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Summer Exodus. Should we do it?

coombsie said:
Now it is all done and dusted, it is VITAL that we avoid the mistakes of previous seasons, and actually have the long overdue clear out.   The squad looks woefully short on real quality. I, having regrettably had to watch Liverpool and City up closely, have to admit that they are a Country mile ahead of us now and both have strengthened again, Liverpool with Diaz and now City with Haaland and it is a near certainty that both will go again in this window.

Lets be honest, we have far too much "dross" masquerading as first team squad players. It has been listed previously, and we all know who has to go and who to keep, but it is now down to TT to sort this sh*t out and push Boehly and Marina. Definitely bring back, Gallagher, Broja, Guehi (if we can) and Levi Colwill, buy Kounde, Rice, Darwin Nunez and take a couple of decent Free Agents from the likes of Christian Eriksen, Ousmane Dembele, and Paulo Dybala, Ivan Perisic, Niklas Sule and Dries Mertens.
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Good plans, and exploring the free market as best we can without paying ridiculous wages is a solid idea.

Niclas Sule is not an option though, he signed with Dortmund already.

 
Rebuilding our defence will probably mean that some players(who in normal circumstances have moved on) will stay. Bringing in too many new faces will be counter productive in bedding the defence in. 

 
It's unfortunate that the defence have become our greatest concern when it would have been the least of our worries if we could have kept our defenders. We may spend all summer "fixing" our defense but it's not going to improve us one bit as we aren't going to get anyone as good as Rudiger or even Christensen when he's motivated.

What we actually would have had to fix if we wanted to compete next season was our attack and midfield to an lesser extent. Now that our defence is obliterated that doesn't work anymore but we as fans better temper expectations for next season unless we have a monster window. Because in terms of how we are looking right now then Top 4 will be hard enough next season.

 
Sindre said:
It's unfortunate that the defence have become our greatest concern when it would have been the least of our worries if we could have kept our defenders. We may spend all summer "fixing" our defense but it's not going to improve us one bit as we aren't going to get anyone as good as Rudiger or even Christensen when he's motivated.

What we actually would have had to fix if we wanted to compete next season was our attack and midfield to an lesser extent. Now that our defence is obliterated that doesn't work anymore but we as fans better temper expectations for next season unless we have a monster window. Because in terms of how we are looking right now then Top 4 will be hard enough next season.
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I think getting Lewandowski in would solve a lot of our attacking problems, I see him like Thiago Silva, man is best striker in the world and he’d score anywhere. It wouldn’t be a terrible short term fix while we fix the defence imo.

 
We already have Christensen, rudiger, possibly azpi and alonso leaving.

If possible I would obviously sell bakayoko, barkley and Lukaku, plus one of Pulisic or Ziyech since they have decent sale value.

Loftus cheek and Hudson Odoi i would keep to give them a chance on a 4-3-3 formation and play them in their natural positions. They both played well for Sarri on that system plus we would need depth. 

I think everything depends on the system Tuchel plans to play moving forward. If it is the same with 5 defenders than we have seen this season many dont fit in and need to be sold/replaced. 

 
I love how a disappointing season in which we placed 3rd in the EPL (A year after winning the CL) and you guys all want to rage sell 3/4ths of the team.

Rudi and Christensen are leaving

Of what's left I would def. sell 

Azpi - His appearances have dropped, he's made some blunders and he's on the wrong side of 30.

Werner - He's not really a young player, and save for a very short spell of form he hasn't been on the pitch for important matches a lot.

Barkley - He's simply used too little.

Kepa - On too high of wages for his status as the 2nd choice keeper.  That could of course create a problem with selling him but if he could be sold he should be sold.  

I am 50/50 on selling

Alonso: Again he's on the wrong side of 30 and seems to be declining.  But he can still hit a run of form from time to time.  I would however like to see someone better playing behind Chilly.

