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Conte said:
Our midfield pairing of enzo and caicedo cost 230M.

Let that sink in

Todd has fu**ed us 
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Well, Todd f**ked himself royally with a truly astonishing silly overspend on hugely overpriced unproven or nothing special players. Money down the drain.  If we do get relegated, he will have to sell the club at a staggering loss.

 
loz said:
It would  be utterly pointless replacing Poch. The next manager would be in the same position. Inheriting a disjointed squad with far too many bang average players.

I can't remotely agree with the claim its a squad of talented individuals. (Depending on the standard you are looking for).

Jackson, Broja, Mudryk, Cucurella, and Sanchez are a long way from talented if we are remotely ever interested in rebuilding to be a top 6 club. 

Sterling and Gallagher slightly better players but far too inconsistent.  

If we hadn't pissed so much money up the wall already I'd have seven of them at the exit door in the summer. However unfortunately we can't replace that number of players and we will get a pittance back for them
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I'd throw Enzo, Madueke, and DIsasi in there too.

 
Swerved said:
I'd throw Enzo, Madueke, and DIsasi in there too.
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I'm willing to give Enzo more time but do accept he is nowhere near living up to expectations. He has talent but isn't showing it. The ones I listed will never be good enough.

 
Missed nearly all the of match so I can’t even analyse the match properly but I’m not surprised we lost TBH.

We have the attacking talent of a team around 15th in the league, so that’s roughly where we’ll end up.

Unless the board do something about it in January.

We’ve got a team that would run away with the U23’s league IMO.

But promoting all of that U23’s team together,all at once, and expecting it to compete for a top 4 spot is the equivalent of what we’ve done.

Unbelievably naive from the board.

 
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loz said:
It would  be utterly pointless replacing Poch. The next manager would be in the same position. Inheriting a disjointed squad with far too many bang average players.

I can't remotely agree with the claim its a squad of talented individuals. (Depending on the standard you are looking for).

Jackson, Broja, Mudryk, Cucurella, and Sanchez are a long way from talented if we are remotely ever interested in rebuilding to be a top 6 club. 

Sterling and Gallagher slightly better players but far too inconsistent.  

If we hadn't pissed so much money up the wall already I'd have seven of them at the exit door in the summer. However unfortunately we can't replace that number of players and we will get a pittance back for them
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When you say bang average you mean bang average in our team. Most of the players we have bought are massive talents or already shown their level even though Young. Put each and every one into a functioning team and you know why we bought them for the money we did. 

This is why a master plan which has long terms goals is key. If Pochettino had 70% of the players available that were injured I feel we might be right up there in the CL spots. 

We can't force things short term.

 
Injuries have definitely derailed any plans and ideas Poch had, no doubt.

The thing that worries me is the lack of style on the pitch, despite the injuries. At least a certain structure should be visible, which sadly just isn’t there. 

It was not realistic to expect us to light the world ablaze immediately, but in 4 months we have not seen even a glimpse of an idea of how we want to play. 

Shame, really. Hope Poch manages to sort it out.

 
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dR3 said:
Injuries have definitely derailed any plans and ideas Poch had, no doubt.

The thing that worries me is the lack of style on the pitch, despite the injuries. At least a certain structure should be visible, which sadly just isn’t there. 

It was not realistic to expect us to light the world ablaze immediately, but in 4 months we have not seen even a glimpse of an idea of how we want to play. 

Shame, really. Hope Poch manages to sort it out.
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I think we have a pretty clear system. High pressing, high block, build from the back and have most of the possession. We just need consistency with players and results.

 
evissy said:
I think we have a pretty clear system. High pressing, high block, build from the back and have most of the possession. We just need consistency with players and results.
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But wouldn’t you agree that those terms too vague? Poch’s stamp is what’s missing, every manager implements these systems in their own way, which is what I meant by certain structure/idea. 

Yes we dominate possession and build from the back, but to me it looks like just going through the motions without a clear goal in mind. 

About the high press, we do not look like a unit at all when trying to win the ball back, it’s every man for himself at the moment. 

 
evissy said:
When you say bang average you mean bang average in our team. Most of the players we have bought are massive talents or already shown their level even though Young. Put each and every one into a functioning team and you know why we bought them for the money we did. 

This is why a master plan which has long terms goals is key. If Pochettino had 70% of the players available that were injured I feel we might be right up there in the CL spots. 

We can't force things short term.
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That's stretching it. Mudryk had scored a handful of goals in the Ukranian league. Jackson drifed around in Spain before Villareal were reach to punt him to Bournemouth for £20m.  We panic bought Enzo abd Caciedo for crazy money.. Cucurella ill admit  I rated at Brighton but we still massively over paid for him.

Let's face it we are up there with Chinese takeaways and carwash companies when it comes to suspect money laundering 

 
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loz said:
That's stretching it. Mudryk had scored a handful of goals in the Ukranian league. Jackson drifed around in Spain before Villareal were reach to punt him to Bournemouth for £20m.  We panic bought Enzo abd Caciedo for crazy money.. Cucurella ill admit  I rated at Brighton but we still massively over paid for him.

Let's face it we are up there with Chinese takeaways and carwash companies when it comes to suspect money laundering 
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I agree. You could maybe make the argument about Enzo, Cucurella and Caicedo. But the most of the rest have been bought for large sums on potential alone. Mudryk barely had a season for Shakhtar for example. Most of the South American players remind me of those that we used to sign back in Roman's days - Nathan, Kennedy etc. Maybe we will get lucky and 1 or 2 will work out, but basing the entire transfer policy around this strategy is lunacy. Even the resale value is questionable because if they don't become stars we are unlikely to even get the transfer fee back. 

 
For my money there were some bright spots today.

I actually thought the defence did quite well and looked mobile. Disasi and Badiashile were fine without Silva, the goals scored were not down to them and the distribution was ok although a bit laboured but I could excuse that for first time out. 

Mudryck also did ok, although its true the final ball could still be better, but he consistently created space and he and Cucurella worked well together

The problem was basically Broja and midfield. Enzo, Caicedo and Gallagher just aren't running the midfield, and particularly without the ball. Enzo does ok with the ball but he's obviously playing too far forward, he is so not an attacking midfielder. But his main problem is he's useless without the ball.  Gallagher doesn't do enough in attack either.   Palmer didn't look anything like  a winger he's always playing inside like a no 10, so all the attach was down the left or trying to get Broja into space down the right. Broja in this game was worse than Jackson.  We have a midfield that can't score goals, cant create much for the attack and the midfield is not much good defensively.

 
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ozboy said:
I actually thought the defence did quite well and looked mobile. Disasi and Badiashile were fine without Silva, the goals scored were not down to them and the distribution was ok although a bit laboured but I could excuse that for first time out. 
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The first goal was entirely on the defence. Badiashielle firstly loses his man in behind him, then after Sanchez makes the save, he just stands there instead of getting behind the keeper and onto the line, like quality defenders would have done. Disasi did his best go let their attackers in behind as well.

 
Well. The clown show rolls on. Whoever thought it was a good idea to go into this season with Jackson and Broja as our strike force needs to be sacked, especially once it became clear how serious Nkunku’s injury was. We’ve got a chance to rectify it in the coming window, but it’s all a bit late as the damage has already been done. 

 
Replace Poch Now and the reasons for doing it are

1 New ideas 

2 new backroom coaches that are not pochs family and are skilled in here field defence attack set piece  etc

3 Players are given a fresh outlook and a chance to play the position they are for

4 show the board how things should be done 

5 build a spine in the team something we dont have at present

 
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