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Emanalo The Problem

Uxanga said:
Do you realise that most of other club's fans are envious of our transfer business. It's one of the best qualities of CFC.

Yes, Salah and Cuadrado were a failure, but there was no chance for them to succeed since we almost played with the same players (and we did wonder why they looked so tired, but that's a different story I guess.)
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Dunno why they would be envious; we sold mata, de bruyne and lukaku, all of whom could have still been here now, and would have been very useful. We sold luiz for 50 million but that was probably the only real bit of good business we did. However, we wasted the luiz money on cack, even the costa and fabregas buys are looking dubious now with the way they're underperforming.

 
Gilvorak said:
Blame the guy that signed Lukaku, Hazard, De Bruyne, Courtois, Azpilicueta because of Mourinho's incompetency.

With Eva and Emenalo gone we're quickly running out of scapegoats.
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Yeah cause it's that f**king simple isn't it? Honest getting fed up of these idiots who only look at the half of the picture that they want to see.Conveniently forgets people like Marin, Caudadro, Salah etc

 
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enigma said:
Dunno why they would be envious; we sold mata, de bruyne and lukaku, all of whom could have still been here now, and would have been very useful. We sold luiz for 50 million but that was probably the only real bit of good business we did. However, we wasted the luiz money on cack, even the costa and fabregas buys are looking dubious now with the way they're underperforming.
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To be frank and I am glad, Mata has been mostly underwhelming at United. He has his qualities but we struggle to break down parked teams and I do not see Mata helping with that. Same goes for Lukaku who is excellent at counterattacking but pretty much useless apart from that. We get hardly 1-2 good counterattacking chances right now. KDB would be the one who looks like he got away. Again, I will put that down to his attitude as he wanted consistent playing time as a 20 year old without putting his head down and working for it. 

 
What does Emenalo have to do with the fact that virtually the same squad that won the league six months ago looks completely f**ked now?

I don't know what  his job at the club entails but I'm fairly sure it doesn't involve training players and motivating the squad. Stop looking for scapegoats, we all know whose fault that is.

 
ForeverCarefree said:
We played the same players because the likes of Salah and Cuadrado weren't good enough.
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Well, there was a time when the same was true (at least according to Jose) for Robben. 

It's a very one sided perspective if we only view the situation from Jose's point of view.

Salah has 6 goals in 16 for Fiorentina and 6 goals in 10 for Roma. He can't be that bad, that he couldn't get a real chance. 

 
abramovich said:
What does Emenalo have to do with the fact that virtually the same squad that won the league six months ago looks completely f**ked now?

I don't know what his job at the club entails but I'm fairly sure it doesn't involve training players and motivating the squad. Stop looking for scapegoats, we all know whose fault that is.
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To answer your question directly he failed to deliver anyone on the shopping list... If we belive was we hear, but the truth is we don't really know that or his job. Also your right that even failing to deliver the list should not have resulted in this

 
PythonLu said:
Let me answer with a question: Who wouldn't want Vidal and Costa? Especially given our lack of depth in the areas they cover.

Emenalo is a scout isn't he? He is supposed to know when top players are available and not let Bayern - formerly our competitors - get them.
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Believe it or not, but even though they are good players, they might not be the players the manager wants or the club doesn't think they are players that the club needs. And even if they had been players that Mourinho wanted, surely he could've said so. I'm sure he doesn't need to wait for the scouts to recommend him players before he can ask the club to get them. None of us here know what exactly happens "behind closed doors" at the club, so in most cases it's pure speculation to say it was a certain person's fault that Chelsea didn't sign some player. Emenalo oversees the scouting and academy, but as far as I know, he doesn't negotiate the transfers and doesn't sign players. Most of us here have very little real information on what exactly the club has done during the transfer window anyway, so people can only speculate who made mistakes and what kind of mistakes. And there's always more than one dancer taking part in the transfer window jig, so even if a club wants a player, the player might not want to join that club or already has agreed a move when another club makes an inquiry. Or the selling club doesn't want to sell to a certain club... There's so many things that COULD have happened, it's not fair to blame someone unless you absolutely KNOW they were to blame.

