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Chelsea v Man City (PL) Sun 3rd Jan 2021 16:30 GMT

This idiot was looking to cause arguments before kick off. I think the sad muppet wanted a bit of attention.

 
Malta Blue said:
This idiot was looking to cause arguments before kick off. I think the sad muppet wanted a bit of attention.
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During the game, someone blamed Pulisic for our performances. Said "It's a coincidence we're playing this badly since he's came back" even though we lost to Everton without him. And I didn't think that post was going to be topped, worst post of the season. Then just like that, I hear Frank is now racist towards his own players? Oh stfu. Glad the mods banned him, nothing but a troll. 

 
Flicking through the post match reports today and this para caught my eye:

 It is a manager’s job to devise systems and approaches that mask any deficiencies in their squads and accentuate the strengths. He surely realised within minutes that Manchester City were pressing only one of their centre-halves in possession, targeting Silva and leaving Zouma free as he is considerably worse on the ball. He must have noticed that De Bruyne was shadowing N’Golo Kante diligently, thus shutting down Chelsea’s other passing outlet from deep. He could not possibly have failed to see that his defence and midfield was little more than a mirage and any semblance of an attack essentially boiled down to letting Timo Werner or Christian Pulisic run with the ball for 30 yards with no support whatsoever before passing the ball to no-one.

These players should not escape criticism. Edouard Mendy has to do better. Kurt Zouma and Thiago Silva, too. A coach can only really do so much. At some stage Mateo Kovacic has to be expected to have basic positional awareness and Cesar Azpilicueta must know he is 427 years old and thus should not keep inviting players into races down his flank. That is not on the manager – or at least not completely.

Manchester City thrash Chelsea 3-1: 16 Conclusions on Lampard out and.. (football365.com)

Pre-match my thoughts were, should we go defensive for this or stick to the trusted 4-3-3 this time with Werner down the middle?

Clearly the second option did not work.

 
Strider6003 said:
Flicking through the post match reports today and this para caught my eye:

 It is a manager’s job to devise systems and approaches that mask any deficiencies in their squads and accentuate the strengths. He surely realised within minutes that Manchester City were pressing only one of their centre-halves in possession, targeting Silva and leaving Zouma free as he is considerably worse on the ball. He must have noticed that De Bruyne was shadowing N’Golo Kante diligently, thus shutting down Chelsea’s other passing outlet from deep. He could not possibly have failed to see that his defence and midfield was little more than a mirage and any semblance of an attack essentially boiled down to letting Timo Werner or Christian Pulisic run with the ball for 30 yards with no support whatsoever before passing the ball to no-one.

These players should not escape criticism. Edouard Mendy has to do better. Kurt Zouma and Thiago Silva, too. A coach can only really do so much. At some stage Mateo Kovacic has to be expected to have basic positional awareness and Cesar Azpilicueta must know he is 427 years old and thus should not keep inviting players into races down his flank. That is not on the manager – or at least not completely.

Manchester City thrash Chelsea 3-1: 16 Conclusions on Lampard out and.. (football365.com)

Pre-match my thoughts were, should we go defensive for this or stick to the trusted 4-3-3 this time with Werner down the middle?

Clearly the second option did not work.
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As I have said numerous times, Frank fails to see what's going on in front of him and make tactical changes or player changes to counter the opposition as a manager he is not bold enough or experienced enough to have the balls to do it....he'd rather do nothing and hope the players try and sort it out. 

 
Slojo said:
During the game, someone blamed Pulisic for our performances. Said "It's a coincidence we're playing this badly since he's came back" even though we lost to Everton without him. And I didn't think that post was going to be topped, worst post of the season. Then just like that, I hear Frank is now racist towards his own players? Oh stfu. Glad the mods banned him, nothing but a troll. 
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Yeah I saw the comments about pulisic only being played to gain audiences in America. This is the worst spell the club has had since I joined the forum and it seems like loads of tossers have came out of the woodworks. Is this normal everytime we have a bad spell? I get emotions are running high but some of these people only seem to have a content of 20-30. So are they same people that only come on everytime we are playing sh*te or are they all new?