Lukaku: I think there is a good player in there but his commitment to the club has been questionable and he just doesn't seem to have the pace.  Honestly I kind of think it was a mistake to sell Tammy and get Lukaku. 

Sarr: In terms of quality I would say sell.  The problem is that we have a lot of replace on defense as it is.  So I'm not sure we can just go selling defenders right now.  

Kante or Jorgi: Both seem to be in decline and while I think they can still contribute I also tend to believe that this might also be the last chance to get a decent fee for them.  

I would send CHO on loan.  

 
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Valpo said:
I love how a disappointing season in which we placed 3rd in the EPL (A year after winning the CL) and you guys all want to rage sell 3/4ths of the team.

Rudi and Christensen are leaving

Of what's left I would def. sell 

Azpi - His appearances have dropped, he's made some blunders and he's on the wrong side of 30.

Werner - He's not really a young player, and save for a very short spell of form he hasn't been on the pitch for important matches a lot.

Barkley - He's simply used too little.

Kepa - On too high of wages for his status as the 2nd choice keeper.  That could of course create a problem with selling him but if he could be sold he should be sold.  

I am 50/50 on selling

Alonso: Again he's on the wrong side of 30 and seems to be declining.  But he can still hit a run of form from time to time.  I would however like to see someone better playing behind Chilly.

Lukaku: I think there is a good player in there but his commitment to the club has been questionable and he just doesn't seem to have the pace.  Honestly I kind of think it was a mistake to sell Tammy and get Lukaku. 

Sarr: In terms of quality I would say sell.  The problem is that we have a lot of replace on defense as it is.  So I'm not sure we can just go selling defenders right now.  

Kante or Jorgi: Both seem to be in decline and while I think they can still contribute I also tend to believe that this might also be the last chance to get a decent fee for them.  

I would send CHO on loan.  
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Mate we are all sick of subpar signings while most of City and pools turn in to stars. We want to at least challange for the title.

 
Pau Torres and Milan Škriniar would be a good start to replace Christensen and Rudiger. Need to build a solid defence again before worring about scoring more goals. 

 
comtrend said:
Pau Torres and Milan Škriniar would be a good start to replace Christensen and Rudiger. Need to build a solid defence again before worring about scoring more goals. 
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I thought Torres looked good when I saw him and thought no way would we get him.

 
strider6004 said:
I thought Torres looked good when I saw him and thought no way would we get him.
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Jesus fecking wept strider!!! Don't do that!!! I thought you were talking about the other "Torres" (Alice band, freckles, sh*t football). The one who had thread on here that made the Jorginho thread seem like a vicar's tea party!

 
Valpo said:
I would send CHO on loan.  
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Great idea. A year at Portsmouth or somewhere and we’ll get back our own Mbappe for sure.

I think we sell as few as possible as none of them have any decent value now and as tired and jaded as many of them are, at least we know they can muddle a top four finish. With just a 200 million transfer pot, todays wages and our lousy scouting staff, we could very easily end up with just two new players that are both as bad as Werner in whatever position they play.

I’m just expecting a noisy but failed attempt to sign a high profile player and a couple of bargains from Burnley and Watford.

 
Snedger said:
Great idea. A year at Portsmouth or somewhere and we’ll get back our own Mbappe for sure.

I think we sell as few as possible as none of them have any decent value now and as tired and jaded as many of them are, at least we know they can muddle a top four finish. With just a 200 million transfer pot, todays wages and our lousy scouting staff, we could very easily end up with just two new players that are both as bad as Werner in whatever position they play.

I’m just expecting a noisy but failed attempt to sign a high profile player and a couple of bargains from Burnley and Watford.
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That makes no sense.  CHO is young and hasn't gotten consistent minutes.  He needs to get consistent minutes to improve.

I'm not saying he will become Mbappe . . . but we can't see what he will become because no one wants to give him a chance.  Most of you just want to rage sell 3/4ths of the team that won the CL a year ago because we had one disappointing season (Where we finished 3rd) that involved injuries to key players (James and Chilly especially) and sanctions that threw everything for a loop.