 
Maksimov said:
Believe it or not, but even though they are good players, they might not be the players the manager wants or the club doesn't think they are players that the club needs. And even if they had been players that Mourinho wanted, surely he could've said so. I'm sure he doesn't need to wait for the scouts to recommend him players before he can ask the club to get them. None of us here know what exactly happens "behind closed doors" at the club, so in most cases it's pure speculation to say it was a certain person's fault that Chelsea didn't sign some player. Emenalo oversees the scouting and academy, but as far as I know, he doesn't negotiate the transfers and doesn't sign players. Most of us here have very little real information on what exactly the club has done during the transfer window anyway, so people can only speculate who made mistakes and what kind of mistakes. And there's always more than one dancer taking part in the transfer window jig, so even if a club wants a player, the player might not want to join that club or already has agreed a move when another club makes an inquiry. Or the selling club doesn't want to sell to a certain club... There's so many things that COULD have happened, it's not fair to blame someone unless you absolutely KNOW they were to blame.
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Excellent post Maksimov

 
abramovich said:
What does Emenalo have to do with the fact that virtually the same squad that won the league six months ago looks completely f**ked now?

I don't know what  his job at the club entails but I'm fairly sure it doesn't involve training players and motivating the squad. Stop looking for scapegoats, we all know whose fault that is.
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If Emanalo is the one in charge of signings then the squad that won the league six months ago is the squad Jose knew needed two or three players, two or three players of his choosing and not just decent players shipped in to bolster the squad.

I think Jose made the board aware of his ideal targets and didn't get them, obviously this is my opinion and I can't back it up with any proof but that's like most opinions on the ins and outs here, If Jose didn't get the players he wanted but Emanalo brought in players anyway then instead of Jose being slated for virtually the same squad looking completely f**ked now that won the league six months ago, perhaps he should instead be praised for getting them over the line and making them champions now we see how f**ked they really were.

There are always two ways to look at these things and the truth likely lie somewhere in between but if I had to bet on the theory that is most likely nearest reality I'd stick with my own.

 
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Chippy said:
If Emanalo is the one in charge of signings then the squad that won the league six months ago is the squad Jose knew needed two or three players, two or three players of his choosing and not just decent players shipped in to bolster the squad.

I think Jose made the board aware of his ideal targets and didn't get them, obviously this is my opinion and I can't back it up with any proof but that's like most opinions on the ins and outs here, If Jose didn't get the players he wanted but Emanalo brought in players anyway then instead of Jose being slated for virtually the same squad looking completely f**ked now that won the league six months ago, perhaps he should instead be praised for getting them over the line and making them champions now we see how f**ked they really were.

There are always two ways to look at these things and the truth likely lie somewhere in between but if I had to bet on the theory that is most likely nearest reality I'd stick with my own.
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To be honest, we didn't look very convincing last spring and it was there for everyone to see, particularly Emenalo. Shouldn't he be the first to come to the realisation that we need to improve the squad?

 
If it's Emenalo's job to oversee player recruitment and to work with the manager to strengthen the squad - in accordance with the manager's needs - then something went wrong over the Summer. Because Jose was strongly rumoured to be unhappy with the lack of and quality of recruitment. And this is reflected in results this season.

In this case, Emenalo should be sacked because he screwed up and is likely to cost the club a lot of money in lost Champions League revenue and inflated future transfer fees. This could well run into hundreds of millions of pounds.

OTOH it might be Emenalo/the Board's position that the squad was good enough for another season and the manager should be using this as an opportunity to bring on some younger players. If so, this hasn't worked out either as the team has imploded and the manager clearly has no confidence in using the academy kids. 

So either Emenalo didn't fulfill the manager's demands, screwed up badly and so should be sacked. Or he made a judgement call over the manager's head on what the squad should be this season which has turned out to be a huge mistake and so should be sacked.

I can't think of a scenario in which Emenalo can keep his job. The last transfer window was a clusterf**k and it's only down to one man as far as I can see.

 
PedroMendez said:
Emenalo has been at Chelsea since 2007 having had chief scout and assistant first team coach roles but its his time as Technical Director I want to focus on, he was appointed in this position in July 2011. So lets look at the transfers that have occurred during this period. I won't be including loans or free transfers in this process. I will also be excluding the players signed in during the latest transfer window as we can't be sure of how useful or not the players will be.

Players in 2011/2012 season; Juan Mata (£19m), Lukaku(£15m), Raul Meireles(£9.45m), Courtois(£6,27m), Cahill(£5.8m), KDB(£5.6m), Piazon(£5m), Romeu(£3m), Davilla(£1m), Bamford(£1m) 

Don't see any dudd transfers here. Courtois for just over £6m is frankly ridiculous, Mata was a great signing and we made a substantial profit, where as KDB and Lukaku were very good money turners, Meireles did a job and Cahill has also been a great servant to the club. Bamford looks a good investment at £1m as well.

Players out; the only ones of note Zhirkov(£10.5m) Matic at (£3.5m) and Jack Cork for peanuts

Matic is the only real blunder but I'd say the decision as to whether a player should be moved on is more the managers.

