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David Luiz back at Chelsea

chi blue said:
Totally agree, what the fxck is with all this Luiz love in, Luiz is old news and Frank wants to move in a direction with young players, which many have said they want, so moving him on is no issue, couldn't give two shxts him going to Arsenal, infact it might be fun watching.
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Same here.

A lot of accusations being made that , somehow, Luiz engineered this move. A far more likely scenario is Frank has told him first team opportunities will be limited this season and he could move on if he wanted to. Luiz, being a footballer who , well, likes playing football, saw his only chance was a move away. His family are settled in London so his choices were limited. Added to this, at the end of the day it is Marina who is selling him to a rival.

It’s odd how we expect footballers to be different than any other professions. If anyone here was told their chances of career progression in the company they work for were limited and they had ambition, they would move away and wouldn’t go a smaller company if one of the same size and stature offered them a job.

 
If there's one thing we have learned, it is that the club nor players have much loyalty these days. Not just at this club, but across Europe. 

 
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IndianaBlue85 said:
Cech to Arsenal when they were in desperate need of goalkeeper and this would be another. I guess your fine with strengthening our rivals while we can’t sign anyone? Oh ya and Mata and Matic have strengthened United I’d much rather we sell abroad than domestically. Plus the sale of Matic was forced because the club wanted Baka as his new young replacement and we have seen how well that worked out.

Also selling a young Sturridge to liverpool wasn’t a great idea considering he has a few great years there. 
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Did agent Cech really strengthen them though? If anything he cost them more points than gained! 

Of course given the choice I would sell these players abroad to a non-english side, but given that the VAST majority of the time we do sell players to rivals, they are way past it and over the hill. I cant think of a single player we sold directly to a rival that turned out to be amazing and made me regret it. Players like KDB and Salah dont count as they are initially sold abroad.

Either way, Luiz for 8m is definitely a bad move imo, even if he plays 80% of his games terribly, that 20% where he plays well in a big game would be worth that tiny fee.

 
coco said:
Why all the Luiz hate ? triple European titles with the club, 32yo wants to play football, good on him, Frank did exactly the same thing when he went to city.
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I wouldn't say I have hate for Luiz, but 'calling in sick' for training to force a move through to Arsenal, the day before the transfer window closes, and 4 days before we play our first game isn't the way to do things (for me). 

If he wasn't willing to stay and fight for a place like everyone else, then I think he should have made this clear months ago, and we could have made arrangements to suit. 

Of course we don't know all the ins and outs, but he does appear to be turning his back on the club at the first sign that he isn't first choice. 

For me, the bit that annoys me is that one of the few positives of the transfer ban was the lack of drama, and the lack of uncertainty over who would be in the squad come the first home game of the season. I like the fact that we were quietly going about our business in training, with everyone knowing they had a fair shot at impressing the Manager, getting in the team on merit, with no risk of a last minute transfer to come in and blow everything out the water.

Luiz has taken a piss on that bonfire. He has caused a drama, and seemingly done whatever it took to force through a move. I don't like that, and I will judge him for that. Always liked him to be honest, so it's a sad way to go out. 

Anyway, I like the way it has been handled by Lampard and the club; if he isn't with us then get rid. 

 
coco said:
Why all the Luiz hate ? triple European titles with the club, 32yo wants to play football, good on him, Frank did exactly the same thing when he went to city.
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I don't hate on Luiz for being the type of person that he is, he believes that he should be in the first plans and a secure starting player and he is ready to change the club for that and that's it.

For example Cech wanted to stay in London and our club wanted to please his needs thus the Arsenal transfer was done very fast, David Luiz has some restaurant in London from what I know so he probably also wants to stay in London.

I just think that David Luiz isn't as a good as a defender, he won't solve much of Arsenal's problems so to miss out another Champions League season just so that he plays more games sounds like a very stupid decision for me but maybe I'm missing something.

 
On the plus side at least Arsenal TV will be more entertaining than it already was.. :laugh2:

 
I’m not too bothored from a football point on view, as with Frank he’d be my 4th choice CB in a back four, but he’s a big character and I’ll miss having him around. I can understand him wanting to stay in the same city, so I’ve no problem with him going to Arsenal.

So... I guess I’m mildly disappointed but not overly concerned.

 
ENygma said:
Did agent Cech really strengthen them though? If anything he cost them more points than gained! 

Of course given the choice I would sell these players abroad to a non-english side, but given that the VAST majority of the time we do sell players to rivals, they are way past it and over the hill. I cant think of a single player we sold directly to a rival that turned out to be amazing and made me regret it. Players like KDB and Salah dont count as they are initially sold abroad.

Either way, Luiz for 8m is definitely a bad move imo, even if he plays 80% of his games terribly, that 20% where he plays well in a big game would be worth that tiny fee.
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Arsenal won't be winning major trophies so it's all relative.

