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But he was referring to a BLACK player as a monkey. Not intentionally but he did indirectly.

 
More manager controversy today as Jose Mourinho referred to Fernando Torres as a striker..

Ouch.

 
JM7 said:
I love how he suggests having training on the subject. No doubt they'll be the first in line to submit their quote to provide it.

Feel sorry Roy being caught up in this but its the FA's fault for tying themselves up in daft policies and procedures.
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Its nothing to do with the FA, they have said they believe theres no case to answer and are right.

 
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But he was referring to a BLACK player as a monkey. Not intentionally but he did indirectly.
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Not in the slightest. He told a story that involved monkeys and it just happened that the players he was talking to were black. 

The fact that the word monkey can be used as a racial slur towards black people is irrelevant.

Hodgson wouldn't have used a different story if both players had been white and that's the point that appears to be lost on some. 

 
But it was extremely sloppy of him, he should know how sensitive some idiots are.

 
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But it was extremely sloppy of him, he should know how sensitive some idiots are.
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Not sloppy in the slightest, in his mind and of every sane person there was zero racial overtone to what he said. 

People trying to fault him for this are of the overly PC brigade that should do us all a favour and jump off the nearest bridge. 

 
ForeverCarefree said:
Not sloppy in the slightest, in his mind and of every sane person there was zero racial overtone to what he said. 

People trying to fault him for this are of the overly PC brigade that should do us all a favour and jump off the nearest bridge. 
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But that goes against the working definition of a racial incident, which is:

  "any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person".

It's irrelevant whether people who perceive the racial overtone are sane or insane. If they felt it was there, then, by the accepted definition, it is there.

So in light of that, the FA is in breach of its own guidelines by not investigating. I'm not saying they should, I'm just pointing out their own guidelines say they should.

 
So you think no one should be allowed to mention the word monkey if a black person is in earshot just in case he takes it the wrong way?

 
dkw said:
So you think no one should be allowed to mention the word monkey if a black person is in earshot just in case he takes it the wrong way?
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That appears to be one possible interpretation of current UK and FA guidelines on racist incidents.

 
No it isn't, you understand the word context right?

 
I'm out. If you truly believe that fa have done anything wrong then you need to get a grip. He told a story where if anything it showed the monkey to be of higher intelligence, it was told to make a point. There was nothing racial about it in any way, anyone taking it wrongly has done it vindictively. The whole thing is a f**king joke.

 
I truely think that the whole world is missing the point in this most current race row. How the f**k can they want equality when they keep forming these Black Only Groups for Sportsmen, musicians and even lawyers. But seeing ive added to this thread with atleast 4 posts i wont waste my brain power on it anymore. Now back to the Football.

 
i-like-to-munich said:
I truely think that the whole world is missing the point in this most current race row. How the f**k can they want equality when they keep forming these Black Only Groups for Sportsmen, musicians and even lawyers. But seeing ive added to this thread with atleast 4 posts i wont waste my brain power on it anymore. Now back to the Football.
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I'm starting up a group for white middle aged men, slightly overweight, with either grey hair or balding, who like beer and crisps! If I percieve that anyone is not treating me or anyone like me with equality then I'm going to stamp my feet, does anyone else want to be a member?

 
dkw said:
I'm out. If you truly believe that fa have done anything wrong then you need to get a grip. He told a story where if anything it showed the monkey to be of higher intelligence, it was told to make a point. There was nothing racial about it in any way, anyone taking it wrongly has done it vindictively. The whole thing is a f**king joke.
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You are missing my point. I am not advocating anything. I am pointing out the legally accepted definition of a racial incident. This came to light because someone supposedly took offence at his use of the NASA monkey joke.

That - under the law and FA guidelines as they stand - constitutes a racial incident. Anyone can state "there was nothing racial about it in any way" but that doesn't seem to matter. It is for the alleged victim and/ or the person who took offence to decide on any racial overtones. There is no mention of context. If it comes to court obviously it's for the magistrate or jury to decide whether the allegation stands up, so they do have the ability to take context into account.

As I understand it, the person who supposedly took offence has made no formal complaint about the incident, so there is nowhere for the investigation to go. If they had complained, then obviously the FA would have had to act, which would have made for a very awkward situation. It seems more likely that this was just a mischief-maker (as you said, someone acting vindictively) who wasn't really offended and just wanted to create a story and embarrass Hodgson.

 
If we're going to throw legal phrases into this then the the 'complainant' will need to prove the 'mens rea', which is the intent to break the law.

Do we honestly believe that Hodgson intended to racially abuse Andros Townsend?? I don't think so.

 
Thank you backbiter. My point exactly is that the FA have tied themselves up in daft policies where context is irrelevant.

 
Huttsey said:
If we're going to throw legal phrases into this then the the 'complainant' will need to prove the 'mens rea', which is the intent to break the law.

Do we honestly believe that Hodgson intended to racially abuse Andros Townsend?? I don't think so.
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Possibly. It still doesn't stop the person being "offended" and making a complaint.

 
shedpensioner said:
I'm starting up a group for white middle aged men, slightly overweight, with either grey hair or balding, who like beer and crisps! If I percieve that anyone is not treating me or anyone like me with equality then I'm going to stamp my feet, does anyone else want to be a member?
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If we get a badge, membership card and a car sticker, count me in...Edit: and a plastic wallet for the membership card!

 
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