There are certainly improvements to be made but we arn't going to win any titles by rage selling most of the team the second they disappoint us.  

The players like Van Dijk and De Bruyne where not all star players at age 21.  They developed into all star players.  Those dudes are 30 now.  

But yes sell 3/4ths of a very young team.  That makes total sense.  Just like it made total sense to sell Tammy because he wasn't good enough . . . He's only #4 in scoring in Serie A after one freaking year.  

 
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I hope we stay away from big money signings unless they are truly elite (e.g. Mbappe, Lewa). It just adds a lot more pressure on the player and we have a lot more to lose if he fails. I would love Rice but nothing over 60-70M. On the flipside, our second choice should not be as low as Drinkwater. Personally I will invest heavily in the scouting network. 

 
Valpo said:
That makes no sense.  CHO is young and hasn't gotten consistent minutes.  He needs to get consistent minutes to improve. 
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Even last/this season he was 3rd (in the league that is not just our team) on both key passes and big chances created.

I get he hasn't (yet) lived up to the kid that smashed it at youth level but I'm actually shocked at the level of stick he gets, especially given the amount of chances and leeway Pulisic (who apart from finishing has been a lot worse for the last two season's) gets. He's our most creative player in a team very badly lacking it.

 
Argo said:
Even last/this season he was 3rd (in the league that is not just our team) on both key passes and big chances created.

I get he hasn't (yet) lived up to the kid that smashed it at youth level but I'm actually shocked at the level of stick he gets, especially given the amount of chances and leeway Pulisic (who apart from finishing has been a lot worse for the last two season's) gets. He's our most creative player in a team very badly lacking it.
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Do you know my biggest problem with CHO Argo? It's not technical ability, (that's Werner), it's not physical ability, (that's Jorginho and Pulisic), it's attitude. I probably need to explain that better. bo**ocks, stones, cohones, agression, fight, passion a hint of nastiness when it is needed. Swagger, belief, f**k you fella I'm better. Stick ability, never give up, fight till the end.

I don't think he has any of that. And that is something you can't learn. Same as a physical attribute like pace. God made you with it or he didn't. But this is mental. You either have it naturally or you don't. He comes across as so laid back and carefree he's practically horizontal. And that comes through in a lot of his performances, despite what random stats might be highlighted to argue he is 3rd best in the league in a particular metric.

 
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Argo said:
Even last/this season he was 3rd (in the league that is not just our team) on both key passes and big chances created.

I get he hasn't (yet) lived up to the kid that smashed it at youth level but I'm actually shocked at the level of stick he gets, especially given the amount of chances and leeway Pulisic (who apart from finishing has been a lot worse for the last two season's) gets. He's our most creative player in a team very badly lacking it.
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The only one up front that I've completely given up on is Werner.  It seems like he has the yips like 80% of the time.  If he didn't have the yips he'd be a great player.  

I'm not high on Lukaku either because of questions about his commitment, if he fits the scheme, and his age should put him at the prime of his career, so he's not a guy that I look at as someone who's going to improve significantly.    

The thing is that everyone talks about how we get in the next Mo Salah, the next Van Dyjk, the next De Bruyne.  .  . All those guys arn't 23 years old like most of our forwards they are 30 or close to it.  (De Bruyne and Van Jyjk are both 30 last I checked and Salah will be 30 in like 3 weeks)  Those guys where not who they are now at 23 years old.  Hell 2 of them had Chelsea shirts on when they where 23 years old.  

You don't give up on players who can reliably get you in the top 4 every year at age 23 just because "they arn't championship level players".   

We can't just suddenly buy a championship level squad, we have to build one and develop one.  That's not going to happen by rage selling 3/4ths of the team because "3rd isn't good enough."  

This is even more true today that Chelsea isn't going to be backed by Roman's endlessly deep pockets.  

 
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