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Todd sticking by Potter even without Europe

Jezz said:
I'm very hesitant hearing calls for Potter to be sacked already, after only 17 games in charge. The club would be a total circus if that happened.

It only happens if we slump further and start entering a relegation dogfight.

Heck, even Roman gave managers at least 40 games before making a decision one way or another.
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Tuchel was sacked after 6 games!

 
bisright1 said:
True, a part of me probably is in that third group. But I do believe we overhype the credentials of "elite" managers in this country. Potter would be getting jobs at AC Milan, juve, Atletico Madrid, PSG if he had the relative success in those leagues. 

Either way, every Chelsea fan has the same intention, let's be successful again. Some are frightened we are heading for a dark place, some are optimistic we are heading to somewhere great. Maybe I'm just forcing myself to be in that second camp 😅
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I highly disagree about the elite manager part. Only a small subgroup of coaches have won the Premier league (specifically not referring to the first division or any name changes prior to 92). There's a reason for that, you need to be one of the top coaches in the world.

The reason elite managers are sought after in this league is because of the level of competitiveness. I'm sure there's plenty of research studies that support the notion that previous success elsewhere is more indicative of future success (inside and outside of football). You may think that's pretty obvious, but, the point is certain clubs (elite) only stay elite because they demand a certain level from their coaches and players. Perhaps we've stopped demanding that from our players, one thing is for certain we stopped demanding it from our coaches under this new regime.

Roman based his coach appointing philosophy on this aforementioned notion and it led to unparalleled success. When you speak of relative success I'm not sure what you mean but Potter isn't getting the Juve, PSG or Athleti job with the 'relative success' he's had in this league if it was in those leagues. 

To put it into perspective while every team that we consider a rival is moving forward we seem to be moving backwards at a fairly quick pace.

So what do we consider elite? That's debatable, does making top 4 in the most competitive league prove you're an elite coach? Debatable, does winning a league title from one of the top 5 leagues prove you're elite? Does winning the UCL/multiple UCLs or multiple Europas prove it? Everyone has their own criteria, does Potter have the potential to be elite? Ofc anyone in theory could be. But he is not atm and we all know this, Boehly is gambling on the possibility he becomes an elite coach during his tenure.

I think I'm more in the third group, on the balance of what I've seen my mind hasn't changed from when he was initially appointed. Which was a mix of shock/disappointment for TT sacking, intrigue but also caution at Potter's appointment knowing he's an unknown entity.

 
LongtimerLurker said:
I highly disagree about the elite manager part. Only a small subgroup of coaches have won the Premier league (specifically not referring to the first division or any name changes prior to 92). There's a reason for that, you need to be one of the top coaches in the world.

The reason elite managers are sought after in this league is because of the level of competitiveness. I'm sure there's plenty of research studies that support the notion that previous success elsewhere is more indicative of future success (inside and outside of football). You may think that's pretty obvious, but, the point is certain clubs (elite) only stay elite because they demand a certain level from their coaches and players. Perhaps we've stopped demanding that from our players, one thing is for certain we stopped demanding it from our coaches under this new regime.

Roman based his coach appointing philosophy on this aforementioned notion and it led to unparalleled success. When you speak of relative success I'm not sure what you mean but Potter isn't getting the Juve, PSG or Athleti job with the 'relative success' he's had in this league if it was in those leagues. 

To put it into perspective while every team that we consider a rival is moving forward we seem to be moving backwards at a fairly quick pace.

So what do we consider elite? That's debatable, does making top 4 in the most competitive league prove you're an elite coach? Debatable, does winning a league title from one of the top 5 leagues prove you're elite? Does winning the UCL/multiple UCLs or multiple Europas prove it? Everyone has their own criteria, does Potter have the potential to be elite? Ofc anyone in theory could be. But he is not atm and we all know this, Boehly is gambling on the possibility he becomes an elite coach during his tenure.

I think I'm more in the third group, on the balance of what I've seen my mind hasn't changed from when he was initially appointed. Which was a mix of shock/disappointment for TT sacking, intrigue but also caution at Potter's appointment knowing he's an unknown entity.
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Milan have Poli, Napoli winning league with Spalotti, PSG currently have Galtier, Munich have Nagelsmann, Barca have Xavi. 

None of these managers would be considered any better than Potter if they had only managed in england and not their respective leagues. That's what I was referring to. 

 
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You cannot not compare Spalotti to Potter mate just look at their accolades, Spalotti won multiple coaches of the year in Serie A and won the Russian league.

Nagelsmann tbf is a unique appointment by Bayern you wouldn't normally expect that from them. Naagelsman differs from Potter as he had Leipzig in the ucl and took them to the quarter finals so not really the same situation. He's coached at the elite level despite his young age

Xavi completely different situation he was an accomplished player and got the Zidane, Lampard treatment by his club he won multiple UCLs with.

Galtier won cups in France and was the manager of the year during the previous season. Look I know what you're trying to say mate, but those are not the examples you want to compare with Potter. The reason being there aren't many appointments like this, why because usually elite clubs stick to known entities hereby meaning look for coaches that have coached at the elite level.

 
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