There's a massive mentality problem at that club and Luiz and Pepe are the latest in the long line of faux saviour's.

 
Crem said:
Same here.

A lot of accusations being made that , somehow, Luiz engineered this move. A far more likely scenario is Frank has told him first team opportunities will be limited this season and he could move on if he wanted to. Luiz, being a footballer who , well, likes playing football, saw his only chance was a move away. His family are settled in London so his choices were limited. Added to this, at the end of the day it is Marina who is selling him to a rival.

It’s odd how we expect footballers to be different than any other professions. If anyone here was told their chances of career progression in the company they work for were limited and they had ambition, they would move away and wouldn’t go a smaller company if one of the same size and stature offered them a job.
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Spot on

 
coco said:
Why all the Luiz hate ? triple European titles with the club, 32yo wants to play football, good on him, Frank did exactly the same thing when he went to city.
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Frank wasn't given a new contract. His move wasn't considerate of the fans he  wasn't wanted here anymore so decided to do what was best for him. He didn't sign a new contract before the summer and then decided to leave the club a day before the Window closes.

Also we didn't have a transfer ban that Session.

 
The man won 2 Premier Leagues and 3 European trophies playing with us. He´s a part of our history whether anybody likes it or not. Did anyone seriously think he was some sort of Chelsea lifer at any point in time? The man likes to live free and smile and I don´t see a good argument as to why hold this against him. 

He doesn´t significantly improve Arsenal so why be mad at us selling to them? If anything he will be a liability there. 

Give the man the respect he deserves for the years he logged in for us and don´t expect every single player to have the same passion for the club as a JT or Frank had. 

Or keep on bickering, whichever way you like it.

 
I really hope I am proven wrong with Luiz leaving. Hope our defending improves and we make less errors. Hope we still can play the football Frank wants.

 
True Blue23 said:
Frank wasn't given a new contract. His move wasn't considerate of the fans he  wasn't wanted here anymore so decided to do what was best for him. He didn't sign a new contract before the summer and then decided to leave the club a day before the Window closes.

Also we didn't have a transfer ban that Session.
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All of which are just excuses to hate on him, with little to no regard to his achievements with the club.

 
Crem said:
Same here.

A lot of accusations being made that , somehow, Luiz engineered this move. A far more likely scenario is Frank has told him first team opportunities will be limited this season and he could move on if he wanted to. Luiz, being a footballer who , well, likes playing football, saw his only chance was a move away. His family are settled in London so his choices were limited. Added to this, at the end of the day it is Marina who is selling him to a rival.

It’s odd how we expect footballers to be different than any other professions. If anyone here was told their chances of career progression in the company they work for were limited and they had ambition, they would move away and wouldn’t go a smaller company if one of the same size and stature offered them a job.
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Exactly. Some people are colouring in the blanks and then blame players for the things they themselves have dreamed up. Players are employers, don't look at them and their choices from a fan's point of view. Most players will make the same choices we do in our jobs.

 
I think what has got fans riled up is not the fact that Luiz is looking to leave but the timing of the whole episode and to further rub salt in the wound that he is going to a direct rival who are currently undergoing a defensive crisis of sorts.

Anyone thinking that Luiz doesnt strengthen Arsenal is kidding themselves, last season Arsenal experimented with playing 3 at the back and had some degree of success and now with Luiz they've pretty much got the ideal CB to adopt the system. They have a front 3 who are amongst the best in the league and now a ball playing CB who is the best in the league when it comes to switching play, considering Arsenal's front 3 that will be a huge weapon.

I understand Luiz is past his prime and no way can the current version of Luiz play a major role in a title winning team however we are going to be competing with Arsenal for the 4th spot and not the league and I think Luiz could potentially help Arsenal secure top 4.

 
dkw said:
Frank left as his contract ran down, and also didnt shaft us when we had a transfer ban meaning we are left with a problem in his position.
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Still no need for some of the hatred aimed at him mate, never forget the night he was on his knees in the middle of Germany, King of the World.

 
Crem said:
Same here.

A lot of accusations being made that , somehow, Luiz engineered this move. A far more likely scenario is Frank has told him first team opportunities will be limited this season and he could move on if he wanted to. Luiz, being a footballer who , well, likes playing football, saw his only chance was a move away. His family are settled in London so his choices were limited. Added to this, at the end of the day it is Marina who is selling him to a rival.

It’s odd how we expect footballers to be different than any other professions. If anyone here was told their chances of career progression in the company they work for were limited and they had ambition, they would move away and wouldn’t go a smaller company if one of the same size and stature offered them a job.
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I wopuld be amazed if Frank is happy to lose a senior player from the squad with no chance of replacing him.

 
coco said:
Still no need for some of the hatred aimed at him mate, never forget the night he was on his knees in the middle of Germany, King of the World.
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I agree some of the hatred is over the top, just dont think you can equate this to the way Lampard left really. 

 
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