Ian Maatsen

I find it amusing how certain posters "fail" to appreciate the difference between trying to fit Maatsen into an already small and aerially suspect Chelsea team vs playing him in the team of giants that Dortmund have. I guess logic takes a back seat when the desire is simply to have another stick with which to beat the ex-Tottenham manager LOL. 

 
started in the Champions league final, now signing for a club with champions league football..:.

Not good enough for a game in his actual position at chelsea 😂🤯
I mean if we're going down this route Jose Bosingwa, Lloris Karius, Emannuel Eboue and Djimi Traore were "good enough" to start a Champions League final.

You've also multiple times (rightly) pointed out that our last UCL winning squad was far from our best ever.

 
I mean if we're going down this route Jose Bosingwa, Lloris Karius, Emannuel Eboue and Djimi Traore were "good enough" to start a Champions League final.

You've also multiple times (rightly) pointed out that our last UCL winning squad was far from our best ever.
fair point - but I do maintain that he was good enough for a chance with us.

 
fair point - but I do maintain that he was good enough for a chance with us.
He absolutely was good enough to be given a run of games, especially as it was at a time Chilwell was out injured, Cucurella was also injured and massively out of form and Colwell was struggling. Was preposterous that the cretinous poch played him at right midfield/wide right. 

 
Another young player we're paying massively over the odds for in the hope we might make a few million profit in a few years.
If Maatsen was not included, the fee would be a lot less. It is basically a way to help both clubs pass the profit and sustainability rules. This is where the rules need to be changed. The more they threaten clubs with sanctions, teams will find ways around it. 

 
Another young player we're paying massively over the odds for in the hope we might make a few million profit in a few years.
I don’t see this working out. He is valued at £1m & we have paid £19m for him. Chukwuemeka who we paid £20m for 2 seasons ago is struggling for consistent game time he needs to develop, and if we put him up for sale presently we might not even get any interest at £20m. 

 
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So we've effectively sold Maatsen for £18m........

Why not just sell him to a club that is willing to pay a good price for him? 
To be honest though, if we'd signed a promising youth international on a free transfer and got £18.5m for Maatsen, we'd probably think that was a good deal on both counts, and that's effectively where we are here.

£18.5m for Maatsen is excellent in itself, in the context of £15m for RLC, £5m for CHO, £17m for Koulibaly, £16m for Mendy, £17.1m for Pulisic, £7m for Ampadu ... etc etc etc 

 
To be honest though, if we'd signed a promising youth international on a free transfer and got £18.5m for Maatsen, we'd probably think that was a good deal on both counts, and that's effectively where we are here.

£18.5m for Maatsen is excellent in itself, in the context of £15m for RLC, £5m for CHO, £17m for Koulibaly, £16m for Mendy, £17.1m for Pulisic, £7m for Ampadu ... etc etc etc 
I think the situation is different though. Loftus-Cheek and Hudson Odoi's careers had stalled, it was very hard to get any more than we did for them. Koulibaly and Mendy is Saudi crazy money, Ampadu is barely Premier League level and Pulisic had also fallen off.

Maatsen has impressed with Dortmund and just played in a Champions League final. I don't see why we couldn't get £30m for him from somewhere else without helping another club by taking one of their players. If it was us trying to sign Maatsen, they would probably demand £40+m.

 
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I think the situation is different though. Loftus-Cheek and Hudson Odoi's careers had stalled, it was very hard to get any more than we did for them. Koulibaly and Mendy is Saudi crazy money, Ampadu is barely Premier League level and Pulisic had also fallen off.

Maatsen has impressed with Dortmund and just played in a Champions League final. I don't see why we couldn't get £30m for him from somewhere else without helping another club by taking one of their players. If it was us trying to sign Maatsen, they would probably demand £40+m.
I think the "playing in a Champions League Final" thing is being very overplayed in terms of where his value is ...

We didn't get a huge fee for Ryan Bertrand and he won the bloody thing LOL.

 
I think the "playing in a Champions League Final" thing is being very overplayed in terms of where his value is ...

We didn't get a huge fee for Ryan Bertrand and he won the bloody thing LOL.
It wasn't just that he played in the Champions League final for them, he was a key player for them. 

Like I said, if that was us trying to sign Maatsen, he would have almost certainly cost us over £40m.

 
It wasn't just that he played in the Champions League final for them, he was a key player for them. 

Like I said, if that was us trying to sign Maatsen, he would have almost certainly cost us over £40m.
A key player who they had a massive opportunity to sign ... but didn't ... 🙂 

 
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