Bayern Munich (3) vs (0) Chelsea 08/08/20, 20:00 GMT

The third goal was classic Chelsea. Even I didn't see the danger watching. Professional players acting like school kids. We had more than enough bodies to cope but somehow contrived to allow an opposing player to walk into our 6 he box totally untracked. Who is to blame? Multiple suspects combined to make us look like a set of amateurs. Big work needed on the training ground and some players need to be let go. Some experienced heads are required in the team.
This is the point isn't it. We can get as many players as we want, and can afford, but with no concept of defensive coaching in our management we will continue to fail. The best signing we can surely hope for is for Lampard and Morris to suck it up and go and hire a world renown defensive coach.

 
The tie was lost at the Bridge, bit harsh on the reviews On here today as was always a dead rubber fixture

5 weeks until EPL starts, let’s hope we see some more signings and a new defensive unit that works ?
I think the reviews on here are not necessarily being directed at this one fixture but is being used to once again highlight a massive shortfall in this set up that has been evident since the very first Man Utd result.

 
Oh dear not this again. Is he the reason we conceded 4 goals? He was on the bench for most games this seasons & we had our worst defensive record in over 2 decades, with a few of those starters putting in the so called “defensive contributions”.

He really isn’t the problem.
True he is not the sole reason why we look shocking defensively. Just as well the focus is away from him because for a player quoted for upwards of 100m a year ago the few occasions he can be trusted to be put on the pitch, his contribution going forward has been sh!t and then gives up in tracking back immediately. Complete fraud massively overrated who will no doubt prevent a player of real talent getting through. I've said before the development squad is the proving ground not here. If you are not up and running within 3-5 appearances you are probably not going to make it, especially in a forward role. People might not like it but that is generally the way.

 
I know in the scheme of things it didn't matter last night but when did we ever have a VAR decision in our favour?

 
I know you're right.  But it just seems that in the last two games, we've had them all go against us.  And no discussion from TV of either the goals disallowed for offside yesterday or the handball outside the area last week - I know it sounds like whinging with blue specs but it still seems tough.

Last season their first goal would have been disallowed and our first allowed.  But VAR overturned both.

 
It still hurts, I did not view it as a dead rubber match .
It was the wrong setup. A case of catastrophic coaching by Lampard.

 
True he is not the sole reason why we look shocking defensively. Just as well the focus is away from him because for a player quoted for upwards of 100m a year ago the few occasions he can be trusted to be put on the pitch, his contribution going forward has been sh!t and then gives up in tracking back immediately. Complete fraud massively overrated who will no doubt prevent a player of real talent getting through. I've said before the development squad is the proving ground not here. If you are not up and running within 3-5 appearances you are probably not going to make it, especially in a forward role. People might not like it but that is generally the way.
When was CHO ever quoted as £100m? And how is 1 goal & 5 assists in 852mins not a fair return?  That translates to a contribution ever 142mins, Willian who is well overrated on this forum & heralded for his “defensive contribution” is at 162mins. You take out the pens & that drops to 217mins. Mount who “leads the press” is at 239mins per contribution, can’t even fault him because he is playing out of position. The only player better than him output wise is Pulisic who is at 132mins per contribution. Son is at 118 per contribution, Rashford is at 110 per contribution. Pedro that fans keep banging on about his defensive contribution has 1 goal & 1 assist in 8 starts (662mins). That translates to a contribution every 331mins. How Pedro was meant to help in winning a game we were chasing with that kind of contribution is something only Lamps can explain.

If you are going to compare his performance & deem him overrated, compare him to a Greenwood who is at 119mins per contribution. However bear in mind he started 12games, while Callum only started 7. Greenwood only improved his contribution when he was drafted in in place of James who is another one who is noted for “leading the press”.  And No he isn’t  meant to be in the development squad, neither is he overrated; there is a reason Bayern were desperate to have him. The whole defensive contribution argument is a narrative started by Mourinho as an excuse for not developing De Bruyne & Son, and we can all see how that turned out in the long run. It is actually easier to develop players farther up the pitch as you are less likely to punished for their mistakes.

 
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A**x comes to mind, we got all our decisions for the season in one hit  :laugh2:
Yeah and then got screwed with a ludicrous offside call to stop us winning it and finishing first in the group.

Karma didn't even wait till the game was over.

