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Enzo M in or out? (Sep 25)

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It is however more a symptom of what a well run structure can bring.

Palace are like Bournemouth and Brighton. The underlying structure is so good it doesn't matter who the manager is, who gets sold, they still punch above their weight.

Maresca might be the problem, but there's definitely other factors at play.
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So why did the previous 2 managers at Palace not called Roy Hodgson do so badly in comparison to Glasner? One did so bad that they had to drag Hodgson out of retirement to save them from relegation, Ive no idea where you can pull a statement like that from.

 
The board have given Enzo two coloured pens; a blue and a green and are telling him to draw a sun!

 
On the fence for me, for the reasons that @axman2526 eloquently explained. It doesn't matter who is in the dugout as long as Winstanley and Stewart are still here. Nearly 4 years in and they are yet to make a single positive transfer contribution, other than bringing in Joe Shields and outbidding for blindingly obvious targets. There is no strategy for the squad and Cobham is being left to rot as well, everything is scarily like Bartomeu's running of Barcelona.

On Maresca himself - I think he has the potential to be a good coach but I am outright concerned he doesn't have the humility to want to change. He knows the problems in the squad, he knows the football is slow and stagnant but I think he genuinely believes he is right and everyone else is wrong. It's now to the extent he blames everything - the players, the squad building, the niche roles of players, the refs, the red cards, the weather - but himself for a malaise. He carries on like Conte or Mourinho when it all goes wrong, without the history of success to show for it, and I think managers like that are outdated and outclassed in the modern game.
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What’s more infuriating is that bar Pedro, I can’t think of any player they’ve signed in those 3 years that genuinely improved the starting XI.

  • Olise they fumbled in catastrophic fashion when we were the only club after him at the time.
  • Simons was for optics while they prioritized their real target in Garnacho.
  • Maignan, like Olise, was there for the taking but couldn’t agree on a f**king £5m disparity.
  • Kudus was available but they prioritized the £60m on an even more brainless version of Mudryk in Gittens.
I’m likely forgetting loads more.

 
The board have given Enzo two coloured pens; a blue and a green and are telling him to draw a sun!
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Sure but then he goes on and draws a crescent moon and tries to pose it as an eclipsed sun for everyone else! Just draw a damn circle with some lines around it, no need to overcomplicate stuff!

 
What’s more infuriating is that bar Pedro, I can’t think of any player they’ve signed in those 3 years that genuinely improved the starting XI.

  • Olise they fumbled in catastrophic fashion when we were the only club after him at the time.
  • Simons was for optics while they prioritized their real target in Garnacho.
  • Maignan, like Olise, was there for the taking but couldn’t agree on a f**king £5m disparity.
  • Kudus was available but they prioritized the £60m on an even more brainless version of Mudryk in Gittens.
I’m likely forgetting loads more.
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Which of the Pedros? Certainly not the one with 1 solitary contribution in 6 PL games this season.

 
I agree with you on the board and SDs, who first and foremost interest in Chelsea is to make money, not to win. But, I also think that, with a proper coach, this team could get top 4 and have a decent run in the CL and domestic Cups. Both things are not exclusive. As things stand, with Maresca we won't get top 4 and I don't see us getting through the league stage in Europe or beating Wolves in the league Cup.

The key is who the SDs would target as a coach, they've got to be on low wages and be content to work with what they give him, no matter how unbalanced the squad is. And there's the problem.
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If I thought we would replace maresca with a proper coach I would be all for him getting the boot mate. I just don't believe they would target such a coach.

 
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So why did the previous 2 managers at Palace not called Roy Hodgson do so badly in comparison to Glasner? One did so bad that they had to drag Hodgson out of retirement to save them from relegation, Ive no idea where you can pull a statement like that from.
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I might have been a bit quick to include Palace in that list, however they did have success under Hodgson and Viera despite then crumbling.

I really like Glasner, I thought he was an incredible appointment for them at the time. I'm just always wary of pinching managers from mid table clubs doing well.

 
And maybe someone marking the back post...
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This

Everytime we concede a set piece there’s nearly always a spare man for the opposition.

The way Maresca sets us up to mark at set pieces is amateurish.

In what world should 4 men go for the same ball and leave an overload at the far post like we did against Brentford for their last minute goal.

 
This

Everytime we concede a set piece there’s nearly always a spare man for the opposition.

The way Maresca sets us up to mark at set pieces is amateurish.

In what world should 4 men go for the same ball and leave an overload at the far post like we did against Brentford for their last minute goal.
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Again. Lot of people brushing off just how import Colwill was.

This was hardly an issue when Colwill was in the side. We lost the only constant and the only vocal leader in defence. He was the one organizing the back line. Tosin, Fofana and Chalobah can’t do what Colwill did.

 
Sure but then he goes on and draws a crescent moon and tries to pose it as an eclipsed sun for everyone else! Just draw a damn circle with some lines around it, no need to overcomplicate stuff!
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This is my favourite post in a long time 😆

 
Again. Lot of people brushing off just how import Colwill was.

This was hardly an issue when Colwill was in the side. We lost the only constant and the only vocal leader in defence. He was the one organizing the back line. Tosin, Fofana and Chalobah can’t do what Colwill did.
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And therein is the recruitment problem. Did our defence become a joke when JT was out? Nope, that entire back line were leaders and organizers.

 
And therein is the recruitment problem. Did our defence become a joke when JT was out? Nope, that entire back line were leaders and organizers.
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Yup. Even with Colwill fit, Chalobah is the most experienced CB in the team.

Love the lad but that’s a big, big problem.

 
Yup. Even with Colwill fit, Chalobah is the most experienced CB in the team.

Love the lad but that’s a big, big problem.
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Aye why recruit players maresca clearly needs when you can sign garnacho who he won't play?

 
Aye why recruit players maresca clearly needs when you can sign garnacho who he won't play?
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Maresca isn’t off the hook either.

He co-signed the Gittens signing and won’t play him either.

 
Only worry about Glasner is that 3 atb seems to work much better when playing on the counter as a smaller side, rather than as a larger side trying to dominate.

Just look at Man Utd, against the other big teams under Amorim they usually do alright (dominated Arsenal in the 1st game this season), yet in the games they're supposed to win they look terrible.

 
Gallardo! Is it that a suggestion to get the best out of Fernandez and Garnacho?
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I might have been a bit quick to include Palace in that list, however they did have success under Hodgson and Viera despite then crumbling.

I really like Glasner, I thought he was an incredible appointment for them at the time. I'm just always wary of pinching managers from mid table clubs doing well.
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No argument here with the bit in bold, its a completely different role at a club like Chelsea.

 
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Maresca isn’t off the hook either.

He co-signed the Gittens signing and won’t play him either.
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Depends what you believe. Some press reports said he really wanted garnacho. it sure does not look like it.

 
Voted for, "afraid it does not really matter."

If Amorim is setting a new threshold for sacking, Maresca will keep his job for the next decade. 😅

 
No argument here with the bit in bold, its a completely different role at a club like Chelsea.
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Aye true for Gallardo, but also true for every name anyone has mentioned here, apart from the one guy mentioning Klopp who was clearly sniffing something if he thinks that would be on the cards.

Gallardo at least has managed at a highly intense pressurized environment, won big trophies as a player and manager and seems to get his teams playing the type of football people ask for.

With few and far names out there to come in, I'm just scrambling for options. Especially one that might be content coming in this side of Christmas.

 
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