 
Strider6003 said:
Flicking through the post match reports today and this para caught my eye:

 It is a manager’s job to devise systems and approaches that mask any deficiencies in their squads and accentuate the strengths. He surely realised within minutes that Manchester City were pressing only one of their centre-halves in possession, targeting Silva and leaving Zouma free as he is considerably worse on the ball. He must have noticed that De Bruyne was shadowing N’Golo Kante diligently, thus shutting down Chelsea’s other passing outlet from deep. He could not possibly have failed to see that his defence and midfield was little more than a mirage and any semblance of an attack essentially boiled down to letting Timo Werner or Christian Pulisic run with the ball for 30 yards with no support whatsoever before passing the ball to no-one.

These players should not escape criticism. Edouard Mendy has to do better. Kurt Zouma and Thiago Silva, too. A coach can only really do so much. At some stage Mateo Kovacic has to be expected to have basic positional awareness and Cesar Azpilicueta must know he is 427 years old and thus should not keep inviting players into races down his flank. That is not on the manager – or at least not completely.

Manchester City thrash Chelsea 3-1: 16 Conclusions on Lampard out and.. (football365.com)

Pre-match my thoughts were, should we go defensive for this or stick to the trusted 4-3-3 this time with Werner down the middle?

Clearly the second option did not work.
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I don't agree that we should be blaming Mendy and Kovacic:

1. Mendy couldn't really do anything in 2/3 goals, the argument would be that at the first goal he could have reacted better but in the end of the day it's Gundogan acting as a striker, turning around our CB ( I think it was T.Silva) and shooting from a position from which most players should be able to score a goal, I would then blame T.Silva there instead.

2. Kovacic does have basic positional awareness, everyone that watched him for 2 seasons knows this, Lampard knew what he was getting, basic isn't good enough in this league. So it's not Kovacic's fault that he simply can't keep up with the flow of the game, it's mainly the fault of Lampard for once again putting him in the startling lineup when it hasn't been working out and when Kovacic hasn't been playing well. He started against Arsenal and we lost the midfield and the game in the first 45 minutes and the same thing basically happened against City, I don't see why would Lampard expect anything else to happen other than just a repeated history episode.
Lampard expects to forcefully make him have a good form, that didn't happen with Werner and Mount so why should it happen with Kovacic?
My counter-argument would be then, if Lampard was fine with starting Ziyech and taking a slight risk since he was throwing him into the fire after he hasn't played for a long time, why couldn't he take a smaller risk and start Gilmour instead of Kovacic that has already showed that he can do a decent job with the ball this season.

For the rest, I can totally see that it's not Lampard's fault that T.Silva had a poor game, Zouma and Azpilicueta as well.

 
Malta Blue said:
Yeah I saw the comments about pulisic only being played to gain audiences in America. This is the worst spell the club has had since I joined the forum and it seems like loads of tossers have came out of the woodworks. Is this normal everytime we have a bad spell? I get emotions are running high but some of these people only seem to have a content of 20-30. So are they same people that only come on everytime we are playing sh*te or are they all new?
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Absolutely and this happened on both ends. When we were winning X matches in a row, many of these people were hailing Frank as the second coming of Christ.
Now they are acting as if Frank's dismissal is the only thing stopping us from winning a treble.

 
Gol15 said:
I don't agree that we should be blaming Mendy and Kovacic:

1. Mendy couldn't really do anything in 2/3 goals, the argument would be that at the first goal he could have reacted better but in the end of the day it's Gundogan acting as a striker, turning around our CB ( I think it was T.Silva) and shooting from a position from which most players should be able to score a goal, I would then blame T.Silva there instead.