 
Yeah and then got screwed with a ludicrous offside call to stop us winning it and finishing first in the group.

Karma didn't even wait till the game was over.
That chance was gone with Barkley's penalty vs Valencia.

 
That chance was gone with Barkley's penalty vs Valencia.
Don't get me started on that. Although if we had have finished first, Atalanta would have probably scored 7 against us too. And given they gave a load of Valencia fans COVID it may have been for the best that he was selfish and took that penalty.

 
@Boyne I’ve been saving it! Good recommendation  :good2:

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Yes, it's a fine beer.

When I looked at our bench last night I forgot that one of the young players lived around the corner from me. A friend of mine and her son know the player. Would have been good experience for him if he had been able to get on the pitch for a few minutes but wasn't to be.

 
Rather surprised we played them with a back four and was that a foul on Kovacic by Muller for their second?

It certainly looked a foul from the angle I saw it on the stream though never saw it from a better angle. 

 
When was CHO ever quoted as £100m? And how is 1 goal & 5 assists in 852mins not a fair return?  That translates to a contribution ever 142mins, Willian who is well overrated on this forum & heralded for his “defensive contribution” is at 162mins. You take out the pens & that drops to 217mins. Mount who “leads the press” is at 239mins per contribution, can’t even fault him because he is playing out of position. The only player better than him output wise is Pulisic who is at 132mins per contribution. Son is at 118 per contribution, Rashford is at 110 per contribution. Pedro that fans keep banging on about his defensive contribution has 1 goal & 1 assist in 8 starts (662mins). That translates to a contribution every 331mins. How Pedro was meant to help in winning a game we were chasing with that kind of contribution is something only Lamps can explain.

If you are going to compare his performance & deem him overrated, compare him to a Greenwood who is at 119mins per contribution. However bear in mind he started 12games, while Callum only started 7. Greenwood only improved his contribution when he was drafted in in place of James who is another one who is noted for “leading the press”.  And No he isn’t  meant to be in the development squad, neither is he overrated; there is a reason Bayern were desperate to have him. The whole defensive contribution argument is a narrative started by Mourinho as an excuse for not developing De Bruyne & Son, and we can all see how that turned out in the long run. It is actually easier to develop players farther up the pitch as you are less likely to punished for their mistakes.
I don't think I compared him to anybody. I can't see that I did. The reason I didn't do that is because you can bend stats to meet your narrative. For example coming on for the last 15 minutes of a game where the opposition is already beaten and adding an assist for an extra goal in a dead game surely cannot be compared to a season's worth of full appearances in league and cup competitions. If so we'd now be saying that Tolisso is the best player Bayern have got cos if we measured his contribution in minutes he probably would have been at a goal per minute last night.

I knows those that rate CHO and those of us that don't will never agree. That's fine. I'm just still waiting to see anything from this kid.

 
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Rather surprised we played them with a back four and was that a foul on Kovacic by Muller for their second?

It certainly looked a foul from the angle I saw it on the stream though never saw it from a better angle. 
My impression was that Kovacic was caught napping, lost the ball and went over after minimal contact (if any) hoping to get a foul.  They're usually given.

 
My impression was that Kovacic was caught napping, lost the ball and went over after minimal contact (if any) hoping to get a foul.  They're usually given.
My take as well. I don't think it was a foul, but the consensus after the Liverpool game was that if you brush a player even lightly after playing the ball first, and the player then takes two steps before falling over, then a foul should be awarded. Or does that only apply at Anfield?

 
Well it is here at 1.25 and if I am right Muller does not kick the ball, just bull-dozes in knocking over Kovacic who in stumbling knocks the ball back aimlessly towards defense. I can't see Muller actually kick the ball. 

Of course only a partial view yet a foul for me. 




 
My take as well. I don't think it was a foul, but the consensus after the Liverpool game was that if you brush a player even lightly after playing the ball first, and the player then takes two steps before falling over, then a foul should be awarded. Or does that only apply at Anfield?
Oh come on, that's not fair. It's not about Anfield, it's about the colour of the shirts (Liverpool, Manure, Arse and Bayern all red). Ironic though that it was Kovacic in all those situations and every single one went against us. I'm sad to say it, but maybe he should just be more theatrical?

A lot less bothered by the result yesterday than the FA cup final. Every time our backline is confronted with world class opposition we basically start the match at 0:3. It's baffling really.

 
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