruined my evening. I long for the day when I'm so confident that anyone of 4 players in our first team can score at will. 

Right now it's better to put your money on one of our 5 defenders getting a goal.

Sterling looks in the mood to get goals. Otherwise I agree that none of our other forwards, or indeed midfielders, scream a goal threat.

 

[Bob stark]

Thought I would bump this thread. 

That Liverpool comeback has kind of ruined my evening. I long for the day when I'm so confident that anyone of 4 players in our first team can score at will. 

Right now it's better to put your money on one of our 5 defenders getting a goal.

Hmm a lot of people doesn't believe in goalscorer though.