2012/2013 season Players in,   Eden Hazard (£28m), Oscar (£17,5m), Moses (£8m), Azpilicueta (£6m), Ba(£5.6m), Marin(£5.6m), Wallace(£3.78m) Thorgan Hazard(£0.35m)  

Some more very good signings Azpi at £6m was another absolutely brilliant find. T Hazard was also a massive monetary gain.

A couple of potential dudds in Marin and Wallace but at a combined £9m and very little if any wages actually spent it really wasn't that bad an investment and we are very likely to make money on Wallace.

Players Out; Sturridge(£10.5m), Meireles (£7m)

Sturridge was a seemingly bad sale, but for a player who wanted to leave, a doubling of the money we spent along with his severe injury problems in all fairness it wasn't to bad and recouping most of the money spent on Meireles was another good bit of business.

2013/2014 Players in; Willian(£24.85m), Matic (£17,5m), Schurrle(£15.4m), Salah(£11.5m) , Zouma(£10.22m) , MvG(£6.5m), Atsu(£2.1m), Perica(£1.7m), Cuevas(£1.33m)

Here we have another good set of signings in my eyes Willian has been our best player this season and is proving that he was well worth his high transfer fee, also the ability to admit we wrongly let Matic go and to bring him back was again another good bit of business. Zouma again looks like an inspired signing and there has been 1 in the last 3 seasons. MvG looks like a potentially quality Cm and at £6.5m that should be considered a good signing and potential gem. This was however a season in which we signed a few dudds  

Salah who has been massively criticised as a horrible signing despite making money for the club when you consider his loan fees and that we have agreed a future fee with Roma so on the whole it wasn't a bad signing. However Atsu, Perica and Cuevas looks set to contribute nothing to the side but at 5m for the 3 that looks set to be an overall profit but at worse a minimal loss.

Players out; Mata (£31.31m), KdB(£15.4m), Bruma(£2.45m)

Another reason our transfer policy has received a lot of stick recently is the letting good or potntially good players leave and Mata and KDB have been at the forefront of this, I'm not going to comment on whether the decision to let them go was right or not but in a monetary sense we made a lot of money on both and highlights how good they were as signings in the first place which should be a plus point towards Emenalo.

2014/2015 season Players in; Costa(£26.6m), Fabregas(£23.1m), Cuadrado(£21.7m), Falipe Luis(£14m), Remy(£9.24m), Pasalic (£1.75m)

Mourinho has been hailed for the majority of these signings, in our title winning season Costa and Fabregas looked to be the exact players the squad needed and the club were rightly praised for making these signings so efficiently.

However through Cuadrado and somehow Luis, Emenalo has been given some stick and admittedly Cuadrado is likely to be our first significant monetary loss during Emenalo's tenure, from a signing seeming rushed and over priced, a hasty replacement to the established but mainly bench warming Andre Schurrle, who's sale had been agreed in a last minute deal.

This transfer seemed so out of place and out of character for what has been a very successful transfer policy during Emenalo reign as technical director and this transfer received further scrutiny due to the perceived previous failing of signing wingers who just weren't quite good enough to challenge the first team despite being very talented. 

Luis came and went for minimal money and minimal game time and this very good LB has been regarded a flop by some as he couldn't make an impact in a very grounded and achieving squad.  

Players out; David Luis (£34.65m), Lukaku(£24.75m), Schurrle(£22.4m), Bertrand(£9.34m), Ba(£4.2m), Torres(£2.1m) Van Aanholt(£1.4m)  

Another few huge profits in this section and finally getting Torres of the books the only negative I see here is Bertrand who could have done the same job as Luis and count as home grown.

Transfer values and amounts from transfermarkt. 
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I look at this and all I see are good business deals from a club that does not have a huge stadium try to stay financially viable. How can anyone look at this and want Emanalo out. It is true that we did miss out on a few players but which team in the history of football has always gotten the players they wanted at a reasonable price ?

Also Salah, Cuadrado, Schrulle, Luis are all doing well in their current leagues - So how can anyone say they are bad buys ? Also, How can anyone look at our squad and say we are not good enough ? We have a squad that can easily take up to top 4 but we are playing some turgid football and that fault can not fall on the TDC. 

The manager is the most logical one to blame as it is his responsibility to have the squad ready. And if people are going to ask what the manager can do if the squad is not inspired then that same excuse should hold true for the technical director position too. 

 
Also do people understand that we are going to spending shed loads of cash on building a new stadium and that is really going to make funds hard to find? Spending on Pogba, Vidal, Douglas Costa etc is going to be a pricey deal and in case we look at our transfer deals so far - we have tightened the purse. Pedro who was an expensive buy was a panic response to our season but that is as high as we can go probably given our constraints. 

 
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