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Are we THE favourites this season?

Deino said:
This team has won 1 big trophy (2 if you count the Super Cup). The boost in confidence is good but the arrogance of champions should be saved until they have a couple more trophies under their belts. 

Our team needs to remain grounded for now, they're not there yet.
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I think we can't hide the fact that we have a great squad full of talented players, we're not the underdogs anymore in any conversation. But like you say that must be controlled, we have many younger players that need to stay humble.

 
Jangz said:
i would argue majority of the team have won Europa, and a league title too. For me sometimes we give opponents too much respect. I am not suggesting being over-confident but i am talking about the arrogance that you see in champion teams that comes from a belief in their own abilities.. This team has world cup winners/Euro winners/Finalists so i would rather have them start believing aswell a little more.
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I meant it as in winning trophies together collectively. This is still a relatively new spine that is still developing, even though we know we have multiple players who've won loads of trophies with different teams. 

It's not that I don't get it, I want a team like that too. The sort of team that knows they're going to win soon as they lineup next to each other. 

I think our lads have belief in their abilities but to have that kind of swagger, we need to, as a team together, win more trophies. The worst thing this team can have is thinking they're too good before they actually reach their peak. We want C. Ronaldos not Neymars and the line between the two is very fine.

 
Not according to Betfair..... odds of winning CL pre-draw

PSG 11/4
Man City 7/2
Bayern Munich 7/1
Chelsea 17/2
Liverpool 17/2
Manchester United 14/1
Real Madrid 16/1
Juventus 20/1
Atletico Madrid 20/1
Barcelona 22/1
Dortmund 33/1
Atalanta 33/1
Inter Milan 40/1
AC Milan 50/1
Sevilla 50/1
RB Leipzig 66/1
Villarreal 80/1
A**x 90/1
Lille 100/1
Sporting Lisbon, VfL Wolfsburg, Zenit St Petersburg, Porto, Benfica 150/1
Shakhtar Donetsk 200/1
Besiktas, Red Bull Salzburg, Dynamo Kiev, Club Brugge, Young Boys, Malmo 250/1
Sheriff Tiraspol 500/1

Odds by Betfair

 
Bob stark said:
So it isn't because we won two games. So is it because we won cl last year?? 

Hmm, were we the best team who beat the crap of everyone or were we a very good team who got good draw?

If you tell me that we got the same exact route to final as last season, then I completely agree with you we should one of the two favorite in cl because I will be very confident we can at least get to another final
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It's because under Tuchel we have been a rock.  Won the CL with assured performances, and got more PL points than anyone but Pep who had a better squad whom he'd worked with for what, 5 seasons already.  Tuchel now has a better squad (than last season's), and a full preseason in addition to half a season of bedding in his system with a new squad.  I expect even more, dont you?

Because when we normally have such a successful season we rarely if ever back it up by keeping the manager, bringing in the talents they want, and not selling players they really value....but we did this time.  Kept the manager, kept them happy, kept the players they wanted to keep, and brought in their top targets.

....or ya, because we beat Palace and Arsenal......whatever makes the most sense to you..... like Athletico Madrid, Porto, and Real Madrid were walk overs indicative of an easy draw, and the real tough road was playing Borussia Mochengladbach, Borussia Dortmund, and PSG.  Somehow.

We beat very good teams, and did so in a fashion that made the other teams look a lot more ordinary than they  really are.....if you don't want to give the lads credit for that, and want to pretend the CL was served to them on a silver platter....ok, i guess.  We're all entitled to our opinions.

 
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