A Topic About Refs, VAR and PGMOL.

[nonotnowjim]

Cue lots of challenges in the 90+ minute to waste time.

Heard Keith Hackett talking about it this morning on Talksh*te. He recommended it as the way forward instead of having off-site VAR.

Would not waste any time - as any time would get re added on,  but it would disrupt the flow of the game. 

My challenge suggestion is detailed earlier in the thread - The added time is the only downside that I can see

 

[Ajbod]

I think every VAR decision should be 30 seconds time limit. At the end of 30 seconds if it's not blatently obvious, in which case the ref is told to go to the monitor, for HIM to decide, then it stays with the onfield refs decision.

Or it's done like rugby, and the onfield ref asks if there is any reason to change his decision, again time limited. VAR is supposed to tackle blatent mistakes.

As for offside. a toenail over the line is no advantage, if the whole foot is beyond the last defender then yes there is a slight advantage.

 

[Gordon Bennett]

I think every VAR decision should be 30 seconds time limit. 

I think that would just create even more panic at Stockley Park than we currently have. It's like a f**king chimps tea party there every time they have to make a decision as it is.

Ps. I agree with everything else you said though

 

[The Rising Sun]

Offsides should be looked at in real time , the same way the linesman has to look at it.

No stopping the video and drawing lines either. Make the call with one view only.

You know, the way it was done on the pitch for decades.

 

[The Rising Sun]

I thought the rules are “ if a goal is scored that involves a handball” it will be chalked off, how was Arsenal’s winner allowed? Was it because it was Michael Oliver or because they were under orders to try and keep Arsenal in the title race? The same with Anthony Taylor, VAR very rarely over rules him, the same today, Gallagher should have had a penalty 

It was decided that the handball in the build up wasn't deliberate.

If the goal scorer accidentally handles it it's ruled out .

If it had been us it would be ruled out.

But we've had more penalties than anyone else, ( love VAR  ) so don't expect any penalties next season 

 

[The Rising Sun]

Anyone know why MOTD are not showing the VAR lines for offside decisions this season?

 

[All Barco no bite]

Anthony Taylor removed from action this weekend after last weeks sh*t show. At what point do they either sack this moron or simply stop letting him ref Chelsea games. 
 

What are the odds on him reffing a prem game again next weekend? 

 

[dkw]

Anthony Taylor removed from action this weekend after last weeks sh*t show. At what point do they either sack this moron or simply stop letting him ref Chelsea games. 
 

What are the odds on him reffing OUR prem game again next weekend? 

Fixed it for you.

 

[Scott Harris]

Anthony Taylor removed from action this weekend after last weeks sh*t show. At what point do they either sack this moron or simply stop letting him ref Chelsea games. 
 

What are the odds on him reffing a prem game again next weekend? 

I don't think he was actually removed. He's just doing 4th official duty this weekend.

 

[Bluelion7]

Getting rid of VAR doesn't solve the problem.

Why is it that VAR has to go? why can't the PGMOL be scrapped? They have been an embarrassment to English football for a long time. They have taken what should be a simple thing and turned it into a mess. VAR hasn't ruined things, it's the refs that have done that.

This, this exactly. Referees in England are stars for some reason. I always hear about how “Webb is going to cover for them so it doesn’t look like they’re being called out.”

They are referees. The fact that everyone knows their names is problem number one. In America, being man NFL ref, for example, isn’t even really a full time job. By the people that do it, it is considered a privilege. You would NEVER have clue they supported a particular team. They get graded for performance after each game. Crews that have grades that fall below a certain level are Suspended, and then out if it continues.

The fact that teams like Chelsea can be openly targeted by certain officials, and that one one of the mildest Chelsea teams ever can set the all time season yellow card record, is insane.

I thought the referee for the West Ham game did a very good job of keeping things fair, protecting player safety, and letting the game flow. You know how I know he did a good job? Because I don’t remember his name name or even what he looked like.

VAR is just a tool. PGMOL running refs like a corrupt union is a MUCH bigger issue.

 

[dkw]

Anthony Taylor removed from action this weekend after last weeks sh*t show. At what point do they either sack this moron or simply stop letting him ref Chelsea games. 
 

What are the odds on him reffing a prem game again next weekend? 

Fixed it for you.

f**ks sake, i was right as well 

 

[Niall1905]

Blackburn player got bit by a Preston player this weekend, right infront of the linesman. Showed the ref the bite, still nothing given. 

We might get annoyed with VAR and we might hate how its used, but its easy to forget the absolute howlers that used to go unpunished before it came in. 

 

[The Rising Sun]

It'll never be perfect.

You won't find a West Ham fan who isn't convinced they should have had a penalty.

And Chelsea fans will say it was never a penalty.

Let's face it , the ref is always 100% right if he gives a dodgy decision against our opponents.

And he's spot on if he gives it in our favour.

We need to believe every ref is against us, every ref is trying to help our rivals, there's a worldwide conspiracy against us. All that would go if we got perfection in decisions .

 

[bisright1]

This, this exactly. Referees in England are stars for some reason. I always hear about how “Webb is going to cover for them so it doesn’t look like they’re being called out.”