2. Kovacic does have basic positional awareness, everyone that watched him for 2 seasons knows this, Lampard knew what he was getting, basic isn't good enough in this league. So it's not Kovacic's fault that he simply can't keep up with the flow of the game, it's mainly the fault of Lampard for once again putting him in the startling lineup when it hasn't been working out and when Kovacic hasn't been playing well. He started against Arsenal and we lost the midfield and the game in the first 45 minutes and the same thing basically happened against City, I don't see why would Lampard expect anything else to happen other than just a repeated history episode.
Lampard expects to forcefully make him have a good form, that didn't happen with Werner and Mount so why should it happen with Kovacic?
My counter-argument would be then, if Lampard was fine with starting Ziyech and taking a slight risk since he was throwing him into the fire after he hasn't played for a long time, why couldn't he take a smaller risk and start Gilmour instead of Kovacic that has already showed that he can do a decent job with the ball this season.

For the rest, I can totally see that it's not Lampard's fault that T.Silva had a poor game, Zouma and Azpilicueta as well.
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Gilmour defensively is as slow as Jorginho, I don't think he will make us stronger.

I haven't seen him playing through balls to the forwards either, are we grabbing at straws with Gilmour?

 
Slojo said:
Glad this moron was banned now, what a f**king stupid thing to come out with. 
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He’s the only person I’ve ever bothered to put on ignore which says a lot about the prick. Liked to throw ‘racism’ around in an attempt to win arguments with random people on the internet over nothing, completely devaluing actual racism in the process and showing what a absolute knobhead he really was.

 
Malta Blue said:
Yeah I saw the comments about pulisic only being played to gain audiences in America. This is the worst spell the club has had since I joined the forum and it seems like loads of tossers have came out of the woodworks. Is this normal everytime we have a bad spell? I get emotions are running high but some of these people only seem to have a content of 20-30. So are they same people that only come on everytime we are playing sh*te or are they all new?
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Yeah, some trolls come out of their caves when we are down to shout "Frank/Sarri/Conte or whoever out!" and get the f**k back to the sewers when things work out. Some are maybe other teams' trolls, but some have been here for a while and have been banned before (like that bloke driller97 who, I believe, was banned already once under the name of snoopy or something like that).

 
Strider6003 said:
Gilmour defensively is as slow as Jorginho, I don't think he will make us stronger.

I haven't seen him playing through balls to the forwards either, are we grabbing at straws with Gilmour?
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Could be.

 
SuperLamp said:
Absolutely and this happened on both ends. When we were winning X matches in a row, many of these people were hailing Frank as the second coming of Christ.
Now they are acting as if Frank's dismissal is the only thing stopping us from winning a treble.
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Keeps the entertainment levels up though I suppose

 
RMH said:
Yeah, some trolls come out of their caves when we are down to shout "Frank/Sarri/Conte or whoever out!" and get the f**k back to the sewers when things work out. Some are maybe other teams' trolls, but some have been here for a while and have been banned before (like that bloke driller97 who, I believe, was banned already once under the name of snoopy or something like that).
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So look out for him next week under the name of I am a cock or something similar ?

 
Munkworth said:
He’s the only person I’ve ever bothered to put on ignore which says a lot about the prick. Liked to throw ‘racism’ around in an attempt to win arguments with random people on the internet over nothing, completely devaluing actual racism in the process and showing what a absolute knobhead he really was.
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I'm hoping to be number 2 on your ignore list then, I'm a bit disappointed in myself for not getting there first though ?

 
Malta Blue said:
I'm hoping to be number 2 on your ignore list then, I'm a bit disappointed in myself for not getting there first though ?
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I have a duty to the good (c**ts) people of Portsmouth to keep an eye on all dodgy scummers...

 
Munkworth said:
I have a duty to the good (c**ts) people of Portsmouth to keep an eye on all dodgy scummers...
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The sacrifices you make for your people 

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