Achraf Hakimi

[axman2526]

Italian clubs are so cheeky I dont know why we deal with them. 

Want our player? Full huge price or no deal.

We want your player? Loan only with buy option.

Want to buy said player? Give us a discount on the price.

Shesh.

 

[Luiz4Chelsea]

Italian clubs are so cheeky I dont know why we deal with them. 

Want our player? Full huge price or no deal.

We want your player? Loan only with buy option.

Want to buy said player? Give us a discount on the price.

Shesh.

Not sure, you're comparing 2 very specific situations now with Hakimi and Tomori. Plus, there's nothing inherently immoral or "cheeky" about any of these things.

1. Any club can demand whatever sum they like for a player with a remining contract, unless that contract includes a release clause. They might end up with a dissatisfied player and missing out on some clever business, but it's well within their right.

2. It's not necessarily cheeky to offer a club a fee lower than the agreed option to buy. The option to buy is merely an option to unilaterally buy the player at a certain price but doesn't rule out a later bilateral agreement below that price. Nothing wrong with saying "we can't / don't want to pay the full clause for xyz reason, so either you're fine with a little less or it's your player again". If the selling club comes to the conclusion that they're not gonna be able to sell the player for more than the offer they might agree. Pretty sure it's not gonna happen in Tomori's case though

 

[dansubrosa]

Italian clubs are so cheeky I dont know why we deal with them. 

Want our player? Full huge price or no deal.

We want your player? Loan only with buy option.

Want to buy said player? Give us a discount on the price.

Shesh.

Napoli want Emerson, already made an offer. Think it’s around 15m but at least we can use that to our advantage.

Inter are desperate for money too so I guess that’s that, wait until end of month and they will crumble, realising they’ve f*cked up after Emerson joined Napoli and having to accept our offer or PSG.

I think the ball is in our court on this one, just got to be patient.

 

[comtrend]

I have concerns for James play time if we stick 343 and this deal comes about.

I imagine our back 3 of dave Silva Rudiger remaining first choice so imagine signing this player would see James dropped to the bench in the majority of games.

I don't really se a problem given how many games we are going to play, while also thinking about injuries and suspensions. Both James(RWB,RCB) and Hakimi(RWB,LWB) can play in two different position as well. I don't mind paying 65m-70m for Hakimi, we can reduce that to 30m-40m by selling Emerson and Alonso, who are no longer needed.

 

[axman2526]

Napoli want Emerson, already made an offer. Think it’s around 15m but at least we can use that to our advantage.

Inter are desperate for money too so I guess that’s that, wait until end of month and they will crumble, realising they’ve f*cked up after Emerson joined Napoli and having to accept our offer or PSG.

I think the ball is in our court on this one, just got to be patient.

Huh had not seen anything about Napoli offering a transfer. Only a loan with option to buy.

 

[axman2526]

Not sure, you're comparing 2 very specific situations now with Hakimi and Tomori. Plus, there's nothing inherently immoral or "cheeky" about any of these things.

1. Any club can demand whatever sum they like for a player with a remining contract, unless that contract includes a release clause. They might end up with a dissatisfied player and missing out on some clever business, but it's well within their right.

2. It's not necessarily cheeky to offer a club a fee lower than the agreed option to buy. The option to buy is merely an option to unilaterally buy the player at a certain price but doesn't rule out a later bilateral agreement below that price. Nothing wrong with saying "we can't / don't want to pay the full clause for xyz reason, so either you're fine with a little less or it's your player again". If the selling club comes to the conclusion that they're not gonna be able to sell the player for more than the offer they might agree. Pretty sure it's not gonna happen in Tomori's case though

Maybe a better club form Italy to compare is Juve. Could only loan Cuadrado before buying him, no problem finding 80mill for Ronaldo though.

 

[Luiz4Chelsea]

Maybe a better club form Italy to compare is Juve. Could only loan Cuadrado before buying him, no problem finding 80mill for Ronaldo though.

So what, apparently we considered those loans a good deal, otherwise why did we agree on them?

Cuadrado didn't work well for us, so he went to Juve. Instead of buying him, they loaned him. On the one hand, we didn't get any money, on the other hand the player remained ours. If he had suddenly exploded we could have said "thanks for achieveing that juve, welcome back to London Cuadrado" or could have sold him on for way more money. Ultimately he was only alright, so throguh the loans and the loans we only just about got our money back.

All of that happened on our own terms though, no duress or anything.

 

[axman2526]

So what, apparently we considered those loans a good deal, otherwise why did we agree on them?