They are referees. The fact that everyone knows their names is problem number one. In America, being man NFL ref, for example, isn’t even really a full time job. By the people that do it, it is considered a privilege. You would NEVER have clue they supported a particular team. They get graded for performance after each game. Crews that have grades that fall below a certain level are Suspended, and then out if it continues.

The fact that teams like Chelsea can be openly targeted by certain officials, and that one one of the mildest Chelsea teams ever can set the all time season yellow card record, is insane.

I thought the referee for the West Ham game did a very good job of keeping things fair, protecting player safety, and letting the game flow. You know how I know he did a good job? Because I don’t remember his name name or even what he looked like.

VAR is just a tool. PGMOL running refs like a corrupt union is a MUCH bigger issue.

VAR is part of that problem. 

We fixate on the decisions. They have to be perfect. If they aren't perfect, we talk and talk and talk about it. 

Its stupid. 

Fofana did just about enough to not foul the West Ham player. He took a risk. It came off. On another day it doesn't.

99% of "incorrect" decisions come down to that balance. If you don't want "mistakes" then don't give them the opportunity to happen, don't take risks.

And now I have to sit and watch people pore over every angle of a foul for minutes to make that call. When I'd rather we just let the guy in the middle make it and we all move on. 

 

[WhiteWall]

I posted this in the match thread, where perhaps it s more relevant here:

Mike Wedderburn on SSN. "Come back after the break as we go through a weekend of controversial refereeing decisions, including why West Ham were denied a penalty against Chelsea".

So Gibbs White being sent off for a supposed second booking, when winning the ball. Not the main talking point, no?

Nuno being sent off, along with Fabian Hurzeler in the same game in a bust up with refs. Not the main talking point, no?

Haaland throwing the ball at Gabriel's head ignored. Not the main talking point, no?

Doku kicking the ball away unpunished. Not the main talking point, no?

Trossard then sent off for kicking the ball away. Not the main talking point, no?

No, of course not, Fofana keeping a hand on Summerville whilst he ran in the box. Yeah, that's the most criminal piece of refereeing over the weekend isn't it.

 

[charierre]

It'll never be perfect.

You won't find a West Ham fan who isn't convinced they should have had a penalty.

And Chelsea fans will say it was never a penalty.

Let's face it , the ref is always 100% right if he gives a dodgy decision against our opponents.

And he's spot on if he gives it in our favour.

We need to believe every ref is against us, every ref is trying to help our rivals, there's a worldwide conspiracy against us. All that would go if we got perfection in decisions .

Personally I’d have been upset if we hadn’t been given that decision. We got away with that one, we take it and move on. Next week it may even itself up. 

 

[The Rising Sun]

Personally I’d have been upset if we hadn’t been given that decision. We got away with that one, we take it and move on. Next week it may even itself up. 

I agree. I'll take any decision that goes our way, even the ones that are wrong .

Football isn't perfect, from tactics , team selection, players making mistakes etc etc. refs decision are part of it too, especially with players diving, acting and cheating as part of the game too.

 

[The Rising Sun]

I posted this in the match thread, where perhaps it s more relevant here:

Mike Wedderburn on SSN. "Come back after the break as we go through a weekend of controversial refereeing decisions, including why West Ham were denied a penalty against Chelsea".

So Gibbs White being sent off for a supposed second booking, when winning the ball. Not the main talking point, no?

Nuno being sent off, along with Fabian Hurzeler in the same game in a bust up with refs. Not the main talking point, no?

Haaland throwing the ball at Gabriel's head ignored. Not the main talking point, no?

Doku kicking the ball away unpunished. Not the main talking point, no?

Trossard then sent off for kicking the ball away. Not the main talking point, no?

No, of course not, Fofana keeping a hand on Summerville whilst he ran in the box. Yeah, that's the most criminal piece of refereeing over the weekend isn't it.

 It makes up for the deliberate handball penalty we were denied a few years ago at their gaff.

 

[Bob stark]

Personally I’d have been upset if we hadn’t been given that decision. We got away with that one, we take it and move on. Next week it may even itself up. 

This, it wasn't 100% pen. So sticking with on field decision was correct but it was more of a pen than not. 

We just got lucky with that one. Next. 

 

[Bob stark]

VAR is part of that problem. 

We fixate on the decisions. They have to be perfect. If they aren't perfect, we talk and talk and talk about it. 

Its stupid. 

Fofana did just about enough to not foul the West Ham player. He took a risk. It came off. On another day it doesn't.

99% of "incorrect" decisions come down to that balance. If you don't want "mistakes" then don't give them the opportunity to happen, don't take risks.

And now I have to sit and watch people pore over every angle of a foul for minutes to make that call. When I'd rather we just let the guy in the middle make it and we all move on. 

VAR problem is how it is being used. The idea with VAR is to use them for 90/10 call but so many times it is used to make 50-50 decision which is not what we want. 

The funny part with VAR discussion is that most of the big discussion is irrelevant. Liverpool case was a simple mistake, a simple procedural fix, solve that. 

Newcastle goal vs arse was also ref/var decision, it is up to him, so not a big deal. 

But I saw united vs city a couple seasons ago when bruno scored 100% offside goal yet there wasn't big discussion.