Cuadrado didn't work well for us, so he went to Juve. Instead of buying him, they loaned him. On the one hand, we didn't get any money, on the other hand the player remained ours. If he had suddenly exploded we could have said "thanks for achieveing that juve, welcome back to London Cuadrado" or could have sold him on for way more money. Ultimately he was only alright, so throguh the loans and the loans we only just about got our money back.

All of that happened on our own terms though, no duress or anything.

Never said it was under duress, just said I find the italian clubs to be a bit cheeky in the way they handle bringing players in compared to how they handle letting them going, more specifically dealing with English teams.

Just an opinion nothing more.

 

[Deino]

Never said it was under duress, just said I find the italian clubs to be a bit cheeky in the way they handle bringing players in compared to how they handle letting them going, more specifically dealing with English teams.

Just an opinion nothing more.

I agree. The Italians are cheapskates when it comes to buying but slap huge amounts on their players. Zappacosta, Pogba among others.

Inter needs cash and they will cave. The 3-way staring contest will end in a few weeks, it's just a question of will PSG find another target because Marina will for sure not let this one go.

 

[mwblue10]

Hakimi has a heck of a left foot, considering he’s right footed. I think we can spell Chilwell on the left on occasion.

Wouldnt be surprised if he was moved further up the pitch if Tuchel employs a back 4.

This guy is a hell of a player, and like @ForeverCarefree mentioned, the opportunity has presented itself and Chelsea seems to be jumping on it.

 

[axman2526]

Hakimi has a heck of a left foot, considering he’s right footed. I think we can spell Chilwell on the left on occasion.

Wouldnt be surprised if he was moved further up the pitch if Tuchel employs a back 4.

This guy is a hell of a player, and like @ForeverCarefree mentioned, the opportunity has presented itself and Chelsea seems to be jumping on it.

Guess that depends on does he prefer us to PSG? Will PSG out bid us cause they can if they want to.

 

[LongtimerLurker]

Looks nice doesn't it? We would need to sell all the deadwood though just to finance this. If Hakimi at best is £60m and we can bring Rice down to £70mish with add ons all that's left is Haaland £130-50m?? bringing us above the £220m we spent last summer on 5 new additions but this time only on 3.

 

[Night-T]

Looks nice doesn't it? We would need to sell all the deadwood though just to finance this. If Hakimi at best is £60m and we can bring Rice down to £70mish with add ons all that's left is Haaland £130-50m?? bringing us above the £220m we spent last summer on 5 new additions but this time only on 3.

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Where do I sign? 

 

[Bob stark]

Italian clubs are so cheeky I dont know why we deal with them. 

Want our player? Full huge price or no deal.

We want your player? Loan only with buy option.

Want to buy said player? Give us a discount on the price.

Shesh.

No money 

 

[Scott Harris]

Looks nice doesn't it? We would need to sell all the deadwood though just to finance this. If Hakimi at best is £60m and we can bring Rice down to £70mish with add ons all that's left is Haaland £130-50m?? bringing us above the £220m we spent last summer on 5 new additions but this time only on 3.

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I don't know, Havertz out wide and drifiting inside didn't suit him at all last season.

 

[True Blue23]

I don't know, Havertz out wide and drifiting inside didn't suit him at all last season.

The inside forward position in a 3-4-3 is different to being a winger in a 4-3-3. He played it under TT a couple times. He started there in the CL final. 

The squad depth would be impressive as well. We'd have Christensen, Azpi, Kovacic, Jorginho, Alonso, Pulisic, Werner and maybe even Ziyech, CHO, Giroud on the bench/in the stands.

 

[dkw]

Looks nice doesn't it? We would need to sell all the deadwood though just to finance this. If Hakimi at best is £60m and we can bring Rice down to £70mish with add ons all that's left is Haaland £130-50m?? bringing us above the £220m we spent last summer on 5 new additions but this time only on 3.

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Complete and utter waste of James`s talents having him as a CB.

 

[Bob stark]

Complete and utter waste of James`s talents having him as a CB.

James isn't a wb or cb, his natural position is fb but you cannot please everybody

 

[Sindre]

James isn't a wb or cb, his natural position is fb but you cannot please everybody

I think he'd shine at RCB myself.

Will also give us a lot of flexibility as he'd be able to contribute offensively as well. The RCB/LCB are allowed to push up in Tuchel's system and when we have the ball it's likely that James would be much more of a midfielder than a defender.

 

[ozboy]

Looks nice maybe on paper but it won’t happen. And Silva will play even less this season, and i expect Kante to as his body gives up. play less minutes , he’s already 30 with a game built around  running. 
 

we need midfield support and a defender. I am a huge fan of Hakimi since his time at Dortmund but not until we have the spine sorted.